Is the GT era really gone?

[Halloween Mike]

I know GTs have their risks for both clients and SPs and i know an agency that get good business have no reason to do one.

And funny enough i was the first to say there was too many in the 2010s. One every 2 months was overkill. I think at one point they were done more out of financial reasons than anything else.

Anyway... Past is past.

I do miss the core concept tough. I think it could be fun to have one a year in the summer .

I think agencies working together to bring a few girls (the ones comfortable with the concept) along the indies would be fun .

Am i delusional?

 

[DetectiveDavidMills]

Well, April Killian organizes social GT's from time to time, those gts are very limited i think

 

[Rosie Sparkles]

Honestly when I organized a GT I got so much complaint about entitled people and providers not having exactly what they wanted that it killed my motivation. But yes, April organized a few in the last few years. Have you been ?

 

[jason2221]

I never had the chance to attend one but would like to. Someone who knows all the agency owners well would have to bring them together

 

[EagerBeaver]

I do miss the core concept tough. I think it could be fun to have one a year in the summer .

I do miss the industry parties of the past which you mentioned. I can even remember you performing security services at one of them, catching a lurker who was spying on a party at the Hotel Lord Berri, and telling him to get lost while delivering a swift kick to his ass. Your heroism and faithfulness to your duties hasn't been forgotten by the masses.

However, they are just fond memories at this time, much like the hotels they were held in, HDLM and Lord Berri, which have since gotten the wrecking ball. I think you need the right sort of person with the right energy and personality. You need someone with genuine charisma. Asking someone to do that now, for nothing in return, is just not likely to happen with the right person. Which is why I believe that whatever money Iggy made on the parties, he deserved every penny of it.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Honestly when I organized a GT I got so much complaint about entitled people and providers not having exactly what they wanted that it killed my motivation. But yes, April organized a few in the last few years. Have you been ?

No. I am not in April's good graces i think. Just an argument on Twitter, nothing major, but enough that she would never think of inviting me. Of course i don't want to speak for her, but considering she had blocked me, pretty safe to assume. You also have me blocked. I do recognize i may have been a bit too direct in the past on there, and i don't want to derail my own thread, but lets just say it was not "just me".

I do miss the industry parties of the past which you mentioned. I can even remember you performing security services at one of them, catching a lurker who was spying on a party at the Hotel Lord Berri, and telling him to get lost while delivering a swift kick to his ass. Your heroism and faithfulness to your duties hasn't been forgotten by the masses.

However, they are just fond memories at this time, much like the hotels they were held in, HDLM and Lord Berri, which have since gotten the wrecking ball. I think you need the right sort of person with the right energy and personality. You need someone with genuine charisma. Asking someone to do that now, for nothing in return, is just not likely to happen with the right person. Which is why I believe that whatever money Iggy made on the parties, he deserved every penny of it.

Haha actually i never got physical with anyone at the parties as "security". I do recall this incident and i just talked to the guy. Once i did, he moved on. I couldn't stop him from "lurking" from a few feet farther or across the street, as its public ... but he was getting too close to the Berri's terasse. The bar was closed to the public or other clients so i think this was fair to ask him to not be on the property. I can understand him being attracked by the women, and them (as well as clients) being incomfortable with a "civilian" lurking tough. I just did what seem apropriate on the spot. Overall everyone was very respectful at these events. I know behind the scene there was trouble, but at the events itself i never had any issue. My "job" was mostly just to watch no civilians would get inside and of course if one of the woman had issues with an attendees, she could come up to me and i would have speak to him, but it never happened.

I didn't know the Berri got axed? Dang. I slept a few times there and received guesses as well. But it was more expensive than my usual places so once i found a cheaper place that i could use as backup i didn't anymore. Actually googling it, it seem that it simply changed name to be Marriot Fairfield Inn. But i just looked fast.

And i do agree there was a lot of work put into these so i do think its only fair the man/men behind get some money out of it for the work they put it. I don't know all the drama that happened, i just been told some by other guys, but it seem that it was more than just financials. Personally i always have been on good terms with Iggy and i did joined some "outside events" with him a few times, but i wasn't in his "super close circle" either.

I missed some GTs because i did feel they were happening maybe a bit too often (like once every 2 months at some point) and i didn't even have the time to see 2-3 new providers i added to my list before the next one. But i do think it would had been cool to have 1 every year or maybe 1 every 6 months. I miss Iggy himself too. I heard reasons why he disapeared and i understand.

Personally i will always say it, the Unicorn party at the house (witch Iggy and Mtl GFE co-organized) was the best party of them all. Even without some ladies working that night it would had been. I mean it totally felt like a party out of American Pie. Loud music was present on top floor but we also could set down in the stairs or on the other floor and talk quietly. The "all in entrance fee" was also the best formula imo (exept maybe a BYOB setting like GG2). I mean we did gave tips to the barmaids but it was a lot easier to simply go grab a beer or 2 and not have to bother with payments everytime. I just had a bunch of 2$ in my pockets and gave one when i got to pick beers.

Guess list was also probably the best of them all. Unicorn ladies were there, Mtl GFE had some, lots of indies and even other agency girls dropped by a little bit. I remember how star struck i was by Erika Delarose. So happy i got to meet her not long after. She is retired now.

If such party was to be organised again, i think renting a house would likely be the best way to do it, but i don't know if it could be done financially and of course there is always the neighbors/police issue. And if you rent something outside of the city, then its complicated for guess to go. But im sure Montreal have some venues where you can rent the place and have your own event. If its a BYOB set up, i don't think its illegal... But of course it mean less profit for organizers. Does a higher entry fee would be ok for guest if they bring their own alcohol? All details that would need to be considered.

But the bigger puzzle part is of course the ladies that would attend. Getting agency on board wouldn't be easy. Actually i see no reason for most of them to do, as they are always fully booked (or close), I supose some ladies would enjoy it for the kick of it itself, but financially its obviously a lot better to just work that night ...

 

[EagerBeaver]

Haha actually i never got physical with anyone at the parties as "security". I do recall this incident and i just talked to the guy. Once i did, he moved on. I couldn't stop him from "lurking" from a few feet farther or across the street, as its public ... but he was getting too close to the Berri's terasse. The bar was closed to the public or other clients so i think this was fair to ask him to not be on the property. I can understand him being attracked by the women, and them (as well as clients) being incomfortable with a "civilian" lurking tough. I just did what seem apropriate on the spot. Overall everyone was very respectful at these events. I know behind the scene there was trouble, but at the events itself i never had any issue. My "job" was mostly just to watch no civilians would get inside and of course if one of the woman had issues with an attendees, she could come up to me and i would have speak to him, but it never happened.

I am guessing that I attended 15 or so agency parties and MERB GTs between 2005 and 2019, including a few that were very private and not publicized. This was one of the very few "incidents" I can recall at any of the GTs, if in fact you even want to call it that. I think most people who attended were remarkably well behaved and even some people who didn't particularly like each other were able to put aside whatever differences existed and act like mature adults for the evening.

I do recall a couple of other "incidents" also involving lurkers at the Lord Berri and HDLM parties. One was at a Lord Berri party. I think you were there, but can't remember. We all got there pretty early. To help set up. And there were some young guys (civilians) there who noticed the escorts walking in and one of them approached Iggy and I and I think maybe JoeT and I forget the handle of the guy but I think it was Reverie? Anyway the young guy said, "hey what's going on here????" And I could kind of tell he sensed this was some kind of escort party and wanted in on the action. And I can't remember whether it was Iggy or Reverie or JoeT but someone cooked up a story that was bullshit and managed to get rid of these young, curious lurkers. There was also an HDLM party where something similar happened. And I also remember someone asking me at one of the parties at HDLM, "how do I know the difference between the escorts and the regular civilian women?" And I told him that you kind of need to figure it out, and there was a chance that he would. And you have to remember at those HDLM parties, which were before your time, there was no segregation between the "party proper" and the rest of the piano bar lobby, where many people came looking for action totally apart from the parties. In fact one of my older American friends was attacked by a Cougar at that same HDLM lobby, and I basically had to "rescue" him from that situation.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I am guessing that I attended 15 or so agency parties and MERB GTs between 2005 and 2019, including a few that were very private and not publicized.

Yeah i started to see escorts in 2009 and i attended my first GT in 2012, wich was at the sports bar near the Amazones strip club. I think it was call PJs Pub. There was 2 of them and after it was GG2 for me (i missed GG1 wich was much smaller from what i heard). We had a couple tables and some indies attended, but it was smaller compare to later parties. And the guy you were searching for the name was Reverdy. Thing is he had a very high profil job and at some point i think he feared to be outed when there was behind the scene trouble. He completely disapeared from the board like Iggy. I wouldn't be surprise he would still lurk and see escorts lol, but he stopped being involved in anything else. Him, Joe T and Iggy were pretty much the "3 musketeers" in charge.

I know there been some private GTs for small groups. I myself met a few members socially a few years ago. But these are often more of a "private thing". Personally i would be down to do some small GTs again but of course it would need to fit when i am in Montreal. Usually i use some trips plan in advance for comiccon, music shows or whatever so it would be possible. If anyone is interested you can always hit me up. I doubt any escorts would be interest by this tough unless she is paid an hour of work So it would be boys only.

 

[Steely Dan]

Yup really miss the GT s. Attended maybe ten or so during the Iggy days.Really a lot of fun! And yes HM the one at the house was epic!

 

[urquell]

I suppose it depends on what you want to get out of a GT. I think the current landscape argues against having very many of them here anymore, at least in the format that they had before. There seems to be less incentive for the ladies than there used to be to do them. I suppose it all depends what the focus of the GTs are too, whether the allure is to cluster together a bunch of girls or whether it's really to get like-minded guys together. Either one of these would probably be easy to do on its own, but there are logistics hurdles to be overcome by having both come together, and as previously mentioned it takes someone with the charm and the will to put it together. It can be a thankless job. lol.

I hate to sound like a broken record on this, but if it's the social aspects that are important then the obvious solution is to travel. Parties with groups of mongers and girls happen every day all over the place, and in many places the girls don't require any guarantee other than free drinks and some focused access to a closed group of horny guys. No cash up front, other than to secure some space, which may just be a hotel suite that someone is staying in. They guys aren't shy around each other and don't have to be discreet about what they're doing, so it's very festive. Usually everyone has fun, and it lasts for as long as everyone wants it to last.

Of course, if the objective is to secure inroads into a local group of providers and to do some window shopping then of course it has to be done locally, but there are far more barriers and people are much less incentivized than they used to be because of the awkwardness and the rising costs. The structure is also usually more rigid. I would never agree to do something like that myself in Montreal and have nothing but admiration for the fortitude of someone who would. I'd still go to some of them though.

 

[Doc Holliday]

However, they are just fond memories at this time, much like the hotels they were held in, HDLM and Lord Berri, which have since gotten the wrecking ball.

The Lord Berri is now called the Fairfield by Marriott. It was not taken down by the wrecking ball. It was completely renovated after it was taken over by Marriott. I nearly stayed there last summer but got a better deal at the Doubletree. As for the HDLM (my atf hotel) it was indeed torn down & the great Four Seasons Hotel was built on that lot. Too bad the prices to stay there are not even close to what it cost to stay at the old place. I think it’s the most expemsive hotel to stay at in Mtl. I stayed there once last year & wouldn’t hesitate to stay there again of not for the cost.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The Lord Berri was kind of a crappy hotel. I stayed there once in 2002 or 2003 and I wasn't impressed with it. However, its layout and location near the Berri Metro Station made it an ideal venue for the parties. That and the hotel management played ball with Iggy and looked the other way on what they knew was going on. I can remember that at one of the GTs they even supplied food, mostly apps as I recall, for the party attendees.

 

[Jordd]

I know GTs have their risks for both clients and SPs and i know an agency that get good business have no reason to do one.

And funny enough i was the first to say there was too many in the 2010s. One every 2 months was overkill. I think at one point they were done more out of financial reasons than anything else.

Anyway... Past is past.

I do miss the core concept tough. I think it could be fun to have one a year in the summer .

I think agencies working together to bring a few girls (the ones comfortable with the concept) along the indies would be fun .

Am i delusional?

I suppose it depends on what you want to get out of a GT. I think the current landscape argues against having very many of them here anymore, at least in the format that they had before. There seems to be less incentive for the ladies than there used to be to do them. I suppose it all depends what the focus of the GTs are too, whether the allure is to cluster together a bunch of girls or whether it's really to get like-minded guys together. Either one of these would probably be easy to do on its own, but there are logistics hurdles to be overcome by having both come together, and as previously mentioned it takes someone with the charm and the will to put it together. It can be a thankless job. lol.

I hate to sound like a broken record on this, but if it's the social aspects that are important then the obvious solution is to travel. Parties with groups of mongers and girls happen every day all over the place, and in many places the girls don't require any guarantee other than free drinks and some focused access to a closed group of horny guys. No cash up front, other than to secure some space, which may just be a hotel suite that someone is staying in. They guys aren't shy around each other and don't have to be discreet about what they're doing, so it's very festive. Usually everyone has fun, and it lasts for as long as everyone wants it to last.

Of course, if the objective is to secure inroads into a local group of providers and to do some window shopping then of course it has to be done locally, but there are far more barriers and people are much less incentivized than they used to be because of the awkwardness and the rising costs. The structure is also usually more rigid. I would never agree to do something like that myself in Montreal and have nothing but admiration for the fortitude of someone who would. I'd still go to some of them though.

Yes, I think it’s gone for many of the reasons mentioned above. Unfortunately I never attended, but do vaguely remember posts about some of the last GTs that took place when I joined the forum.

As far as agencies go, there has to be a financial incentive. But they seem busy enough to not need it. I doubt multiple agencies would join because of the competition but we can dream! Indy’s would be more likely to participate for marketing purposes. Either way it can’t hurt business for Indy’s or agencies.

I really think the idea should just be to have a fun party for everyone ‘s enjoyment - clients and providers. It would be great to have get togethers in a hotel lobby, as before. But will it happen without a direct financial incentive? Doubtful.

April Killian organizes such events. I went to one and it was great. It was in a bar so you pay for your drinks. Clients pay an entree fee and providers receive an attendance fee. It was a chill, fun and friendly vibe. Very inclusive. Nice people. Met several providers I wanted to meet and others I hadn’t heard of before.

Agree with you that once or twice per year would be a good start. Timing around specific holidays or events would be convenient. Halloween’s always fun. Xmas party anyone?

 

[Halloween Mike]

I suppose it depends on what you want to get out of a GT. I think the current landscape argues against having very many of them here anymore, at least in the format that they had before. There seems to be less incentive for the ladies than there used to be to do them. I suppose it all depends what the focus of the GTs are too, whether the allure is to cluster together a bunch of girls or whether it's really to get like-minded guys together.

I hate to sound like a broken record on this, but if it's the social aspects that are important then the obvious solution is to travel. Parties with groups of mongers and girls happen every day all over the place, and in many places the girls don't require any guarantee other than free drinks and some focused access to a closed group of horny guys. No cash up front, other than to secure some space, which may just be a hotel suite that someone is staying in. They guys aren't shy around each other and don't have to be discreet about what they're doing, so it's very festive. Usually everyone has fun, and it lasts for as long as everyone wants it to last.

Im not sure about what you mention.

Well the idea of a boy only GT is not bad per say. Of course no entry fee but just boys getting to know each other and sharing experiences in a more "closed environement". I know we can technically do it over internet but the concept of real life is more intimate and trust worthy. Could be fun too to just have a drink, maybe play some pools... I dunno. Maybe i just need friends .

The traveling part i don't get. If you travel with escorts they do expect their time to be paid for. Can't just pay for drinks/travel fees.

If you mean boys getting on some trips to europe and meeting escorts there... Well that sound cool but out of my budget personally .

I do agree escorts need incentives to attend parties but there is no way imo we can match a full night of work...

Even at 100 $ per guess for 50 guest, 5000 is what would be made and im not counting anything else (venue etc). Average escort in agency likely make 200 (once agency fee are removed) per hour and lets say she work 6h... 1200$ in a night. 5 escorts and we bust this....

Of course there is no way to match a night of work...

 

[urquell]

Im not sure about what you mention.

Well the idea of a boy only GT is not bad per say. Of course no entry fee but just boys getting to know each other and sharing experiences in a more "closed environement". I know we can technically do it over internet but the concept of real life is more intimate and trust worthy. Could be fun too to just have a drink, maybe play some pools... I dunno. Maybe i just need friends .

The traveling part i don't get. If you travel with escorts they do expect their time to be paid for. Can't just pay for drinks/travel fees.

If you mean boys getting on some trips to europe and meeting escorts there... Well that sound cool but out of my budget personally .

I do agree escorts need incentives to attend parties but there is no way imo we can match a full night of work...

Even at 100 $ per guess for 50 guest, 5000 is what would be made and im not counting anything else (venue etc). Average escort in agency likely make 200 (once agency fee are removed) per hour and lets say she work 6h... 1200$ in a night. 5 escorts and we bust this....

Of course there is no way to match a night of work...

You misunderstand me, or perhaps I didn't express myself well. The idea of a GT always usually involves men and women together. However, mongering is a somewhat solitary and lonely undertaking, except online, at least here in North America. A lot of guys are starved for people with whom they can share their pastime freely and comfortably. When you travel abroad in may places everything is out in the open, ther eare clubs and hotels that only have mongers and working girls in them, whole city arears dedicated to it and where you could belly up to a bar and be surrounded by like-minded bros. For some men the idea of simply being able to be in an environment where they don't have to hide and can talk freely with other guys about their passion is really liberating, and is almost as important as being able to see the women. So, what I meant was that the motivating factor could simply be to get the guys together and have a good time carousing in a venue with girls present. Alternatively, if the idea is simply to be able to meet a bunch of girls, take one out and perhaps "window shop" on the others for later engagements then that's a different story. That's something that must be done locally and so obviously requires different venues, precautions (especially for those who live and work in Montreal) and cash incentives. It's a totally different approach. I was making the distinction between if the goal was to hang with guys and meet women or whether the idea was to Hell with the guys and bring on the girls sort of thing.

What I meant about travel was what I described above. In an open environment where men can easily meet other like-minded men, and all in vacation mode, then get togethers become normal, and truly an everyday occurrence. Guys just sitting around drinking on the deck will decide "let's throw a party" and invite whoever from wherever they are and a collection of the girls available and off they go. I've been to more than 100 parties like this. They're just everywhere, but they usually happen around places that have a "ground zero" for a specific area or where girls are so ubiquitous (think Pattaya or AC) that it really wouldn't matter where you are. So, what I meant was not about traveling with an escort, because that's like taking expensive sand to a cheap beach, but rather taking yourself to a locale where there are always get togethers and you can hang with with girls and bros.

As for your pricing, well, I wasn't even considering Europe in the mix, but in Latin America it doesn't cost you a dime except drinks unless you want to add extras or have the girls do strip shows etc. even so it's cheap. In Asia at worst then you have a cheap barfine fee to take them out, but usually everyone is available off hours and it's not hard to round up a group. I can (and have) set up parties in latin america for gentlemen and 10-15 girls with a short strip show and a limited selection of liquor for less than what an hour with an SP would cost here. The guys pay their own way as far as the girls go and the girls virtually guarantee themselves work that way, as well as a party, so everybody's happy.

 

[Halloween Mike]

You misunderstand me, or perhaps I didn't express myself well.

I never traveled, yet alone go in these types of places. So this is a little harder for me to understand how it work.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I never traveled, yet alone go in these types of places. So this is a little harder for me to understand how it work.

It works exactly like Urquel explained in his posts. You have to pay air fare to get to one of these countries but they have ground zero areas for escorts in Costa Rica, Colombia, Dominican Republic. To name just a few. It would be helpful if you spoke some Spanish, otherwise maybe you can get by with your French and OK English, depending on the girl.

 

[Halloween Mike]

It works exactly like Urquel explained in his posts. You have to pay air fare to get to one of these countries but they have ground zero areas for escorts in Costa Rica, Colombia, Dominican Republic. To name just a few. It would be helpful if you spoke some Spanish, otherwise maybe you can get by with your French and OK English, depending on the girl.

The idea seem interesting but im NEVER going to Colombia or such lol. Too dangerous. Shame cause i do love Latinas, but i want no business with the cartels or such.

 

[Enjoying life]

The idea seem interesting but im NEVER going to Colombia or such lol. Too dangerous. Shame cause i do love Latinas, but i want no business with the cartels or such.

I know of someone that never could keep his stuff in his pants and went to Columbia like a fool and was set up! He thought he was untouchable! Think again!

 

[urquell]

The idea seem interesting but im NEVER going to Colombia or such lol. Too dangerous. Shame cause i do love Latinas, but i want no business with the cartels or such.

Colombia isn't at all dangerous using ommon sense for travelers. No more than most other countries. People still insist on thinking about it like the FARC infested drug fuelled free-for-all that they've seen in 80's action movies. It's nothing at all like that, has lots of interesting stuff to see, good food and climate, along with very pretty girls. That is not to say that there aren't dangers, just like traveling anywhere, but sensible people can travel without fear in Colombia. The same is true of most other latin destinations aside from some of the small CA countries like Guatemala and Nicaragua. Don't buy into the Hollywood hype. It's just simply not like that.