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Paying for “extras”

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One of many reasons I prefer seeing Indy’s and repeating with them
I do not want to bargain for condiments like for a hamburger, plus I don’t like dealing with a booker/middle man nor being one of maybe 5 or 6 on that day.
I keep seeing “l love Lucy “ working on the assembly line when I think of agencies,
I don’t want to be one of the donuts being dropped or whatever they were working on.
A lot of indys have assistants handling the booking, and you have no way of knowing how many clients they see in a day anyway
 

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A lot of indys have assistants handling the booking, and you have no way of knowing how many clients they see in a day anyway
Yes I know,
I haven’t seen any of them either.
You are also right about the number of clients although I know for a fact that the ones I am seeing are low volume and due to them having a regular career they do not have time for an assembly line of clients.
I don’t really mind whether I am first that day or the 10th if the hygiene is there and the connection is there, but these ladies are human and get tired.
To each their own I prefer Indys that I know and have a long standing rapport with and I deal with them not their bookers or assistants.
 

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I may be totally wrong about this & of course there are always exceptions but my personal philosophy over the past two decades is that if a lady charges extra to perform or allow whichever ‘service’ it has always given me the impression that she isn’t comfortable doing that particular ‘extra’. Which is why i’ve rarely willingly paid for extras. I never felt like requesting something that the girl was uncomfortable doing. I’d rather reward the lady in the form of a tip for having provided me with a very good, satisfying time.
 

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A lot of indys have assistants handling the booking, and you have no way of knowing how many clients they see in a day anyway
+1

I would argue there's more transparency with an agency girl since her schedule is published. If she is working multiple agencies, it will likely be picked up by MERB.

Just because a girl is agency doesn't mean she is high-volume. I've pretty much only see agency girls and my ATFs are not high volumes. Yes some agency girls show up on predictably on the schedule multiple times per week and multiple weeks but there are also those that show up only twice a week in a month (maybe to make rent. LoL).

I may be totally wrong about this & of course there are always exceptions but my personal philosophy over the past two decades is that if a lady charges extra to perform or allow whichever ‘service’ it has always given me the impression that she isn’t comfortable doing that particular ‘extra’. Which is why i’ve rarely willingly paid for extras. I never felt like requesting something that the girl was uncomfortable doing. I’d rather reward the lady in the form of a tip for having provided me with a very good, satisfying time.

I can't say I subscribe to that. Let's assume she is in the industry for the money. If that is the case and the industry norm is to to charge extra (like greek as an example or even CIM), I don't think she should leave money on the table even if she enjoys it. Again I'm referring to agency girls as indies have have full control of their business model (eg all-inclusive vs a la carte) while agency girls don't.

Furthermore I would even argue that the girls who list out prices for extras (the ones whom some here are saying it is such a turn off for doing that) are the result of being taken advantage by prior johns who didn’t pay extra because she didn’t talk about money up front.

Those johns wrongly assumed it must be free and rationalize not paying with “she must have been comfortable/enjoyed it” when in reality what she didn’t find comfortable was having to talk about how much and potentially having to haggle for the extra.

IME the new girls are the ones who don’t like to talk about how much. Sooner or later they wise up and start listing prices up front.
 
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I used to have a roaster of civilians, but I wouldn’t wish that even on my worst enemy. The roaster barely produced enough fucks for me keep it up. Any girl that fluttered her eyes at me or needed help with something, was immediately added. I didn’t know how to distinguish between good vs. bad leads.

If I ever get a Tinder account, I would hire a virtual assistant from the Philippines to swipe and message, a professional photographer, and a social media expert to get me followers and engagement on my account. An estimated cost of $5,000 over a span of 6 months, and I can generate X number of leads. Then there’s the conversion from leads to dates, and then dates to fucks.

For the same investment, I can bang 20 outrageously smoking hot chicks in fully furnished condos. And, the best part, I don’t have to arrange or manage shit. XO and @Euphoria Girls have completely changed Hobbying. They transformed brothels and whore houses into Palacios Harem for the Kings. They made it classy. They made it cool. They changed my life.

Paying money for sex makes it visceral. In fact, it makes it too real. It’s like finding out for the very first time that all professional athletes are on steroids or that professional wrestling is fake. Fucking is no longer some coveted mysterious fairytale achieved by the Chads and Tyrones. For a small and affordable price, you can fulfill your fantasy and move the fuck on. I am not going there to find a partner to get a 30-year mortgage with and breed children to feed to the indoctrination centers.

I never tip and I never pay for extras. I never have and I never will. For me, the monetary funds are exchanged to bypass the bull shit. I never ask the booker if the girl offers any particular service. If a girl ever pauses in the middle of the act to mention price then I always opt out. I use my 60 minutes to hone my game, not check-off fantasies from a bucket list. This allowed me to learn how to speak without opening my mouth. I'll get services without ever asking or pausing. It is seamless. Again, this took years to learn. Sometimes, I only say “Hi” after I’m done fucking. And, all of these skill sets are fully transferable to other areas of your life.

For those that just want to get their money’s worth, ask the bookers. They are usually very helpful. However, it’s still YMMV. And, if you go see girls from Ann123 or LL, then you’re a brave soul and my prayers are always with you.
 
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Personally i enjoy finishing my session with CIM/COF. I try to book ladies that i know offer it, either as listed on the agency website or by reviews. When she arrive i deal the specific at the beginning of the session. I ask her right a way if i can finish in CIM or COF and usually she will say "yes for an extra xx$". If she does not tell me an ammount, i consider she is just ok with it and its included. If she says nothing and i do it, then she ask for more, i wouldn't feel bad to say "you didn't told me it was gonna cost more".

When it comes to greek, its not something i usually pursue but from experience they like to know in advance. If im gonna ask for it and its lets say extra 80$, my view on that is that the extra will be paid AT THE END anyway, not at the start. So if for some reason i can't do it or charge my mind, im not paying it. Same for cim, i mean if yes she agree to do it for an extra 40 but for some unknown reason i loose it and it does not happen, i am not paying it as the cim didn't happened... Its just normal thing.

In the past when i was using Goodgirls and it was standard on their website to have cim listed as extra 40, i would always include it, but then one girl told me she wouldn't do it, so at that point i was thinking about adjusting the money but she said COF was fine tough. So ok i don't touch it, wanted the cof, but then she cum dodged at the end and didn't get much on face. Honestly if the money wouldn't had been in it already, i wouldn't had put it in.

Nowadays i only put the hour fee in the envelope, but i know how much i have in my wallet and if we agree on extras i just add them at the end while she is in the bathroom or such. Or if im not alone long enough i just tell her straight (let me get that extra)

For indies since we communicate directly i try to ask all the specifics by mail or phone. Some are not fans of answered "explicit questions" but its a normal step in a business for me. I usually mention i like to "finish in porno style" and if she is ok with it. And if yes i ask if i should bring extra $ or not. If she does not say anything i consider its in the price. At 400$ an hour i feel everything she is willing to do should be included... I don't go over 400$ personally. Maybe in 2-3 years i may ok to push it to 500 if its someone i truly crazy lust over, but not in the near futur.

Its true dealing extras etc may be a bit of an unorganic start to a "GFE" but its the nature of the business. I feel its just better if things are clear from the get go. I personally find arousement in thinking during blowjob/sex that i will do cim or cof later. If it would remain an unknown it would stress me during the session and if im ready to cum and ask "can i cum in your mouth" and its a no, i would be disapointed, in a different way than getting a clear no at the start. Pretty much the same way as anticipating something fun being cancel at the last minute is much more an annoyance than simply being unable to schedule it, if you get what i mean.
 

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When it comes to greek, its not something i usually pursue but from experience they like to know in advance. If im gonna ask for it and its lets say extra 80$, my view on that is that the extra will be paid AT THE END anyway, not at the start. So if for some reason i can't do it or charge my mind, im not paying it
But as you state, most girls ask to know in advance, and there is a good reason for that: they need to prep for professional anal experience with no bad surprise happening. So if, while booking, you specify visiting greek islands, you will have to pay her for it, regardless if, by your choice, it happens or not. Its only normal to compensate her for the extra hassle she went through just to be ready for it.
 

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Furthermore I would even argue that the girls who list out prices for extras (the ones whom some here are saying it is such a turn off for doing that) are the result of being taken advantage by prior johns who didn’t pay extra because she didn’t talk about money up front.

Those johns wrongly assumed it must be free and rationalize not paying with “she must have been comfortable/enjoyed it” when in reality what she didn’t find comfortable was having to talk about how much and potentially having to haggle for the extra.

IME the new girls are the ones who don’t like to talk about how much. Sooner or later they wise up and start listing prices up front.
I would agree with Greek as being something that an extra would be requested as she has to make special preparation.
Other than that the rest I totally disagree with and if she asks for extra it is nothing more than wanting more money ( which is understandable but still a total turn off for me) because obviously she is not opposed to doing it.
I have no problem with a girl not wanting to do any particular item like CIM, COB or even BBBJ as long as she is up front about it, she sets the rules and I will abide by them if I agree to see her but I will not bargain for extras, that is uncomfortable and makes me feel like an ATM which is definitely not what I am there for. Yes it is about money for them nobody is that naive to think otherwise or shouldn’t be but there is no reason to rub it in, you are there for a fantasy not to be reminded repeatedly that she is only doing it for $$$$.
 
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I would agree with Greek as being something that an extra would be requested as she has to make special preparation.
Other than that the rest I totally disagree with and if she asks for extra it is nothing more than wanting more money ( which is understandable but still a total turn off for me) because obviously she is not opposed to doing it.
I have no problem with a girl not wanting to do any particular item like CIM, COB or even BBBJ as long as she is up front about it, she sets the rules and I will abide by them if I agree to see her but I will not bargain for extras, that is uncomfortable and makes me feel like an ATM which is definitely not what I am there for. Yes it is about money for them nobody is that naive to think otherwise or shouldn’t be but there is no reason to rub it in, you are there for a fantasy not to be reminded repeatedly that she is only doing it for $$$$.
The escort industry is not regulated. As such, it is subject to competition and supply/demand. In such a market, provider don't charge what it cost to produce; provider charges what the market is willing to bear. This axiom applies to extras being discussed here, as well as goods and services whether it is airline tickets, appliances, clothing, dining out, theme park tickets etc.

If you partake in extras, you're paying for it one way or another either under a more expensive all-inclusive model (eg independents) or an a-la-carte model (agencies).

As long as some of an agency girl's clients don't voluntary include an appropriate tip for the extra, it is inevitable she will eventually discuss associated fees going forward. Sooner or later, she will be aware of industry standard and arrive at the conclusion that if she doesn't bring up fees (at some point during the encounter), then she is only short changing herself with no one self to blame. She can either bring it up unsolicited (I agree it is turnoff) or she brings it up when client ask about the extra service.

What's industry standard as inclusive or an extra is subject to change. It is dependent on what the competition is willing to include at base agency fee. There's nothing preventing an agency to decide tomorrow to go all-inclusive and raise their rates by $$$ but all their girls will include CIM/COB/face fuck/greek at this new fee. They'll have to deal with turnover but I'm sure some girls will stay.
 
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@transatlantic
I agree with what you are saying.
This is why I prefer seeing Indies, it is stated on their web sight what they are comfortably doing and what if any are extras.
I don’t mind the fact that Indies tend to be more expensive, I like the individual attention and to deal directly with the provider.
I select the Indies that offer what I like as their basic or GFE or call it what you like service and don’t have to deal with the uncomfortable situation of bargaining over extras. I am usually very easy to please as I am not into Greek.
I have a select group of Indies with whom we treat each other with kindness and I know for sure each time I will have a fabulous time.
I am not really into trying as many different women from different agency’s and playing the game of selecting extras.
I guess to each their own we all have different preferences.
 

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But as you state, most girls ask to know in advance, and there is a good reason for that: they need to prep for professional anal experience with no bad surprise happening. So if, while booking, you specify visiting greek islands, you will have to pay her for it, regardless if, by your choice, it happens or not. Its only normal to compensate her for the extra hassle she went through just to be ready for it.
You do have a point in that specific aspect but what i meant was asking at the beginning of a session instead of mid-session out of the blue. Like i said im not usually fond of it but once i was with a girl that would allow it and as i was doggy with her i asked if i could do it for an extra. She said i should have ask at the beginning so she could give me the "whole thing better" or something like that.

Another thing a while ago i was with a girl that was super open to a lot of things and asked all her prices, including greek, but i told her i wasn't sure if i would partook, i just asked if i wanted to at some point if it was ok and for how much wich she said yes and for xx, but i didn't ended up doing it.

Thats what i meant, not asking by mail or such and having her do specific preparations for me.
 
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