Have you ever tought of running your own agency maybe? Maybe an agency that is run by an escort would be more ethical.. I dont know...
Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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Precisely. Escorting is 100% Capitalistic also. The agencies are not charities, they are there to make money. It is what it is.
LOL. Maybe a GoFundMe Page has been started? On this point I need to go to bat for XO's attorneys. We/they need to be paid whether the clients is/are a guilty piece of shit or an innocent victim of a set up. Justice is not free! I do not know what will happen in Court, but I hope the XO attorneys are paid, just as I hope I get paid for the tax appeals I argued yesterday. Sending my love to my Montreal JD brothers.
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I have no interest in that, I am leaving this industry but I think an agency built on communism instead of capitalist values would be more fair to the providers. Everyone’s an equal partner, we all share the costs of marketing, rent, phone etc.
That implies that a $280 hourly rate would probably not be viable
Communist countries are 100% against girls selling sexual services. This makes absolutely no sense. Selling sexual services is as pure Capitalistic as it can get.
What I find a bit ironical is that some of our indies have a discourse towards agencies and the girls that work there that is somewhat similar to the discourse that some abolitionists have towards prostitution in general. Agency girls are basically all victims and its unethical to do buisiness with agencies. Alright.
Fyi, a lot of people think paying for sex is unethical and immoral, period.
Fyi, a lot of people think paying for sex is unethical and immoral, period.
You are spot on in this. They are clearly biased.
Hob12, without wading too much into this point I agree with you. I have always felt uncomfortable with the indies posting on agency girls and their "plight" because they have an obvious financial incentive in doing so. But the irony you mention is true. It's sort of making the argument for abolition of sex work. I suppose the response to that would be, "abolition not needed if all sex workers are Indy." A lot of sex workers, however, need structure and hands on management. They can't really function independently. So agencies do have their place. We just expect them to behave well, and are disappointed when, allegedly, they haven't behaved well.
Exactly. Per Maria Mourani, all sex workers are victims of Men. There is no ethical or independent sex work.
Here is a quote in French:
"Des documentaires biaisés, des projets de recherche orientés, des entrevues avec des sexologues voulant importer des façons de faire discutables et j’en passe.
On veut nous faire croire qu’il y a une bonne prostitution et une mauvaise.
Ces propagandistes utilisent alors des termes aseptisés, nettoyés de leur laideur intrinsèque, pour vous faire gober la pilule.
Qu’on se le dise: la prostitution est un viol tarifé. Le consentement n’est jamais libre. Il est vicié par les traumatismes et l’argent.
On aura beau lui donner un habillage clinique pour se donner bonne conscience, cela ne changera rien à sa nature.
Et, un consentement obtenu dans une relation marchande et asymétrique n’est jamais neutre."
I don’t know it depends on many factors but I don’t think we could charge $280 and all make equal profit maybe I’m wrong
A lot of professionals who went to university and have to pay licensing fees and income taxes charge around or less than that in many cases.
I don’t know who said providers working in agencies are all victims but it wasn’t me. Like I said many times, there are good agencies. I have friends working in good ones in Toronto.
Some agencies, especially in Montreal are very exploitative. Yes, in those cases, providers working there could be victims
Side topic, I know a lot of providers living in Montreal that simply refuse to work here because they don’t like the clientele. No, that has nothing to do with money but just in the general attitude
In the 10+ years I’ve been working, I’ve often heard providers calling Montreal a boot camp “if you can survive working in Montreal, you can work anywhere”
Some agencies, especially in Montreal are very exploitative. Yes, in those cases, providers working there could be victims
Side topic, I know a lot of providers living in Montreal that simply refuse to work here because they don’t like the clientele. No, that has nothing to do with money but just in the general attitude
In the 10+ years I’ve been working, I’ve often heard providers calling Montreal a boot camp “if you can survive working in Montreal, you can work anywhere”
Mais genre mec! Pourquoi tu ramènes tout le temps d’autres professions. Do you not realize it has absolutely no correlation.
Si tu peux garder tes vêtements et ne pas avoir à coucher avec des inconnus qui se battent avec toi pour ne pas se doucher, bien sûr que les prix sont différents. Je ne pense pas que ça soit difficile de comprendre que les escortes chargent ce qui les rendent confortable pour la tâche à effectuer
No, it is not the same.
A lot of people who are for decriminalization of prostitution want sex workers to have rights and don't want us to be exploited and in danger. We never said ''agency girls are nothing but victims'', most of us have worked for spas and agencies and we never said it was unethical to do business with agencies, you are just choosing to read things in an overly simplistic way. We can denounce poor working conditions of certain workers and exploitation, or talk about abusive client behavior, without wanting to abolish prostitution.
There is a difference between being anti sex work, and being realistic about the industry. Personally I understand why girls choose to work for agencies, they have good marketing and they know they will have clients. Things aren't black or white tho, everything isn't just ''IT'S WRONG'' or ''IT'S AMAZING'', there are shades of gray in everything, including the sex industry. The more vulnerable you are and the more it's obvious you need money, the more you are likely to be targeted by predators and exploited. Saying that doesn't mean we agree with radfem abolitionists, it's just the truth.
Not everyone can be indy or at least not right away, and a lot of the issues we face, particularly the most marginalized workers, is because of the law that criminalizes clients and prevents providers from working together and having rights and support. For instance, because clients are criminalized, it's a lot harder to be independent since clients are afraid of the police, and everything is pushed underground. A girl who hosts from home could lose her housing if her landlords find out that she has clients over too. The fact that we are marginalized workers gives these employers a lot of power. We just want girls who enter the industry and work for agencies and spas to have good experiences, that's all. The business model that is held by some agencies and some MPs do not make it sustainable for the workers.
A lot of people who join this industry are in a bad place financially and can't afford to rent an incall or to brand themselves a certain way. Does this mean they are not making a choice by entering this industry? Absolutely not. That isn't the same as being groomed or trafficked. But I think it's sticking your head in the sand to ignore that these women are not vulnerable to falling into certtain traps.
None of us said all agencies are bad. I also have friends in Toronto who work for agencies and love their work place. I also know people who have worked for spas and really love it. We also didn't say that clients who go to agencies are inherently shitty. It's annoying that we can't have nuanced conversations here.
We are NOT talking about ''the ethics of paying for sex'' here! We are talking about abusive working environments! This is an entirely different subject!
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