Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[RobertNYC]

It's not that simple. Even if one of those girls witnessed abuse, what could she have done? She can just choose to leave but when we speak out against this sort of thing we are often severely punished.

And I'm tired of hearing "victims are lying or embellishing their story" ... It's just so dismissive and upsetting. I can tell everyone who who has said things like this on this thread never experienced any type of abuse.

Involving LE in situations regarding sex work is extremely tricky. I've heard of girls who went to the police after reporting an assault and had cash money taken away from them or were laughed at. LE is often not on our side.

We agree to disagree. Yes, victims can and do embellish stories. You may find it insulting, but you’re living in a cave to think that never happens. It absolutely does, and it happens well outside this industry. I have enough friends who are cops who give countless stories. And prosecutors lead these victims to use words that carry certain legal weight. I’m not saying definitely that’s the case here, but often it is.

As for escorts reporting or not reporting abuse they see, well, that’s a moral dilemma. But my opinion is when you’re an adult, you have a moral obligation to speak. “I’m scared, or “They won’t believe me” is a cop out. Do not do what you think is right, do what IS right. And the right thing is speaking up for the victim in your midst, within your company when she’s being physically abused. Sorry, that’s basic humanity at its core.

If you’re old enough to vote, to go into the military, you’re mature enough to do the right thing and call out rape and abuse if it actually occurred.

Whether LE will listen, won’t listen, take your money. Just do the right thing and TRY to stop the abuse.

 

[Hydargoos]

Pour ma part, j'avais rencontré une fille 2 fois, travaillant pour cette agence. A ma sortie, lors du 2e rendez-vous, des voisins m'avaient vu sortir et m'ont regardé d'un drôle d'air.

Je ne suis plus jamais retourné à cet endroit depuis. C'est pour ça que ma 2e rencontre fut ma dernière avec eux. Mais ça me surprend ce que ce reportage a dit, la femme que j'avais rencontré était plein d'enthousiasme et ne semblait pas être le genre de fille à s'en laisser imposer. Elle avait du caractère.

 

[RobertNYC]

Pour ma part, j'avais rencontré une fille 2 fois, travaillant pour cette agence. A ma sortie, lors du 2e rendez-vous, des voisins m'avaient vu sortir et m'ont regardé d'un drôle d'air.

Je ne suis plus jamais retourné à cet endroit depuis. C'est pour ça que ma 2e rencontre fut ma dernière avec eux. Mais ça me surprend ce que ce reportage a dit, la femme que j'avais rencontré était plein d'enthousiasme et ne semblait pas être le genre de fille à s'en laisser imposer. Elle avait du caractère.

Forgive me. I had to use Google translate. Smart move by you not to return. Instincts are good guides.

And sorry to say, but if this XO escort knew abuse and r— were happening feet from here, and she did nothing, she didn’t have “good character” as you say.

 

[forever newbi]

Sorry, don’t read much French and cannot get the whole story, lol

Just found it’s really low to dig up and agency closed six month ago to write a piece, since. There won’t any opposite of “ the story “

More over, if the dude ( whom I think has a good chance used XO many times) really think the girls are victims, then post their photo does nothing but victimize them a second time.

There are so many different kind of lonely people out there, pastors, cops, judges, journalists, you name it and I won’t be surprised them number pop out on an agency’s call log.

As one owner told me before:

“My favourite sob story quote from it is « A father found her daughter by accident on an esc website and booked her to beg her to stop » …. Nah he was trying to book a girl and then got scandaled by the fact girls like this could be his daughter! « By accident » yeah ok ”

 

[Glyscore]

It's not that simple. Even if one of those girls witnessed abuse, what could she have done? She can just choose to leave but when we speak out against this sort of thing we are often severely punished.

And I'm tired of hearing "victims are lying or embellishing their story" ... It's just so dismissive and upsetting. I can tell everyone who who has said things like this on this thread never experienced any type of abuse.

Involving LE in situations regarding sex work is extremely tricky. I've heard of girls who went to the police after reporting an assault and had cash money taken away from them or were laughed at. LE is often not on our side.

The funny thing about what you're saying is, even if going to autorities is a traumatic process, its because of Clementine deposition that XO got takken down, every damn deposition stacked themselves up enough to build a case to arrive to that conclusion. So yeah, pusshing for people to see the police and autorities is absolutely the thing to do. Furthermore, transform the legal process so it's more victims friendly also the thing to do. Both can be pushed for at the same time.

 

[RobertNYC]

Sorry, don’t read much French and cannot get the whole story, lol

Just found it’s really low to dig up and agency closed six month ago to write a piece, since. There won’t any opposite of “ the story “

More over, if the dude ( whom I think has a good chance used XO many times) really think the girls are victims, then post their photo does nothing but victimize them a second time.

There are so many different kind of lonely people out there, pastors, cops, judges, journalists, you name it and I won’t be surprised them number pop out on an agency’s call log.

As one owner told me before:

“My favourite sob story quote from it is « A father found her daughter by accident on an esc website and booked her to beg her to stop » …. Nah he was trying to book a girl and then got scandaled by the fact girls like this could be his daughter! « By accident » yeah ok ”

Nobody will ever see a call log. And as I said, it’s difficult to determine facts from a sensational article such as this.

Victims can embellish and bask in the limelight. Prosecutors trump up charges. Agency owners will say or do anything to defend past heinous actions. The truth is in there somewhere, and it may only be revealed when everyone involved in this story is the next big Canadian influencer.

I don’t mean to sound cynical, but look around.

 

[LeDodo]

Forgive me. I had to use Google translate. Smart move by you not to return. Instincts are good guides.

And sorry to say, but if this XO escort knew abuse and r— were happening feet from here, and she did nothing, she didn’t have “good character” as you say.

The French having "character" means she was kind of tough. Meaning she didn't look frail, fragile or easily be bullied.

 

[LeDodo]

“My favourite sob story quote from it is « A father found her daughter by accident on an esc website and booked her to beg her to stop » …. Nah he was trying to book a girl and then got scandaled by the fact girls like this could be his daughter! « By accident » yeah ok ”

It was my 1st thought too ...

 

[RobertNYC]

The French having "character" means she was kind of tough. Meaning she didn't look frail, fragile or easily be bullied.

So sorry. Lost in translation. Got it!

 

[LeDodo]

I can tell everyone who who has said things like this on this thread never experienced any type of abuse.

As for escorts reporting or not reporting abuse they see, well, that’s a moral dilemma. But my opinion is when you’re an adult, you have a moral obligation to speak. “I’m scared, or “They won’t believe me” is a cop out. Do not do what you think is right, do what IS right. And the right thing is speaking up for the victim in your midst, within your company when she’s being physically abused. Sorry, that’s basic humanity at its core.

If you’re old enough to vote, to go into the military, you’re mature enough to do the right thing and call out rape and abuse if it actually occurred.

Whether LE will listen, won’t listen, take your money. Just do the right thing and TRY to stop the abuse.

It's always easy to have a good judgement or be courageous or very smart.

But to Luna's point, if you didn't experience it it's always easier.

 

[RobertNYC]

It's always easy to have a good judgement or be courageous or very smart.

But to Luna's point, if you didn't experience it it's always easier.

It’s seldom easy to do the right thing in these circumstances. But if we’re not reporting r— or assault because LE may confiscate money or an escort claim won’t be deemed credible, we’ve lost our humanity.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

We agree to disagree. Yes, victims can and do embellish stories. You may find it insulting, but you’re living in a cave to think that never happens. It absolutely does, and it happens well outside this industry. I have enough friends who are cops who give countless stories. And prosecutors lead these victims to use words that carry certain legal weight. I’m not saying definitely that’s the case here, but often it is.

As for escorts reporting or not reporting abuse they see, well, that’s a moral dilemma. But my opinion is when you’re an adult, you have a moral obligation to speak. “I’m scared, or “They won’t believe me” is a cop out. Do not do what you think is right, do what IS right. And the right thing is speaking up for the victim in your midst, within your company when she’s being physically abused. Sorry, that’s basic humanity at its core.

If you’re old enough to vote, to go into the military, you’re mature enough to do the right thing and call out rape and abuse if it actually occurred.

Whether LE will listen, won’t listen, take your money. Just do the right thing and TRY to stop the abuse.

It's also up to men not to rape, coerce and abuse women by taking advantage of certain systems. Cops don't always tell the truth. I have civilian friends who reported rape to the police and were not taken seriously. One of my friends went through a horribly traumatic process only to have the case dropped. It took me a week of online research to find out who her rapist was and to find other victims who didn't want to get involved because they were scared or didn't want to go through more trauma.

It's incredibly traumatic to report abuse and rape. It's not hard to understand that.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

The funny thing about what you're saying is, even if going to autorities is a traumatic process, its because of Clementine deposition that XO got takken down, every damn deposition stacked themselves up enough to build a case to arrive to that conclusion. So yeah, pusshing for people to see the police and autorities is absolutely the thing to do. Furthermore, transform the legal process so it's more victims friendly also the thing to do. Both can be pushed for at the same time.

Maybe that's true. But Clementine is no longer active as a sex worker. A lot of the girls who worked at xo are indies now or work for other establishments. Like I said earlier in the thread she is a "perfect victim". If she was still a sex worker she would be trashed by the public and not believed. A jury also is less likely to take her testimony seriously.

I do admit that there is a certain tone and an agenda behind it but that doesn't mean most of it is a lie.

 

[RobertNYC]

It's also up to men not to rape, coerce and abuse women by taking advantage of certain systems. Cops don't always tell the truth. I have civilian friends who reported rape to the police and were not taken seriously. One of my friends went through a horribly traumatic process only to have the case dropped.

I can’t disagree with anything you said there.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

It’s seldom easy to do the right thing in these circumstances. But if we’re not reporting r— or assault because LE may confiscate money or an escort claim won’t be deemed credible, we’ve lost our humanity.

Do you have any empathy for victims at all?????
I can't believe what I'm reading here!!!!

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I could respond with countless personal stories when I lost friends and family members and was isolated because of denouncing... As well as stories of countless women I know. But I don't want my entire weekend ruined and I'm tired of this. This whole situation is already upsetting enough on its own.

 

[TheJames101]

It was my 1st thought too ...

It wasn't the case with the Clementine story though. He literally had a letter written to her in the envelope with the money. He didn't think she would come with him, so he intended to leave the letter, the money, and leave.

 

[RobertNYC]

Do you have any empathy for victims at all?????
I can't believe what I'm reading here!!!!

Don’t take this the wrong way, but it seems as if I have significantly more empathy than you.

I’m clearly saying if an escort or even client has first hand knowledge a rape occurred on premises, then report it. Don’t hide behind “they may not believe me” or “they might take my money,” which you said happens. I’m saying do the right thing and let chips fall as they may.

Any client or escort who knew a rape or assault occurred and did nothing is somewhat culpable

And I’d hate to say it, but as for your post, I can’t believe what I’m reading.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Don’t take this the wrong way, but it seems as if I have significantly more empathy than you.

I’m clearly saying if an escort or even client has first hand knowledge a rape occurred on premises, then report it. Don’t hide behind “they may not believe me” or “they might take my money,” which you said happens. I’m saying do the right thing and let chips fall as they may.

Any client or escort who knew a rape or assault occurred and did nothing is somewhat culpable

And I’d hate to say it, but as for your post, I can’t believe what I’m reading.

You truly don't understand and what you're telling me is insanely insulting. Shame on you. You have never been raped, and you should not be talking to me this way.

All I've been doing is call out practices and assaults on this thread. I have called out clients before and got threats and backlash. Imagine if organized crime is involved in this situation.

You didn't read anything I said.

You have no idea what the process for denouncing your own assault to the police is. If you knew you would understand why people don't do it. Also saying that people will be taken seriously by coming to the police with something they witnessed of heard is really foolish.

Maybe inform yourself a bit more about what victims of abuse go through instead of this common misogynistic discourse that we're all lying princesses who can send anybody to jail by snapping fingers

 

[RobertNYC]

You truly don't understand and what you're telling me is insanely insulting. Shame on you. You have never been raped and you have the fucking nerve to talk to me like this.

You’re right, I haven’t been raped. But if I had any knowledge that you or anyone was raped in a room right next to me, I would immediately go the police regardless of the consequences (at least I’d like to think I would).

I’d hope I wouldn’t say, well, the police may not believe me, I may be asked too many questions etc. I’d hope I would report and not let someone be raped again and again.

Maybe there is something getting lost in translation here, but I’m clearly saying, if you’re an agency client or an agency escort, and you know someone in your midst is being r—-, then report it.

If reporting a rape you know about to police is controversial, that’s fucked up and demonic.