Im curious to know what’s your opinion about leolist ?
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LeoList is a very sketchy place.
You can still advertise on LL, but be aware of its drawbacks.
- As a client, there's a good chance you might get scammed.
- As a provider, you might be dealing with tons of idiots, low ballers and time wasters
- Build a website
- Have a social presence
- Become a supporting member on Merb and advertise
You can still advertise on LL, but be aware of its drawbacks.
Leolist and the like is full of scams. And even if you find one that is not a scam most likely it will be poor service or non GFE service. Total waste of time.
Also... Lola... if I understood correctly, you're new, young, and, respectfully, somewhat a bit clueless, which is normal. Be VERY wary of the LL crowd. Some of them are plain dangerous.
You found Merb, which is a step in the right direction. You'll find tons of invaluable information here, as well as lots of support and respect.
You found Merb, which is a step in the right direction. You'll find tons of invaluable information here, as well as lots of support and respect.
You say this, but it's ironic because one her previous post mentioned a client's condom falling off. Your message came too late.
Leolist is pretty much the successor to backpage but a bit better.
There is a way to get "verified" so right away if you check the verified box you remove a lot of scams and garbage advertising. By garbage i mean litterally useless waste of time. For instance someone advertise with the pics of Isabelle Miller, an African-American escort (who may not escort anymore, unsure) but wich is still very present on OF. I see sometimes pics of well known models and pornstars, sometimes with heads cut or blurred but its still obvious its them on the pic and obviously they won't advertise in Montreal for 200$.
But thats not to say Verified is perfect and unverified is only scams. I notice a few verified listing wich look too good to be true and its also possible its really the person on the pic, but does it mean the service will be great or even provided at all? Nope. Verified only mean they verified the pictures. And im sure Leo is likely not gonna go out of their way to find fake pics (aka modified with photoshop or such). Its rather easy for someone with minimal photoshop skills to make a fake pic to be verified.
Now there is also legit escorts who advertise and are not verified. For instance Vandal Vyxen, known pornstar, is really herself and she has been advertising unverified for a while. Mya wich was at Luxury advertise unverified and im pretty sure its her. And for having seen her while she was at Luxury, she provided great services.
BUT IN GENERAL, you can filter a lot of the crap like i said if you only check the verified ads. You still need to "know what you doing". In my case i never booked anyone who only advertise on LL and have 0 record anywhere else. If they have review here or a twitter presence etc then sure. But i need another confirmation source.
I know that merb got a bit of a bad rep with some indies. Its no secret. And im not saying some clients are not to blame. What i gathered from them while complaining about merb is clients being more demanding, sharing sometimes too much in reviews, or even just reviews in general wich they dislike. I can understand their points. But as a guy who started pretty much with merb back then, it stayed my source of "legitness". If a provider advertise here, i know they are real and safe to book. If not they won't advertise long here.
As for me as a client, i like things to be clear, like services provided etc. I will never push any boundaries of course, but i love to know said bounderies before booking because that could very well influence if im booking or not bease on price vs services etc. Not gonna name anyone of course but there is a provider that i would book in a heartbeat if the services were different vs the price asked. But she is clear about what she offer so i respect that. She got the look i love, but not the services. So i don't book and there is no time waste on anyone's part. I notice tough that some indies at the mere mention of what services they provide get a bit offended. Anyway i digrassed a bit there. But hopefully it gives a good picture of merb vs leolist advertising and such.
There is a way to get "verified" so right away if you check the verified box you remove a lot of scams and garbage advertising. By garbage i mean litterally useless waste of time. For instance someone advertise with the pics of Isabelle Miller, an African-American escort (who may not escort anymore, unsure) but wich is still very present on OF. I see sometimes pics of well known models and pornstars, sometimes with heads cut or blurred but its still obvious its them on the pic and obviously they won't advertise in Montreal for 200$.
But thats not to say Verified is perfect and unverified is only scams. I notice a few verified listing wich look too good to be true and its also possible its really the person on the pic, but does it mean the service will be great or even provided at all? Nope. Verified only mean they verified the pictures. And im sure Leo is likely not gonna go out of their way to find fake pics (aka modified with photoshop or such). Its rather easy for someone with minimal photoshop skills to make a fake pic to be verified.
Now there is also legit escorts who advertise and are not verified. For instance Vandal Vyxen, known pornstar, is really herself and she has been advertising unverified for a while. Mya wich was at Luxury advertise unverified and im pretty sure its her. And for having seen her while she was at Luxury, she provided great services.
BUT IN GENERAL, you can filter a lot of the crap like i said if you only check the verified ads. You still need to "know what you doing". In my case i never booked anyone who only advertise on LL and have 0 record anywhere else. If they have review here or a twitter presence etc then sure. But i need another confirmation source.
I know that merb got a bit of a bad rep with some indies. Its no secret. And im not saying some clients are not to blame. What i gathered from them while complaining about merb is clients being more demanding, sharing sometimes too much in reviews, or even just reviews in general wich they dislike. I can understand their points. But as a guy who started pretty much with merb back then, it stayed my source of "legitness". If a provider advertise here, i know they are real and safe to book. If not they won't advertise long here.
As for me as a client, i like things to be clear, like services provided etc. I will never push any boundaries of course, but i love to know said bounderies before booking because that could very well influence if im booking or not bease on price vs services etc. Not gonna name anyone of course but there is a provider that i would book in a heartbeat if the services were different vs the price asked. But she is clear about what she offer so i respect that. She got the look i love, but not the services. So i don't book and there is no time waste on anyone's part. I notice tough that some indies at the mere mention of what services they provide get a bit offended. Anyway i digrassed a bit there. But hopefully it gives a good picture of merb vs leolist advertising and such.
She's the escort, not the client. While being verified might help her secure more bookings, it doesn't shield her from encountering jerks. Also, I disagree on the pricing, majority of people booking on LL are just looking for cheap options, the competition there is intense, but you get what you pay for. Spending $150 versus $300 sets different expectations. Considering she's new and inexperienced in the industry, and doesn't offer BBBJ, what should her rate be? How can she filter out undesirable clients? And where is the best place for her to advertise?
I never thought I'd say this, but Lola should probably look at doing a stint with a reputable agency to learn the ropes. There are just too many risks to manage as an 18 yo indy. And yeah, the "CBJ only" will eventually have to go. Ah! The joys of becoming an escort...
I agree with this opinion at 110%
@AirBo Agreed, but any SP not comfortable with BBBJ should stick by her convictions and not cave to pressure.
Many a successful provider have managed without this particular service (former Euphoria's Violet had solid bookings despite much grumbling on her review thread).
Many a successful provider have managed without this particular service (former Euphoria's Violet had solid bookings despite much grumbling on her review thread).
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I gave a breakdown of the whole thing for both sides of the business. I know she is an escort. Yes LL has some "cheap prices" and yes some clients may seek that from there, but i also seen a bunch of 400-500$ escorts advertise there too. Its not reserved for "cheap prices".
Not necessary. Like i said in my post she is free to have her boundaries and do as she want as long as they are disclosed properly. After that clients are free to book or not base on that restriction with the price asked for. In most "reputed agencies" its true that BBBJ is almost a standard. Its rare they advertise someone do safe-gfe but i seen it a few times. Obviously her bookings number could be lower potentially due to that but thats all her to decide. Same as an indy. She may ask a certain price with a certain service, and maybe she will get bookings a lot, maybe she won't. Im not an expert in that. The keyword for me is DISCLOSURE so clients know what to expect.
I stay very far away from LL. Whenever I was posting on there all I would get was people insulting me and death threats.
Basically paying a lot of money to be called the N word. It really wasn’t worth it. I’m only advertising here on merb, on T ry st and on Twitter.
Basically paying a lot of money to be called the N word. It really wasn’t worth it. I’m only advertising here on merb, on T ry st and on Twitter.
There are other agencies, don’t give up. I wish I could have done that when I was younger but none of them wanted me because I’m black. None except one and the owner ended up in prison so :/
I also started at 18. I reached out to an agency whose owner told me "we have a difficult clientele. I don't think you will make it in this industry"
So I went independent. I still think about what that man told me sometimes and I laugh lol.
Anyway, Lola, if you need advice/guidance from someone who also started very young, feel free to message me! I'd be happy to help with anything.
So I went independent. I still think about what that man told me sometimes and I laugh lol.
Anyway, Lola, if you need advice/guidance from someone who also started very young, feel free to message me! I'd be happy to help with anything.
there was a period in my life where i used to scroll endlessly on the local advertizing websites (annonces intimes, annonces 123, backpage, and then leolist a bit). AFAIAC its a waste of time. I have had no desire to check these websites for years now. I recently got curious and re-tried LL and quickly thought, ''still dont like this''.
Merb is my starting point. And having discovered the MP world, i am constanly checking mp websites. I'm not on X or anything like that. Like Alisha suggested above MPs are a good safe place to get introduced to this world
Merb is my starting point. And having discovered the MP world, i am constanly checking mp websites. I'm not on X or anything like that. Like Alisha suggested above MPs are a good safe place to get introduced to this world
I don't know about other members but I like EI pages.
Pics in profiles are down to earth and it seems there are less scam ads than LL.
They did a pretty good job for the overall site too
Pics in profiles are down to earth and it seems there are less scam ads than LL.
They did a pretty good job for the overall site too
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