Mood killers ?should their be a common blacklist ?

[BookerL]

Hello Ladies and Gents


Some of the difficulties in this industry are the no shows by clients and false calls .
They are both Mood killers on escorts and bookers

Some people do think its funny to make others loose their time and money !

You are repeating with a SP but she is not her usual self ,it does kill the Mood for everyone .

Should their be a common database to try to avoid the bad telephone numbers or emails etc.....?

Something like Equifax or TransUnion for credit scores

And extend blacklist for any other reasons ?

Cheers




Booker

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

Hello Ladies and Gents


Some of the difficulties in this industry are the no shows by clients and false calls .
They are both Mood killers on escorts and bookers

Cheers

Booker

First, not unless it was applied equally to clients, escorts, agencies, etc., and the white knights and shills will never let their favorites take any heat no matter how they deserve it.

Secondly, with C-36 about to arrive wouldn't such a a database resource with telephone numbers and emails be a risky tool for identifying hobbyists and their purpose?

I think it's a great idea with too many flaws. But it's probably being done anyway on a small scale.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[BookerL]

Hi Merlot

Yes it was done on a small scale .In my days has a Booker with many agencies from JDM we use to collaborate with the major problems !

Has for the flaws ,its the reasons for the questions !

Equifax isn't flawless but it works

The CRPQ isn't flawless also and it works

I guess a access code would be necessary ,but opinions and ideas are welcomed


Cheers



Booker

 

[shyguy2222]

All we need is a mutual consensus that if either party wishes to cancel for whatever reason, they should contact and inform the other party. There is no need for punishment and retribution, especially to the Ladies that work in this business. Economics will straighten everything out. No need to start blacklisting the girls over a few no shows when you don't know the circumstances and issues in their lives.

BookerL, if you worked for LFMJ/JDM, we spoke already..:smile:..oh those late night rendez vous with the girls of LFMJ were amazing..

 

[BookerL]

All we need is a mutual consensus that if either party wishes to cancel for whatever reason, they should contact and inform the other party. .

Yes I do agree with what you say .I was however talking about the issues of clients no shows and false calls !
You get at the address and it doesn't exist ,Or you arrive at the address someone opens the door but never called for a escort ,many situation does happen where it is not a legitimate call ,should their be a Blacklist ?

There is no need for punishment and retribution, especially to the Ladies that work in this business. Economics will straighten everything out. No need to start blacklisting the girls over a few no shows when you don't know the circumstances and issues in their lives.

I do agree with this also ,I am talking of protecting the ladies by avoiding them lost of time by futile traveling time or unnecessary wait period .
Just a example the lady makes herself available for a 3 hours night booking ,she had other things to do but cancelled what she had plan because it seemed like a good call ,the guy never showed up !Hummm
It is more then unpleasant ,it is time consuming and lost of money ?
Pre booking arrangements are a privilege not a due

BookerL, if you worked for LFMJ/JDM, we spoke already..:smile:..oh those late night rendez vous with the girls of LFMJ were amazing..

Well I guess we did !
Thanks for your patronage



Cheers



Booker

 

[wasisname]

With reviews you can always get corrections from others who have had different experiences. Oh she sucked, no she didn't. Oh she was great, no she wasn't.

I can't see this happening much with a blacklist in this regard unless someone is extremely active.

Someone doesn't show because he had to rescure a box of kittens and puppies on the road, or had to save a child from zombies and an escort either doesn't believe him or overreacts anyways and boom you are fubared.
Give a bad review... boom you are fubared.

Such a dynamic generally doesn't exist with credit agencies. Also clients can check their credit histories and raise bloody and legal hell if someone starts putting bad fake reports.

 

[BookerL]

I can't see this happening much with a blacklist in this regard unless someone is extremely active.

Someone doesn't show because he had to rescure a box of kittens and puppies on the road, or had to save a child from zombies and an escort either doesn't believe him or overreacts anyways and boom you are fubared.
Give a bad review... boom you are fubared

From reading your post I see that your understanding of the business is only on the client perspective and its okay .

But has a good reliable and legitimate clients from the previous client rescuing a box of kittens or puppies
Because it will affect the SP mood .
However I was talking about false calls addresses that doesn't exist no shows without a courteous cancellation call .
Or you arrive at the address mid night someone answers but he denies having called and the cell is closed ,it was a hoax call ,
Those are examples of situation I am talking about



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Such a dynamic generally doesn't exist with credit agencies. Also clients can check their credit histories and raise bloody and legal hell if someone starts putting bad fake reports.

I would like to know what type of hell then can raise for a mistake in a credit report ?
We are in Canada and Canada is not suing heaven ,and Quebec even worst or better depending on which side you are !



Cheers



Booker

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

Regarding clients only...

For many reasons, I'm not agreeable to a public database. A private one between the ladies sure but not accessible to the public.

These days, it's too easy for someone to spoof a number. If proper verification and due diligence is not done on the part of the independent SP or agency, an innocent person's phone number could very well end up on that list for no good reason. And then there is the issue of trusting the source, etc. and etc. With C-36, this could have a nefarious impact for anyone who is a victim of spoofing.

Accepting a rendez-vous at someone's house or hotel room that turns out to be a fake call can easily be avoided by screening using various methods. Those of us who care about our safety and value our time ask for references or screen for these reasons (and others).

No shows should also be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and not automatically entered into a (public) database. As we all know, sh*t happens sometimes. Plus, keeping in mind C-36, does someone really deserve to be in a database for that reason? Nope. Even legitimate chronic time wasters deserve much more than what our government has in store for them--but I'll happily share his contact details in a private section so other ladies can easily avoid him.

 

[BookerL]

For many reasons, I'm not agreeable to a public database. A private one between the ladies sure but not accessible to the public.

Exactly Gabrielle private for the ladies and agencies like other systems in other fiels but adapted for the needs of this one

Equifax isn't flawless but it works

The CRPQ isn't flawless also and it works

I guess a access code would be necessary ,but opinions and ideas are welcomed

These days, it's too easy for someone to spoof a number. If proper verification and due diligence is not done on the part of the independent SP or agency, an innocent person's phone number could very well end up on that list for no good reason. And then there is the issue of trusting the source, etc. and etc. With C-36, this could have a nefarious impact for anyone who is a victim of spoofing.

The consequences of a mistake or error would not be that tragic !
Criminal law requires a proof beyond reasonable doubt ,plus sex between consenting adults will not climb on the priority list of crime because of that new law

Accepting a rendez-vous at someone's house or hotel room that turns out to be a fake call can easily be avoided by screening using various methods. Those of us who care about our safety and value our time ask for references or screen for these reasons (and others).

No shows should also be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and not automatically entered into a (public) database. As we all know, sh*t happens sometimes. Plus, keeping in mind C-36, does someone really deserve to be in a database for that reason? Nope. Even legitimate chronic time wasters deserve much more than what our government has in store for them--but I'll happily share his contact details in a private section so other ladies can easily avoid him.

Sharing infos is what I am talking about ,
Is a structure necessary to help that is another question?
You do have to remember not all Indies have your knowledge and experience ,Not all booker also .



Cheers




Booker

 

[BookerL]

As much as no shows and other annoying stuff are happening in this business, I think it is part of the "job" to not let that ruin others encounters.
Some days it is easy, some days it is not. Of course, the more you "work", the more it happens and the more you have to deal with theses kind of mood killers.

Hello Tina

I do agree it is part of the job,and the ladies that does it better will have more success !
However when you are training a newbie and she doesn't have the knowledge and skills to cope which such situation its a different story .

Creating a better working ambiance is the purpose of the question


Cheers



Booker

 

[Smartnsexy]

I think the idea is a good one. I mean, who wouldn't want to make sure that the guys who waste the ladies' time are no longer able to pull their shenanigans. Looking at it from a lady's perspective it's a loss of income when this happens and from the gentleman's perspective it's a loss of opportunity to meet a provider if she's already been booked by some jackass who has no intention of showing up.

However, I would strongly disapprove of the idea for two main reasons.

1. It is far too open to abuse.
a) Who controls the list?
b) How can you know you're on the list?
c) Is there an appeals process?
d) What's to prevent a booker or indy from putting someone on the list who doesn't deserve it as payback for a bad review or something similar.

2. As Gaby mentioned, C-36. Regardless of how little BookerL feels that LE won't care, I don't, at all, want my name and number on a list somewhere associated to the hobby as it could very easily be used against me as a form of blackmail or legal threat. Even a privately shared list on a board somewhere is at risk of being acquired by LE. At the absolute most, I think sharing a list between ladies that know each other personally would be ok.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I think agencies should work on the 3 strikes setting...

If you cancel once, shit happen, its ok, but if you do twice... then thats a problem but three time... your out.

I myself build a reputation on being very reliable. If i make a booking i never cancel. Worst that i ever did was asked for a disponibility, check with the hotel and all(im picky, out of towner on foot with a limited budget) and text back saying sadly it won't work... all in the time frame of maybe 15 mins... and many hours before the time i asked for. No hassle AT ALL for the agency. AND IN NOT EVEN FROM MTL so its extra trouble for me to coordinate everything... with bus, co-drivers and such...

When its an indy that book on her self, she need of course some screening but then again maybe a client can be a first timer? you never know for sure if your gonna have a no show, sucks but its part of the business...

Myself as client i had some, but i apreciate agencies that don't fuck around and make it clear with the escorts, valid excuses are one thing (family, periods...the real ones..not the one some use lol) but having a party last night and not "feeling it" ... not one of them. Sure client could get a half decent meeting, but then again thats HER problem. She knew she worked... she shouldn't had party up like any other job...

With agencies its a bit touchy as they are second liner in term of making the meeting happen. If i met 3 of there girls and its always been cool but i get a second noshow in a row with one particular girl.. chances are the problem is on the girl, not the booker. On the other hand indies book themselves... so i would say they should be able to cancel if really nessary way in advance. A noshow would be an auto "ban" from me if i don't get any message or a text 15 min before the meeting thats says "sorry can't make it" lol

As clients, i think we should be allowed a ratio quota maybe.. if a client booked 3-4-5 times with an agency and everything go well, but once he got to cancel for a reason out of his control, even if on short notice... i would say shit happen. But thats a one time free pass... at least for the next 6 bookings/6 months....

In any case, i guess there is always ways and logic to do stuff. A good regular client cancelling, don't hold a grudge against him... it happen, but a first timer, different stories... If no warning at all, auto ban, if cancellation 1H before or whatever, ASK why. Judge if his excuse is legitimate.

Same goes for a girl, if you saw her 3 times, she cancel once, well it happen.

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

The consequences of a mistake or error would not be that tragic !
Criminal law requires a proof beyond reasonable doubt ,plus sex between consenting adults will not climb on the priority list of crime because of that new law
Booker

I understand the law, BookerL and have spent countless hours researching it

When I said that this could have nefarious impacts on someone's life or create complications, I was not only referring to C-36 and its process.

One simple example: a prospective employer or HR always does thorough background research. Depending on the position, field and company, especially one requiring a high level security clearance, would not be impressed with this association. It can be easily brushed off as a mistake but would you appreciate the shadow of doubt unnecessarily created or having them investigating further in your life because of it?

Without saying too much, years ago before I got involved in this industry, I went through the process for obtaining a high security clearance and let me tell you it's no fun and they look at every single detail of your life, bits by bits... So I said what I said with that perspective in mind too.

For many reasons, I'm not agreeable to a public database. A private one between the ladies sure but not accessible to the public.

 

[shyguy2222]

BookerL, I would argue with Gabrielle. She seems like a pretty smart well informed Lady..I think she should be on jeopardy

 

[gurgeh85]

As much as no shows and other annoying stuff are happening in this business, I think it is part of the "job" to not let that ruin others encounters.
Some days it is easy, some days it is not. Of course, the more you "work", the more it happens and the more you have to deal with theses kind of mood killers.

It's not just this industry, but in any industry where you have to deal with the general public, you will run into a certain percentage of problem customers. It could be people who think it's funny to waste your time, it could be people who are against the industry who are doing it purposely to harass you, and it could be guys who have every intention of seeing you but lose their nerve at the last second. Seriously, if you're at an incall and some guy doesn't show up on time, look out the window. There will probably be some guy walking up and down the street trying to make up his mind. Just open up the window and yell down, "Hey, you! Get your ass up here!" :smile: (jk!)

If there's a recurring problem from the same source, then yes, you should make a note of his phone # and share it, but the occasional hassle that you have with this kind of thing is just the price of doing business. I know that it can be irritating, but remember that the next guy is probably going to show up on time, and will be squeaky clean, and will not be a jerk.

PS -- as an aside, wouldn't you check an address on Google Maps or Mapquest to make sure it really exists? I suppose if you're really busy, this may not be possible, but if it were me, I think I would do this whenever I could.

 

[BookerL]

I understand the law, BookerL and have spent countless hours researching it

Hello Gabriella
Their was no intension of saying you did not understand the laws in my statement ,in fact I added "not all Indies have your experience

Sharing infos is what I am talking about ,
Is a structure necessary to help that is another question?
You do have to remember not all Indies have your knowledge and experience ,Not all booker also .

When I said that this could have nefarious impacts on someone's life or create complications, I was not only referring to C-36 and its process.

One simple example: a prospective employer or HR always does thorough background research. Depending on the position, field and company, especially one requiring a high level security clearance, would not be impressed with this association. It can be easily brushed off as a mistake but would you appreciate the shadow of doubt unnecessarily created or having them investigating further in your life because of it?

I understand this having done background checks on potential tenants and employees myself for over the last quarter century ,However database of bad payers do exist ,database of bad tenants do exist ,
Its something that you do analyze and weigh the risk afterward accordingly.
I also mentioned not public but with a access code

Without saying too much, years ago before I got involved in this industry, I went through the process for obtaining a high security clearance and let me tell you it's no fun and they look at every single detail of your life, bits by bits... So I said what I said with that perspective in mind too.

Security clearance !I had cops ,Judges,Political men ,Doctors , high ranking business men etc....as my clients
They are not the ones creating havoc ,they do not have the time



Cheers



Booker

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

I understand this having done background checks on potential tenants and employees myself for over the last quarter century ,However database of bad payers do exist ,database of bad tenants do exist ,
Its something that you do analyze and weigh the risk afterward accordingly.
I also mentioned not public but with a access code.

Booker, I also understand what you are saying. My only concern is that an association to prostitution, real or not, in some cases, could have a nefarious impact, unlike someone who has a bad credit history. Unfortunately, we all know that stigmas and stereotypes often carry more leverage than they deserve.

Security clearance !I had cops ,Judges,Political men ,Doctors , high ranking business men etc....as my clients
They are not the ones creating havoc ,they do not have the time

I think my point was missed or perhaps my analogy was off... We've all had clients from different backgrounds over the years and I did not imply they were the ones causing "havoc".
In short, I'm saying that false or inaccurate reports could negatively impact those who seek employment where the environment is not as friendly as others...

Like I told someone earlier:
Handling private and personal information is a delicate matter and should be treated as such. It should always be handled with the utmost respect, just like it was your own.

Anyway, I understand what you are expressing and I know you understand what I'm saying so it's all good because the last thing I want to do is participate in a discussion that goes off the rails due to trivial elements.

Cheers xox

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

Without saying too much, years ago before I got involved in this industry, I went through the process for obtaining a high security clearance and let me tell you it's no fun and they look at every single detail of your life, bits by bits... So I said what I said with that perspective in mind too.

For years now I've had to go through much the same investigation requirements to work as you describe. It never really worries me because obviously I know there's nothing, but it does make one feel invaded. Every year they want to add something more invasive, where you wonder when family and/or friend associations retinal scans, DNA markers,...who knows what is coming next.

However database of bad payers do exist ,database of bad tenants do exist, its something that you do analyze and weigh the risk afterward accordingly.

Booker

As we noted previously, there are databases being kept anyway. Aside from the problem of general fairness, balance, equal accountability, and who is deciding those standards, I do feel that the case of the ladies is more difficult to be making fair and firm judgements about who should be black listed. Remember that they are providing a service that is more intimate, more intrusive, more full of random risks than pretty much 99.99% of anything else one can imagine. They see some guy who in the real world he could have any one of a thousand negatives that might turn any other "regular" lady away and yet the standard is that she needs to be at a high quality GFE level every time. That's a hell of a lot of pressure creating a huge potential for being OFF just enough to get a bad report. All the client has to do is...be on time, pay what's owed, be clean, and behave well enough, when she has to be able to create a great presentation as well as all the dressing, acting, chatting, be charming, be beautiful, be sexy, be arousing, provide options and much more without being able to choose who this is all accomplished with. If something goes bad she's still expected to get herself together and still be a goddess again in 15, 20, 30 minutes. That's some damn tough job.

What I'm getting at is the great inequity of pressures between clients and escorts. How then can the same standards be applied to a black list. The client doesn't have nearly half the list of details that can go wrong for her that would give her a poorer report. So how can anyone balance that fairly? A bad SP is a bad SP but a black list has a lot of inequity problems unless standards are going to be scaled dramatically to match the big variance in responsibilities...especially when the guy is doing things once a night and the escort is working 3, 4, 5 times or hours a night. She has so much more risk that something can lead to a bad report day after day, and he has what, one or two hours a week. Geeeez.

Like I told someone earlier:
Handling private and personal information is a delicate matter and should be treated as such. It should always be handled with the utmost respect, just like it was your own.

Cheers xox

And of course guarded securely.

BTW: I going to start charging you too for stealing the "cheers" copyright. Booker already owes me enough to pay for a weekend with Clara. :eyebrows:

Bisous and CHEERS,

Merlot

 

[tiannas]

Ah, no shows and fake calls, one of the true joys of this business, lol! Who actually fake calls an escort? How mean is that?
I have a funny story - about a guy I call "the runner". He booked an incall, comes to the door, tells me he forgot the wine in his car and will be right back. He never returned. I thought maybe he just didn't like me or something but didn't know how to tell me that. A couple months later I get another booking, different name, number, even in a different language. I open the door and guess who is standing there? The same guy. What does he do? Says he forgot the wine and takes off, again! Bizarre!

Now, as far as keeping phone numbers, I believe that most of these guys are using fake numbers anyway, so there wouldn't be much point...

 

[BookerL]

Says he forgot the wine and takes off, again! Bizarre!

.

Hello Tianna
I am really glad I did not forget my wine

By the way when I am talking of blacklist ,I am not referring

To a clients blacklist but more a temporary one with telephone and emails .
Historically the ones who makes those fake calls operate very shortly .
I will provide one of best live example later

Cheers


Booker