Is it better with your atf or with a new girl

[Franco2332]

The rush of seing a new sp and having a hot session is way more rewarding than seeing the same sp week after week.
But having a ATF is great because you build a chemistry and the encounter flow better.
I think the best is to keep a ATF but don't see her everytime , see other sp in between.
Even if you Don't see after many months , the chemistry will last.

 

[Fradi]

I have had the same ATF for three years now.
Still as gorgeous and amazing as the first time I met her.
That doesn’t mean I won’t see others but I will not stop seeing her as long as she is available.

 

[No_Church_InThe_Wild]

A couple of guys who are regulars on MERB have had new ATFs every month. I call these guys Flavor of the Month hobbyists. People read their reviews and see the ATF branding and think it's special, but don't know that there were 20 other ATFs before the current one. Enough with that BS. The term is overused and completely diluted.

New girl.

ATF’s will always be worth their weight in Gold ...yes it’s great if you’ve got some balance and once in a while incorporate new girls ... but the quality out there will be lacking and you will end up plenty of times disappointed... there is a reason after all why a lot of the top service providers have a LOT of regulars who call them their ATF’s ... reason being they are made from a different cloth and are simply the best at what they do ,,, so who in their right mind would go looking for something that’s inferior... well I suppose the ones who can’t see them consistently or simply put do not have access to these wonderful ladies for XY reasons ....... again we are all different and I’m not against variety when the quality is there , but unfortunately it just isn’t .... if anything trying new girls in this pastime and having plenty of mediocre and so so experiences has made me realize their value and appreciate them even more , because it’s like they say what’s the beauty in light absent in darkness?! ....... of course the industry needs to spread the wealth otherwise it will not function,,, and if that happens everyone loses so a good rotation from time to time will benefit everybody ...... whenever I hear a veteran hobbyist say ATF’s are overrated , I say their full of it ....

 

[EagerBeaver]

whenever I hear a veteran hobbyist say ATF’s are overrated , I say their full of it ....

If they say ATF describing a new ATF every month and you are not aware of the 20 prior ATF girls, they are full of it. That was the point of my post. There are such veteran hobbyists on MERB.

 

[TheBlob]

In most of my encounters I get bored by the third encounter. There were times where I got bored during the second encounter which I dread the most.

In my case it's not that i get bored, but routine is installing by the third one, most of times. If the girl has a work pattern, you can clearly see it by then.

Also, i think the sense of novelty is what drives me in this hobby. I find the idea of meeting attractive young women, see them naked and having sex with them for the first time one of the most satisfying thing for me.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Also, i think the sense of novelty is what drives me in this hobby. I find the idea of meeting attractive young women, see them naked and having sex with them for the first time one of the most satisfying thing for me.

I agree with the sense of novelty theory. It also comes into play with some Seeking Arrangement girls I have seen whom I have not had sex with until the 2nd, 3rd or 4th date, and sometimes after that the novelty wears off. While there are some ladies I have seen in Montreal as many as 8-9 times, in some of those cases it was because I hoped mileage would improve over time and in most cases it did. With ladies I saw that many times, a couple eventually left the business (as is inevitable), one went back to Europe where she came from, and then you are forced to see other ladies anyway.

The "ATF" school of hobby philosophy often ignores that most ladies will eventually leave the business. A few guys cling to the fantasy that they will continue to be regulars after she retires. Then when they find out that this fantasy was just that, a fantasy, which was not rooted in reality, they are jolted very harshly back into reality and forced to see someone else. This slap of cold water in the face is hard for some to take. How many silly threads have we seen started by guys who were looking for their ATF, thinking she was working somewhere else, but just not accepting the reality of the end? It's the clingy and needy guys that usually fit into this mold of having an ATF and never wanting to let go. And in many cases the ATF dumps them because they are too clingy and needy. I remember an agency SP telling me that one client saw her 7 days in a row every day, and she asked the agency owner to cut the client off because she believed he was falling in love or too clingy/needy. Dude was cut off.

 

[Franco2332]

I agree with the sense of novelty theory. It also comes into play with some Seeking Arrangement girls I have seen whom I have not had sex with until the 2nd, 3rd or 4th date, and sometimes after that the novelty wears off. While there are some ladies I have seen in Montreal as many as 8-9 times, in some of those cases it was because I hoped mileage would improve over time and in most cases it did. With ladies I saw that many times, a couple eventually left the business (as is inevitable), one went back to Europe where she came from, and then you are forced to see other ladies anyway.

The "ATF" school of hobby philosophy often ignores that most ladies will eventually leave the business. A few guys cling to the fantasy that they will continue to be regulars after she retires. Then when they find out that this fantasy was just that, a fantasy, which was not rooted in reality, they are jolted very harshly back into reality and forced to see someone else. This slap of cold water in the face is hard for some to take. How many silly threads have we seen started by guys who were looking for their ATF, thinking she was working somewhere else, but just not accepting the reality of the end? It's the clingy and needy guys that usually fit into this mold of having an ATF and never wanting to let go. And in many cases the ATF dumps them because they are too clingy and needy. I remember an agency SP telling me that one client saw her 7 days in a row every day, and she asked the agency owner to cut the client off because she believed he was falling in love or too clingy/needy. Dude was cut off.

Yeaa I saw that happen many times... Especially in strip clubs, guys will come week after week thinking that you got a "special attention"
That's why I think it's better to not overdo the "ATF"

 

[The Real MVP]

Nice thread I agree from OP @Flyingby .

I have several ATFs too (I might say 3).

But yeah, when I meet a new girl, there is this excitement and build-up you'll never be able to reproduce afterwards. But it's so risky today, lots of beautiful and sexy girls but for what level of service? I remember former SPs who were in it for the money sure, but really cattered to a level of service. A lot of girls today are so money hungry, it's disgusting. Be more classy. And you don't want to throw your money around and end up disappointed thinking about what you missed not booking your ATF this particular time.

Truth is ATFs have what we call a competitive advantage. Unfair or not? You decide. But to me, it's natural because they earned it. You "know" the minimum level of service you'll get with her. And this minimum satisfies you. It's just aiming for the ceiling from there. I don't know for you guys who said that she doesn't put effort after the 2nd, 3rd or 4th meeting. I can understand. That's typical with women. But we can redirect them. I wouldn't accept that. Be straight up, tell them. "It was better last time, or you talk too much, or you were not 100% here". Just say it. They will be taken apart, yeah but women respect deep down a guy who stands up for himself in front of the BS and call it out.

In my personal experience, it gets better with my ATFs. It went to the point where we do things she wouldn't let me do after our 2nd or 3rd meetings . In the heat of the moment, she just says "F"ck it" and boom it happens. I'm talking about real real stuff you do with people you trust. You may think you're "lucky" it happened but nope. You "built" it.

At the end of the day, it depends on what you're looking for in this hobby. I'm looking for fantasy. I don't agree with the statement "Take a girlfriend if you wanna have ATFs and all that". Girlfriends, serious relationships, wives have a different purpose. Don't be a Simp to no women but still you can have the best bangs with ATFs who know you, who learnt what you like and know how to give it to you crazier.

P.S: Always keep feelings out of it. She's not your girl, never been.

 

[The Real MVP]

I forgot one point: I always have 30% of my budget allocated to discovering new prospects. To become an ATF, we got to meet them first right? So to keep my rotation on point and avoid any surprises (a retiring ATF, unavailability, etc), I permanently look for new talents who would fit my tastes. Lots of misses like everybody else. But the ones you find are very rewarding.

 

[Fradi]

I think all ATF will eventually leave the business for one reason or another.
The odd one may end up having a friend relationship later but the majority will just disappear and start a completely different lifestyle.
Being clingy is never to your advantage in any kind of relationship.
Losing an ATF that you have a special relationship with may not be easy but it is part of life, you lose loved ones all through your life, parents, spouses, friends, one of the worst is losing a child, so it should not be a life changing event losing an ATF.
I would love to have a relationship as a friend after she quits the business, she is gorgeous and an extremely kind and considerate person it would be fabulous to maintain a friendship with her, that of course is her choice.
She deserves someone her age to come along and make her happy and her dreams come true or just to be successful and happy in some other profession.

 

[Romeo99]

So far I've been seeing my ATFS many times, it gets better every time! We both know what we like and somehow it's no more client/provider service, it became more like 2 good friends having a good time together.

 

[Robichouuu]

I think all ATF will eventually leave the business for one reason or another.
The odd one may end up having a friend relationship later but the majority will just disappear and start a completely different lifestyle.
Being clingy is never to your advantage in any kind of relationship.
Losing an ATF that you have a special relationship with may not be easy but it is part of life, you lose loved ones all through your life, parents, spouses, friends, one of the worst is losing a child, so it should not be a life changing event losing an ATF.
I would love to have a relationship as a friend after she quits the business, she is gorgeous and an extremely kind and considerate person it would be fabulous to maintain a friendship with her, that of course is her choice.
She deserves someone her age to come along and make her happy and her dreams come true or just to be successful and happy in some other profession.

I agree with you 100% on this, losing a ATF is hard, I have and we maintain a friendship, via chat once in a while. Maybe one day this too will stop when she meets the right person. I will be happy for her. So I think its good idea to have more than one gal in the case they move on. Even thou you may have the best time with them, everything comes to a end eventually.

 

[Fradi]

P.S: Always keep feelings out of it. She's not your girl, never been.

She may not be your girl but I think you do develop feelings for your ATF.
I am not ashamed of it, I look forward to seeing her every time, she has been amazing to me from the first time I met her.
It is hard to describe, it is not like for a wife or even a girlfriend, there is always that knowledge that it is a money arrangement but that does not mean that we don’t go out of our way to be nice to each other.
When you see someone quite often for a long period of time it is almost impossible to not develop some kind of feelings or a close bond with someone, I guess people here call it chemistry, I prefer it to be more of a friendship.
I know most people here will say it over and over again that they are only in it for one thing $$$, which obviously is part of it but they are women and human beings like all others and they are not without feelings, if you cannot tell the difference then maybe you should be seeing less of her.

 

[The Real MVP]

She may not be your girl but I think you do develop feelings for your ATF.
I am not ashamed of it, I look forward to seeing her every time, she has been amazing to me from the first time I met her.
It is hard to describe, it is not like for a wife or even a girlfriend, there is always that knowledge that it is a money arrangement but that does not mean that we don’t go out of our way to be nice to each other.
When you see someone quite often for a long period of time it is almost impossible to not develop some kind of feelings or a close bond with someone, I guess people here call it chemistry, I prefer it to be more of a friendship.
I know most people here will say it over and over again that they are only in it for one thing $$$, which obviously is part of it but they are women and human beings like all others and they are not without feelings, if you cannot tell the difference then maybe you should be seeing less of her.

I agree with that actually. I wanted to say that it's better to avoid trying to cross that line. Because for sure we're human beings. So no way you will see somebody that many times and share this intimacy and chemistry and expect to not see her in a light going way beyond "just sex". You can catch feelings. Yes. No shame about it. Let's be clear. And trust me, despite their talk about not being involved and just offering a service, etc... They sometimes do too with some clients. It really happens as you may know. But this topic has been so discussed that we can agree that we reached some kind of a general agreement that it ends up most of the time not as good as we expected when we try to go further.

So I wanted to emphasize that no matter how you feel about her and her about you, you should never forget the circumstances of both of you coming across each other. An exchange. Best case scenario is letting her opening up to you first and cross that line first. You get to see how genuine she is. But on our side? I don't think it's worth it in the long run. There are always exceptions though.

 

[Fradi]

^^^^^^
I have always been a realist all my life.
Her being my ATF suits me perfectly, with the age difference between us there is no need to even think of anything more than what it is now. It would be totally unfair to her, now if I was much younger this lady would be in serious trouble.
She has become one of the nicest surprises that I was not expecting and knowing her made this whole virus situation way easier to cope with.
Even if it ends with her disappearing one day and starting a new life, I would do it all over again in a heart beat, she has made a difference when I needed it most, and I will always be grateful and remember all the fabulous times I spent in her company.
Money after all is made to be spent for you to be happy.

 

[sene5hos]

Please

Summary of pros and cons?

Thank you

 

[Bbw hunter]

Please

Summary of pros and cons?

Thank you

ATF
Pros: The sex gets hotter with subsequent visits as you get more comfortable with each other and the novelty is still there.
However...

Cons: At some point the hot sex levels off as she starts getting too comfortable and may take you for granted. She knows you are in lust with her, she has you and may no longer feel the need to put as much effort in. Besides, your average horn dog will crave variety.
Therefore...

NEW GIRL
Pros: As Van Halen once said: EVERYBODY WANTS SOME. Just ask your buddy Trump. Nothing beats the thrill of the hunt. Nothing beats the heat and excitement of undressing and having sex with a sexy cutie for the first time. The only thing that comes close is being drunk on Jack Daniel's...and even that's not that close.
And yet....

Cons: It's a risk...duh. Even with good reviews. They may stack the deck in your favor but can also lead to inflated expectations and then a letdown. Chemistry can be a fickle bitch. And if you go in blind based on pix alone...well just take the hh and lots of luck to you.

You're Welcome.

 

[DrJ_TheGhost]

Good summary BBW hunter. To add to the cons I have experienced, besides not putting in any effort in the encounter, there is also the hygiene issue where they are not freshly showered or it has been a few hours since they showered. It happens gradually where it gets worse after each visit. I usually stop at the second time the session is bad.

 

[sene5hos]

Another question I ask myself: when your ATF goes on vacation or to travel for work, are you going to meet another SP?

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Personnaly an ATF is by no mean a girl that I meet exclusively, that would be way too restrictive for me. There is too many hot women out there! I do have a few ATFs, they are the girls I can have nice conversation and connection with, on top of knowing what we both like, sexually speaking. But I am not one to overlook other experiences or opportunities.