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Guys,

Would anyone be willing to bet significant money against the Colts? If the Patriots get by Denver, big if, then they will have to face Indy at Indy which they did not have to do in past years. Those performances by Manning came in bad New England weather against an outstanding defense. This year it will be a dome controlled climate and not such good defenses. Also, the Colts defense is MUCH better than it has been the past 5 years.

This is Peyton's year to shine. The Colts are going all the way, book it, right now.
 
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The Pats are finished

Mark my words the Pats are going to get smoked, the Denver defence is going to be all over Brady like a bad rash, this is the beginning of the end of their dynasty, if you want to make some real easy money take the Broncos, you can thank me later.:)
 
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The key players in NE's defense are NOT all back from their Super Bowl years despite some hopeful NE fans desire for it to be so. Rodney Harrison who was THE key member of last years secondary is still quite "OUT for the season" and although Ty Law didn't figure in their playoff run last year he is no longer with the team and was the best cover corner in the league for the Pats during their FIRST two Super Bowl runs. In addition they have been putting in replacements at DB all year it seems and if those guys who got hurt early aren't still hurt then they are definitely rusty. What you have in the NE secondary is a big pile of burnt toast ala Elvis Patterson of the 80's NYG-men.

Bruschi is no where near the dominant LB he was last year although he is still a savvy player and better than many other LB's. Ted Johnson is still retired so he won't be putting on a cape and running to the rescue this Saturday in Mile High (at Invesco). The rest of the guys up front have been playing well against cream puffs but lets see how they do against a team thats beaten them not only this year but in 3 of their previous 4 meetings since the Pat's dynasty began. Denver is one of the toughest places in the league to play and the Broncos are a cold weather team(unlike the Jaguars) every bit as much as the Pats so don't look for any magic in the snow.

Denver wasn't 13-3 this year by accident, they are an excellent, well balanced football team with a great coach of their own on the sideline. I heard several times this week someone spewing some garbage about Shanahan never winning a Super Bowl since Elway left. Well please tell me how many Belichik has won without Brady will you? 0? Oh, OK. So please no stories about a Pats coaching advantage. Brady is as always the wild card, if he has an excellent game and the Broncos make some crucial errors the Pats have a chance to win, assuming they make no errors of their own.

In all likelihood this game is going the Broncos way, the Pats will be good for several years to come. But their chances of winning another title are no where near as good as they have been in the past. Everyone who is sick and tired of hearing the Pats' cry "disrespect" raise your hands. No one is taking them lightly, everyone is aiming to take their heads off, the headsmen is in Denver this week.
 

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My picks!

Seattle over Washington: Although I think Washington is capable of keeping it close. If they do, anything can happen late in the game. I like Washington's D, and Brunnell to Santana Moss is a dangerous combo. Throw in Clinton Portis and an upset is possible, but Seattle also has lots of weapons including the best RB in football.

New England over Denver: Let's just say that with a shot at the AFC title game on the line, I'd put my money on Tom Brady over Jake Plummer any day. Yeah, New England may not be as strong as last year's team, but until proven otherwise, this team knows how to win.

Indy over Pittsburgh: Two ways of looking at this. You could say Indy is well rested and Pittsburgh is a little beat up after last week's game. On the other hand, Pittsburgh played a meaningful game last week and Indy might not be sharp since they haven't played a meaningful game since week 15 vs. San Diego. I think the Colts offense is too fast for the Pittsburgh defense(mainly their secondary) while the Colts defense can hold it's own. So Indy will win, but unlike most, I wouldn't be surprised at an upset. This game will be very close. The one major intangible will be the Dungy factor, and how his son's suicide will affect the team. No one can predict that till' they take the field Sunday.

Carolina over Chicago: Rex Grossman at QB??? Carolina's defense is almost as good as Chicago's, and their offense is much better. Delhomme is a winner and the only thing that will stop Carolina is if they pull a no show like the Giants did last week.

Just my two cents worth!
 

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just to be a little different:

NE vs Pittsburgh!! (Manning is gonna screw up like his brother...)

Seattle vs Caroline
 

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The pats got smoked just like i predicted, if you listened to me you would have made some serious coin, the pats are on the decline and their glory days are over, look for indy and carolina to win tomorrow with indy to go on to win the big dance(super bowl).:)
 

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Turnover, turnovers, turnovers, ya just can't win giving the ball away 4 times inside your own half of the field. Awful call as well by the back judge on the pass interference call to Samuel, utter bullshit and a game changer in itself.

Bronco's couldn't do shit all night, every scoring drive was 3 plays or less. That tells me who dominated the game Joe t. and it certainly wasn't Denver but for the final score.
 

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I agree about the pass interference, it was a horrible call and it changed the game, some of the worst calls that i have ever seen have been pass interference, the nfl needs to address the issue because it is ruining the game.
 

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Joe.t said:
I agree about the pass interference, it was a horrible call and it changed the game, some of the worst calls that i have ever seen have been pass interference, the nfl needs to address the issue because it is ruining the game.

Completly... who knows what could have happenned... the game would have been completly different...
Too bad Brady... super bowl next year!
 

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I won't say I told you so, oh, too late I already did!

Pats self destruct, thats a new way to lose they haven't tried recently. Hey its been showing all year long, this Pats team is not as good as they were just a year ago with or without their starting secondary. They are a good team capable of winning a playoff game or two but they are not the dominating force we have seen for three of the past four years. Next year they are one year older and will likely lose more veteran talent to free agency and retirement. Hopefully injuries won't hurt them again but if they do they will have to put in whatever backups they have and hope that lady luck smiles on them as it has so often over the past several years. :rolleyes:

I agree that pass interference call on Samuel should have been a no-call and it did lead to Bronco points. But to say it cost the Pats the game? I'm surprised Brady isn't crying "disrespect" :mad: at the notion. First of all, this game was won by 14 points not 7. In addition not one Patriot Fan I watched the game with left with their heads down at that point, they fully assumed Brady would work his magic and bring the Pats' back as he has done so many times before, not start throwing the ball to the other team.

The Pats had every oppurtunity to get back into this game all the way down to the wire and they just didn't do it. Instead Brady threw 2 INT's, one in the end zone :eek: which was returned 100 yards and set up another Bronco TD. Game changing play? Look no further (and it was reviewed and found to be the right call). However you look at who deserves more credit for it, Brady blew it and Champ Bailey made an excellent play to pick him off.

The Pats hardly "dominated" :confused: this game, they gained 77 yards rushing with Corey Dillon rushing the ball only 13 times. Only 21 total rushing attempts compared to 36 passes for the Pats. Poor play calling by Belichik, glaringly displayed by the 3/11 third down conversion ratio and 0/1 on fourth. Of course Brady did make a number of bad throws behind his receivers or several feet in front of them at their feet so maybe its his fault. He threw for 346 yards compared to Plummers 197 but he also threw 2 picks compared to Plummers 1. With both throwing about even as far as accuracy went, 20/36 for Brady or roughly 55.5% and 15/26 for Plummer or roughly 58%, Plummer came away with slightly higher QB rating because he didn't cost his team the game.

Special teams is the part of the game many people tend to discount when determining how well a team played. The Pats fumbled twice on special teams, three times in all, ball handling grade= F. Denvers punting unit pinned the Pats' inside their twenty 3 times, something the Pats' were not able to reciprocate on even once. Field position game goes to Denver. Time of Posession in favor of Denver by 3+ minutes. But the moment that I thought to myself the Pats are done was when Vinatieri missed a FG :eek: !!

All the small things that make a huge difference were seen to by Denver and neglected by the Pats. Pats DL Richard Seymour said "You've got to give Denver credit for causing some of those turnovers, I don't care what anyone says." Christian Fauria added "They did what they had to do to win, usually we are in that position." Brady called Baileys game turning pick a "Great play." Yes indeed Tom, the kind of play that wins a game. Sound words of wisdom coming from the Pats themselves who to their credit I haven't heard crying about their sound defeat. So Denver feasted off of mistakes? The Pats had to make them for there to be a feast and the Broncos had to show up for dinner. My how delicious those mistakes were! :p
 
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Ok Abe,

I see your points but...the Pats began moving the ball well towards the end of the 2nd qtr. They had a lead going in and were marching down field when Faulk coughed up the ball. The very next play was the awful pass INT call on Samuel, that made the game 7-3 and completely turned around the mojo of the game. Follow that with the kickoff fumble on the very next play and that's why I say it was game changing.

You keep speaking of Brady's 2 INT's, yes, he did throw 2, 1 very important 1 with hardly any time left in the game and a desperation bomb attempt. Get over the INT's already. The only one that had any bearing on the game was Baileys. I'll give credit to Plummer as well...He'd played as well as he had too, nothing more that's for sure. Did enough to win the game.

The Pats blew it big time, there's no doubt, discounting the turnovers they'd be playing the Colts next week, not the Bronco's. Ooops, I'm overlooking the Steelers. :p No team is going to win a game allowing their opponents 24 points off turnovers!

In Belichik we trust here in New England. Have no fears, they'll come back much stronger next year and Brady is just starting to hit his peak!

Sidenote here...How f'n awesome was Ben Watson running 100+ yards down and across the field to knock Bailey into next week after the INT. That's the definition of having heart right there!
 

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As I saw the game last night, the turnovers and the bad call on Ashanti Samuel were really the difference in the game, but turnovers and bad calls are part of the sport. I note that on his second INT Brady was under pressure and rushed his throw, so you have to give Denver some credit. Also agree with Special K that Plummer played well. At his size he is extremely mobile and I think his arm strength is underrated.
 

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So far so good

Joe.t said:
The pats got smoked just like i predicted, if you listened to me you would have made some serious coin, the pats are on the decline and their glory days are over, look for indy and carolina to win tomorrow with indy to go on to win the big dance(super bowl).:)

Joe.t,

I picked Denver to win it all a week ago and with the Steelers leading the Colts entering the 4th quarter, it's looking good :D !
 

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Special teams and coaching

were the difference in last night's game between the Pats and the Broncos. The Pats never really had good positions to start their drives --that is, when they managed to hang on to the ball. Credit that to Sauerbrun, the Denver punter. In terms of coaching, I'd put Shanahan on the same level as Belichick as one of the very best. However, where the Pats fell short this year are in the assistant coaches. The departure of Romeo Crennel & Charlie Weis did hurt them.
 

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Cowher Power

They say never underestimate Cowher Power, and to my friends in Pittsburgh I say I was wrong to underestimate it! Colts were completely outcoached and unprepared for "Blitzburgh" and Manning spent most of the day on his ass or on the run!

Has anyone seen a kicker miss a field goal wider to the right than Vanderjagt did? That has to be the widest miss, right or left, I have ever seen. It almost looked like he was deliberately trying to miss!:eek:
 

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EagerBeaver said:
They say never underestimate Cowher Power, and to my friends in Pittsburgh I say I was wrong to underestimate it! Colts were completely outcoached and unprepared for "Blitzburgh" and Manning spent most of the day on his ass or on the run!

Has anyone seen a kicker miss a field goal wider to the right than Vanderjagt did? That has to be the widest miss, right or left, I have ever seen. It almost looked like he was deliberately trying to miss!:eek:

Vanderjagt probably was concentrating on making sure he had enough leg power in his kick, was nervous as hell, and shanked it. The Colts aided by controversial calls didn't deserve to win or even tie that game. Hopefully for Pittsburgh Roethlisberger's hand will be okay for the Championship game with Denver. The Steelers are playing at their peak. Many times the team that is playing the best during the playoffs and the end of the season, not the best team, wins it all.
 

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Absolutely unbelievable how that ref could have possibly ruled that Polamalu INT to be an incomplete pass. Worst blown replay call ever. If a ref can't get the call right with the help of high tech video recording equipment which can slow the play down to thousandths of a second then he doesn't belong as a ref in the NFL. Shannon Sharpe had an interesting theory though, something about "Archie Manning making a guest appearance as a ref?" I'm glad the Colts didn't win, they totally choked and didn't deserve to win. Another wasted oppurtunity for Peyton. Where do they go from here?
 

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Sidenote here...How f'n awesome was Ben Watson running 100+ yards down and across the field to knock Bailey into next week after the INT. That's the definition of having heart right there!

He had to dodge a ref at about mid field to do it too! Excellent hustle and shame on Bailey for his "Leon Lett" imitation and slowing down before reaching the end zone.
 

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He had to dodge a ref at about mid field to do it too! Excellent hustle and shame on Bailey for his "Leon Lett" imitation and slowing down before reaching the end zone.


I agree, if i was the coach i would have been all over Bailey for coasting, he almost cost his team possession of the ball, 7 points and maybe the game.
 
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