NY Gov Spitzer linked to Prostitution Ring
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Taking Things Further
CR's post is interesting.
Spitzer helped prosecute other escort rings BUT did he turn a blind eye to this one?
Emperor VIP was around for a long time AND a previous post implied a deep discount for Gov. Spitzer.
CaptRenault said:I couldn't be happier about this news.
Spitzer has always impressed me as a hyprocrite, a grandstander, a bully and an egomaniac. The fact that he helped prosecute other escort rings in the past makes this news doubly satisfying.
However, I'm definitely not happy to learn that state and federal law enforcement officials have wasted countless hours and dollars investigating and prosecuting individuals who pose absolutely no risk to public safety, when they should be spending their time pursuing Islamic extremists and violent criminals.
CR's post is interesting.
Spitzer helped prosecute other escort rings BUT did he turn a blind eye to this one?
Emperor VIP was around for a long time AND a previous post implied a deep discount for Gov. Spitzer.
Its called "Karma"Special K said:
I agree with CaptRenault...Spitzer was a grandstander, bully and egomaniac. He was relentless in his pursuit of justice and morality going after people, often resorting to personal and classless attacks. It's like GG telling us all that all Escorts hate their jobs then loggin off and calling one....
Banger
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Hello all,
Funny how often the truest believers in a crusade of some sort are the ones who betray that mission and are found with their own hands in the proverbial cookie jar. Soon we may be hearing the familiar refrain quoting Jimmy Swaggart, "lord I have sinned". Another wannabe messiah of morality bites the dust. Oh savior...heal thyself.
And on it goes,
Korbel
Funny how often the truest believers in a crusade of some sort are the ones who betray that mission and are found with their own hands in the proverbial cookie jar. Soon we may be hearing the familiar refrain quoting Jimmy Swaggart, "lord I have sinned". Another wannabe messiah of morality bites the dust. Oh savior...heal thyself.
And on it goes,
Korbel
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Spitzer is being crucified on the NYC Boards by the NYC hobbyists, mainly for his hypocrisy in busting up some agencies while he was himself a hobbyist. However, I am told that if he resigns, the Lieutenant Governor is a knucklehead, and could be a whole lot worse than Spitzer.
In his press conference Spitzer said he needed ``time`` with his family, the translation of which means he needs time to assess the fallout and figure out how he can survive this. Ordinarily I would say if Clinton could get a TCIM in the White House and survive, then Spitzer, who is paying for the sex with a nonemployee and is engaging in more of an arm`s length transaction, should also be able to survive, but the problem is the hypocrisy factor with the prior prostitution busts. The NYC folks are not going to let that go. He is done politically and I think he will resign within 48 hours.
He will still have the money to hobby and will now be able to go back to the real estate business and do so more freely. So a quick resignation may be a good thing for him if he does not want to give up the hobbying.
CR, I have friends who work at the FBI and they don`t normally care about escort agencies unless a federal crime is involved.
In his press conference Spitzer said he needed ``time`` with his family, the translation of which means he needs time to assess the fallout and figure out how he can survive this. Ordinarily I would say if Clinton could get a TCIM in the White House and survive, then Spitzer, who is paying for the sex with a nonemployee and is engaging in more of an arm`s length transaction, should also be able to survive, but the problem is the hypocrisy factor with the prior prostitution busts. The NYC folks are not going to let that go. He is done politically and I think he will resign within 48 hours.
He will still have the money to hobby and will now be able to go back to the real estate business and do so more freely. So a quick resignation may be a good thing for him if he does not want to give up the hobbying.
CR, I have friends who work at the FBI and they don`t normally care about escort agencies unless a federal crime is involved.
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Affidavit Details
Here are some interesting details from the affidavit that the Feds unsealed. It would seem that Spitzer paid $4300 for a 2.5 hour date, so there was not much of a "Governor's Discount" after all. It also seems that he paid all that money not knowing exactly which girl he would be seeing!!!!!!!!!
The salacious details, from CNN:
"According to the affidavit, defendant Temeka Rachelle Lewis -- who is accused of working as a booking agent for the club -- wrote a text message Monday, February 11, asking the operation's day-to-day organizer to "pls let me know if (Client 9's) 'package' arrives 2mrw. Appt wd be on Wed." Prosecutors say the message was a reference to a deposit.
On Tuesday, according to the affidavit, Lewis sent a message to Kristen, saying Client 9's deposit had not arrived but she should be able to "do the trip" if it arrived the next day.
In a later conversation, Lewis and Kristen discussed when the prostitute could take a train from New York's Penn Station to Washington's Union Station, the affidavit says. Client 9 would be "paying for everything -- train tickets, cab fare from the hotel and back, mini bar or room service, travel time, and hotel."
The affidavit says that, about 5 p.m. Tuesday, February 12, Lewis spoke with Client 9 on the telephone and told him that his "package arrived today." The client asked Lewis whom he would be meeting and, when told it was Kristen, said, "Great, OK, wonderful."
The two discussed how the woman would get a key to his room for a Wednesday rendezvous and how they could arrange credit for future services.
"Client 9 asked Lewis to remind him what Kristen looked like and Lewis said that she was an American, petite, very pretty brunette, 5 feet 5 inches and 105 pounds," the affidavit reads.
In a call to Lewis, Client 9 was told the balance would be $2,712.41, but Lewis suggested he give Kristen $1,500 or $2,000 more so that he would have a credit.
According to the affidavit, Kristen called Lewis about 9:32 p.m. Wednesday, February 13, and told her she was in Client 9's room -- number 871 -- at the Washington hotel.
Four minutes later, Client 9 was in the hotel, Lewis told Kristen in another call.
No more calls were logged until 12:02 a.m. Thursday -- Valentine's Day -- nearly 2½ hours later. At that time, Kristen told Lewis Client 9 had left and she had collected $4,300.
Lewis told the prostitute she'd been told that Client 9 "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think are safe -- you know -- I mean that ... very basic things," the affidavit says.
Kristen told Lewis, "I have a way of dealing with that. ... I'd be like, listen dude, you really want the sex?"
"I don't think he's difficult," Kristen is quoted as saying. "I mean it's just kind of like ... whatever ... I'm here for a purpose. I know what my purpose is. I am not a ... moron, you know what I mean."
Here are some interesting details from the affidavit that the Feds unsealed. It would seem that Spitzer paid $4300 for a 2.5 hour date, so there was not much of a "Governor's Discount" after all. It also seems that he paid all that money not knowing exactly which girl he would be seeing!!!!!!!!!
The salacious details, from CNN:
"According to the affidavit, defendant Temeka Rachelle Lewis -- who is accused of working as a booking agent for the club -- wrote a text message Monday, February 11, asking the operation's day-to-day organizer to "pls let me know if (Client 9's) 'package' arrives 2mrw. Appt wd be on Wed." Prosecutors say the message was a reference to a deposit.
On Tuesday, according to the affidavit, Lewis sent a message to Kristen, saying Client 9's deposit had not arrived but she should be able to "do the trip" if it arrived the next day.
In a later conversation, Lewis and Kristen discussed when the prostitute could take a train from New York's Penn Station to Washington's Union Station, the affidavit says. Client 9 would be "paying for everything -- train tickets, cab fare from the hotel and back, mini bar or room service, travel time, and hotel."
The affidavit says that, about 5 p.m. Tuesday, February 12, Lewis spoke with Client 9 on the telephone and told him that his "package arrived today." The client asked Lewis whom he would be meeting and, when told it was Kristen, said, "Great, OK, wonderful."
The two discussed how the woman would get a key to his room for a Wednesday rendezvous and how they could arrange credit for future services.
"Client 9 asked Lewis to remind him what Kristen looked like and Lewis said that she was an American, petite, very pretty brunette, 5 feet 5 inches and 105 pounds," the affidavit reads.
In a call to Lewis, Client 9 was told the balance would be $2,712.41, but Lewis suggested he give Kristen $1,500 or $2,000 more so that he would have a credit.
According to the affidavit, Kristen called Lewis about 9:32 p.m. Wednesday, February 13, and told her she was in Client 9's room -- number 871 -- at the Washington hotel.
Four minutes later, Client 9 was in the hotel, Lewis told Kristen in another call.
No more calls were logged until 12:02 a.m. Thursday -- Valentine's Day -- nearly 2½ hours later. At that time, Kristen told Lewis Client 9 had left and she had collected $4,300.
Lewis told the prostitute she'd been told that Client 9 "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think are safe -- you know -- I mean that ... very basic things," the affidavit says.
Kristen told Lewis, "I have a way of dealing with that. ... I'd be like, listen dude, you really want the sex?"
"I don't think he's difficult," Kristen is quoted as saying. "I mean it's just kind of like ... whatever ... I'm here for a purpose. I know what my purpose is. I am not a ... moron, you know what I mean."
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banger said:
My thoughts exactly when I read that quote in the NY Times. If he truly was engaging in BBFS (or trying to) then you've really got to wonder what was going on in his head. It's too bad, because I thought he did some long overdue butt-kicking on Wall St. when he was AG. I haven't followed his career that closely since he was elected gov. however.
How long before the conspiracy freaks start screaming that it's all a set up by Bush/the FBI/Wall St/Big Oil/Opus Dei/the Cub Scouts/etc. to punish him for his actions as AG? They've probably already begun.
I think what happened was that there was discussion about paying ahead for more meetings so they wouldn't run into the problem of getting money to the agency like this time... the phone calls show that the conversations were about whether his payment would reach the agency in time for the Kristen meeting and they wanted to avoid this problem in the future.EagerBeaver said:
The agency said it didn't like to have girls get the money for the agency in advance but would make an exception this time.
The Smoking Gun:
Client-9 (clearly a repeat customer) apparently went to great lengths to arrange the illicit Washington encounter, choosing to mail money in advance to the ring, instead of using a credit card. Client-9, whose conversations were recorded by an FBI wiretap, would not do "traditional wire transferring,"
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Paragragh 80:
LEWIS told Client-9 that she would
give him a final price later, and asked Client-9 whether he could
give "Kristen" "extra funds" at this appointment in order to
avoid payment issues in the future. Client-9 said maybe, and
that he would see if he could do that. LEWIS explained that the
agency did not want a model accepting funds for a future
appointment, but that she was going to make an exception that way
a deposit could be made so that he would have a credit, and they
would not have to "go through this" next time. Client-9 said
perfect, and that he would call her regarding the room number.
Paragraph 81:
Client-9 repeated that his balance was
'2600," and stated that maybe he would give "her," a reference to
"Kristen," '3600" and have a thousand on balance. LEWIS
suggested making it "1500fl more. Client-9 said that would make
it "4100,
Paragraph 84:
LEWIS told "Kristen" that Client-9
should be giving her "extra," and that the extra should be
deposited into-
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banger said:What makes you think he hasnt??? Only 3 hours away....
Besides, maybe he cant get the "governors rate" in Montreal!
Late this afternoon I tried logging onto Eleganza's website and I saw that it was down,then I tried calling them with no answer. My first instinct was that Spitzer was taking 3 hr excursions north to see Eleganza Sp's and Eleganza had gone into hiding /damage control mode.
Then I realized that I had a pretty vivid imagination
and it was just a hosting/ server issue."According to a law enforcement source close to the investigation, the Democratic governor used the alias "George Fox" when meeting with a prostitute."
"The suspicious financial activity was initially reported by a bank to the IRS which, under direction from the Justice Department, brought in the FBI's Public Corruption Squad."
"Prosecutors reportedly have a series of e-mails and wiretapped phone conversations of Spitzer.
In a interview two years ago, Spitzer, then-attorney general, told ABC News he had some advice for people who break the law. "Never talk when you can nod, and never nod when you can wink, and never write an e-mail because it's death. You're giving prosecutors all the evidence we need," he said."
"The suspicious financial activity was initially reported by a bank to the IRS which, under direction from the Justice Department, brought in the FBI's Public Corruption Squad."
"Prosecutors reportedly have a series of e-mails and wiretapped phone conversations of Spitzer.
In a interview two years ago, Spitzer, then-attorney general, told ABC News he had some advice for people who break the law. "Never talk when you can nod, and never nod when you can wink, and never write an e-mail because it's death. You're giving prosecutors all the evidence we need," he said."
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Dee said:
Hey Dee,
I did read the part about Spitzer sending extra money for future credit but that to me is an indication he was not getting any kind of "Governor's Discount." He was getting a "Governor's Courtesy." If he was getting a discount, he would not be sending extra money. Of course, now he will never be able to use this credit with Emperor VIP.
I am confused by the news accounts of who got the money. One account said he was sending the money to the booker via the agency's ops manager. Another account said Kristen left with $4300 cash. I assume the money was wire transferred into an account and Spitzer sent the booker/ops manager proof of that and then withdrew the money when he got to DC. That makes the most sense based on what I have read.
It seems as though Spitzer sans the credit was paying about $1300/hour to see Kristen, and if we assume that this number also included her travel expenses, he was seeing one of the "three diamond" ladies rather than one of the agency stars (if I am not mistaken, their price tiers were determined by 3, 4 or 5 diamonds).
If Spitzer resigns, I wonder if any enterprising Montreal agency owners will send Spitzer/"George Fox" an email telling him they will honor his lost credit with Emperor VIP?
Vicky of XXXtase seems like a physically similar Montreal equivalent to Kristen. A resigned Spitzer can be expected to get a private consulting job somewhere for some think tank or lobby group, making more money than he was as Governor of NY, so if you throw out a $1600 credit that is going to mean possibly a lot more money down the road from Eliot/George.The "Spitzer Credit" also reminded me of the Rumpleforeskin/Taylor controversy. I have never thought it to be a good idea to pay extra as credit for future sessions because you never know what might happen.......the SP could die, get killed, busted or quit the business or the agency goes under, in addition to all the other numerous possibilities.
BTW........I personally feel as though Spitzer should be picking up the tab on the legal fees and defense costs for all four defendants. He is the sole reason why they are now criminally charged.
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Not so easy bein' cheesey
Beav, it's not so easy to do this, as others pointed out. Aside from explaining a trip to Montreal, even if the guv could do it on the sly, it would be impossible for security reasons. About two years ago when Pataki was still governor but considering a run for president, he went out of state for an appearance on occasion. I saw him at one of these and he was with three dudes in suits with squiggly wires going to their ears. One was a driver, the other two were guards. My guess is the NY governors office has its own assigned team of state guards (probably detailed from the NY state police) who have to be with the guv all the time. Assuming he could get away to Montreal even once, he couldn't bring armed guards across the border (not even cops) without a major hassle. So any plans for covert trips were that much more difficult.
And as for those who say its only prostitution, not a big deal or whatever, remember he's the governor of one of the more influential areas of the country. If anybody got dirt on him, think of the potential for bribery. An affair with an intern leaves some wiggle room for plausible deniability (just ask Gary Condit), but when escorts or call girls are involved, that's instant embarrassment a public official would do absolutely anything to avoid. Even Clinton would have had a tough time explaining this one, but since Monica was only an intern, more people are sympathetic towards him. Spitzer should have stuck to banging secretaries at the state Capitol, preferably married ones with an incentive to shut up.
EagerBeaver said:
Beav, it's not so easy to do this, as others pointed out. Aside from explaining a trip to Montreal, even if the guv could do it on the sly, it would be impossible for security reasons. About two years ago when Pataki was still governor but considering a run for president, he went out of state for an appearance on occasion. I saw him at one of these and he was with three dudes in suits with squiggly wires going to their ears. One was a driver, the other two were guards. My guess is the NY governors office has its own assigned team of state guards (probably detailed from the NY state police) who have to be with the guv all the time. Assuming he could get away to Montreal even once, he couldn't bring armed guards across the border (not even cops) without a major hassle. So any plans for covert trips were that much more difficult.
And as for those who say its only prostitution, not a big deal or whatever, remember he's the governor of one of the more influential areas of the country. If anybody got dirt on him, think of the potential for bribery. An affair with an intern leaves some wiggle room for plausible deniability (just ask Gary Condit), but when escorts or call girls are involved, that's instant embarrassment a public official would do absolutely anything to avoid. Even Clinton would have had a tough time explaining this one, but since Monica was only an intern, more people are sympathetic towards him. Spitzer should have stuck to banging secretaries at the state Capitol, preferably married ones with an incentive to shut up.
Spitzer does not have the right to go on ski trips to Mount Tremblant? He could have concocted the Mount Tremblant excuse. Every philandering politician needs a getaway resort. The French President Sarkozy was fucking Carla Bruni at Lake Winnepausaukee, yes it was an official state visit, but Spitzer cannot drive 3 plus hours for a ski getaway if he had decided to do so whenever he wanted? You guys are not thinking creatively, just like Spitzer was not thinking creatively. And that is why he is on the verge of resigning. Had he concocted this excuse, he could have had Devilish or Eleganza or XXXtase sending him girls and they would have had no idea who the fuck he is. Plus, the FBI has no jurisdiction to do anything with those agencies. If Eliot had thought it through, and coordinated with the locals in Quebec, he would not have been touched.
By the ways did you guys know that the Mayflower Hotel, where Spitzer banged Kristen, is also where Bill Clinton banged Lewinsky on more than one occasion? I am thinking Spitzer probably knew this. He is very close with the Clintons.
You all should read today's NY Post. The front page photo shows a clenched jawed Spitzer, with the headline: "Ho No!"
http://www.nypost.com/
By the ways did you guys know that the Mayflower Hotel, where Spitzer banged Kristen, is also where Bill Clinton banged Lewinsky on more than one occasion? I am thinking Spitzer probably knew this. He is very close with the Clintons.
You all should read today's NY Post. The front page photo shows a clenched jawed Spitzer, with the headline: "Ho No!"
http://www.nypost.com/
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Special K said:What's the Rumples/Taylor controversy you speak of Beav? Please enlighten us.
Taylor formerly of CF went indy and then had some kind of deal where you pay in advance and get a $1000 credit towards future sessions.......Rumples took her up on it and later posted to express his dissatisfaction. I can't find his posts. They may have been deleted.
One wonders a bunch of stuff about this. You would think a powerful governor would have access to a lot of women for freebies. And no, there would not necessarily be strings attached.
Why didn't he have a trusted aide handle all the details to lessen the chance of getting his cock caught in the cookie jar? Or caught on the way into it...
The sad fact of the matter is that some people get a big thrill out of that knock coming on the hotel room door. I am one of them, so I would never cast stones. But I cannot for the life of me understand how he could have been so stupid as to have broken the law rather than found another arrangement when he had so much to lose.
Why didn't he have a trusted aide handle all the details to lessen the chance of getting his cock caught in the cookie jar? Or caught on the way into it...
The sad fact of the matter is that some people get a big thrill out of that knock coming on the hotel room door. I am one of them, so I would never cast stones. But I cannot for the life of me understand how he could have been so stupid as to have broken the law rather than found another arrangement when he had so much to lose.
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