Percentage of Hobbyist who TIP

[breadman]

you are a repeater

Its been called many things but never a 'repeater'...

Not happy with guys who tip? Thought never crossed my mind...was more curious what they did if the service wasnt worth the amount of the tip they had already enclosed in the 'envelope'.

So Just ass weet...just why did you raise your rates? And from Maxima's post it looks like you have different rates for locals...is this true?

 

[Just-ass-weet]

But you did raise your rates for locals, did you not? Now, this is the first time ever that you assure us that the raise had nothing to do with the "tip".
And I always thought that automatic tipping cause inflation.

No, actually, my current rate of 200$ here in Montreal has been the same for almost 2 yrs (since Nov 2004), and those that had met me before have always been grandfathered along - before that it was 175$ (since 2003) and 1 yr prior was 150$. Why did I raise my rates almost 2 years ago? Because I only see 3 clients a week here, maybe, and I like it like that. I also give much better rates to multi-hours over 1 hour dates, because that is what I prefer.

And, no, BM, Maxima is referring to different rates for when I travel and when I am home... here in Montreal my rate is actually less then when I tour and I make no distinction between locals and visitors.

xoxox
Anik

 

[General Gonad]

GG...

I wonder which gal(s) have really fucked you over for you to realize and feel this way. It is all about living and enjoying the moment with an amazing gal and let it be that. I wouldn't take a bullet for her nor do I want her to do that for me. That would be quite silly.

K-man,

Nobody has fucked me over; I just realize more than ever that this is a business first and foremost. SPs do not do anything for free and even when it seems free, it really isn't. I do not mind playing the game and I help anyone that needs my help.

But I am through lying to myself about how you can develop a "special' bond with an SP. You can have a good time, share some laughs, share some interesting conversations, but you simply cannot share more than that in any way shape or form.

>>breadman,

Back to the thread. I will admit that I used to tip everyone by handing over the enveloppe at the beginning of the session with the tip. I hate the financial aspect of it so I want to get itover with as soon as possible.

But I also quickly gained the reputation of being a complete and utter sucker for doing this. Now, thinking back, it was a dumb move on my part. Why not reserve a tip for someone who you truly feel deserves it? I probably shouldn't have given tips to roughly a third of the ladies I've met.

Today I had lunch with a fellow hobbyist who also does not tip. He had a very good point: "...unlike you and me, these ladies get everything clear; they pay no taxes on that money." He added: "...even Anik admitted that tips have nothing to do with the level of service you're getting so why bother tipping?"

While I agree with him for indies that charge $500 and more for two hour sessions, I still feel that if I meet an agency lady that knocks my socks off, I will tip her. In fact, I met one tonight and I gladly tipped her at the end of the session.

(Review is pending in a few days...stay tuned).

GG

 

[General Gonad]

If there is a "special" bond as you call it, you wouldn't like that shit anyways. It would totally ruin things. Trust me from personal experience.

I trust you bro and I will tip you accordingly for the free advice!

GG

 

[Just-ass-weet]

"...even Anik admitted that tips have nothing to do with the level of service you're getting so why bother tipping?"

GG

Well, if I said it it must be true! lol!

I, and many other ladies, give everyone we meet our all... that is why tipping cannot affect the service, we give it our everything, no holds barred. Thus, tipping, is for those who want to show a recognition that someone has gone the extra mile. Simple.

How much she makes shouldn't be the issue, but definitely, if I were a client and I met an agency SP, I would tip her... I think the amount an agency takes is deplorable. Especially for MPs!

GG - Special bonds - the only bonds I like are savings bonds, and even they aren't on my high list! lol!

xoxox
Anik

 

[General Gonad]

A clarification on my earlier message...

I have to clarify something here. I have met SPs for lunch and I enjoyed it. The two SPs I met were Anik and Karma. I did not find this to be a waste of emotional capital at all. In fact, I enjoyed meeting them and conversing with them.

But I guess that lately I am asking myself a lot of questions. If I go for lunch with an SP, there is a risk that I get too close with someone. This is where the boundaries get blurred and you start developing feelings for someone that you know you shouldn't be developing.

That is why I am strongly against taking trips with SPs. No matter how tough you think you are, you're going to get hurt. I have seen some hobbyists that engage in these activities and they get so blinded by the reality.

Now a lunch or dinner might seem harmless but if you find yourself doing it often, you're risking your emotional state. This almost happened to me but I pulled away and came to my senses.

Boundaries must be maintained when engaging in this hobby. If you tip because you felt she deserves it, that is fine. If you tip because you think you're going to be treated like a "special' client, you're a fool.

GG

 

[korbel]

Repeats

Hello all,

I don't get to Montreal often. With so many hot new ladies every few months it gets tough to resist "exploration". So in my situation I am not likely to be able to tip by repeating.

As for inflation, I wonder if those who are so worried about it are focusing on the least expensive but respectable agencies and SPs. If you have been with those who cost more than $150 per hour, which seems to be at or near the standard low rate for respectable agencies, then you are also causing inflation. Are you Breadman and others who think tipping is inflationary sticking to the lowest cost respectable agencies. Or are you going to those at 180, 200, or 250 per hour??? If you want to be a stickler about the causes of inflation then you have to do your part all of the time. The inflationary aspects of tipping are irrelevant if you are supporting these middle agencies or perhaps...yikes...going to the HDHs.

I respect other peoples opinions and I have no real quarrel with those who say tipping is a bad idea. But one has to remember the ladies are not, plumbers, electricians, auto mechanics, etc as one person mentioned. They are women giving their most intimate physical being to you, and often sharing other personal aspects of their person. Yes, they can set their rates and that might seem enough in a strictly business sense. But you will never get the gifts a good SP gives you from your plumbers, electricians, auto mechanics, etc. Considering that, I do not understand the gripes over saying thanks to the lady who make you feel sensational with a little extra. A good SP is givng you your fantasy when you probably can't get it elsewhere.

Well, if you are a truly business minded person and believe the lady should ask what she expects in total in her rates then your refusal to tip makes sense in principle. Of course she can usually choose what agency to work at, and she certainly knows the rates she will get. She can probably walk away if she wants, so it's her choice and there should be no issue with tipping. Yes, there is business principle and there are her choices. But there is also a point where someone is just being plain cheap. I hope the latter is not you.

Happy meetings,

Korbel

 

[Robin]

Why is her social time more valuable than the client's? Isn't the client interesting to talk to?

One way to explain it is that the escort's social time has market value. I know agencies that charged $150-$200/hr when the time is in the hotel roon and $100/hr when it is outside in a social setting. If you advertise offering your interesting company for a fee, you will discover that your social time has little market value.

I don't understand GG's problem with investing emotional capital on social dates. It may be that I have a shallower personality and enjoy the lady's company at a more superficial level.

 

[HonestAbe]

Tipping is for exceptional service only

If I get exceptional service from an LDL girl I'll ask before she leaves if she accepts tips. If she says yes I will hand it too her myself. Why on Earth anyone would include it in the envelope before the encounter is beyond me considering some of the ripoffs that have been reported here as to the level of service received by some clients.

I don't tip HDH girls because IMO they charge the big bucks for providing exceptional service beyond what most other girls provide. There is absolutely nothing wrong with rewarding someone for service "above and beyond" the norm. I think this might bother some pimps because they might see this as building a girls confidence which could encourage her to go out on her own or turn HDH. After all the idea is to keep her dependent on the agency right? Just a thought.

 

[General Gonad]

I don't understand GG's problem with investing emotional capital on social dates. It may be that I have a shallower personality and enjoy the lady's company at a more superficial level.

Bingo...I hate superficiality so I generally try to get into it on a deeper level. I guess if you are able to keep it superficial, then these social dates are fine.

GG

 

[General Gonad]

I don't tip HDH girls because IMO they charge the big bucks for providing exceptional service beyond what most other girls provide. There is absolutely nothing wrong with rewarding someone for service "above and beyond" the norm. I think this might bother some pimps because they might see this as building a girls confidence which could encourage her to go out on her own or turn HDH. After all the idea is to keep her dependent on the agency right? Just a thought.

HonestAbe,

Screw the pimps and agency owners who frown on tips. I don't care if they do not like tips because it's none of their business. If anything, they should be happy that she's getting tips because it signals the client was pleased and will likely repeat.

GG

 

[Salmacis]

and those that had met me before have always been grandfathered along - before that it was 175$ (since 2003) and 1 yr prior was 150$.

...and for those that met you before 2002, is there a great grandfather clause?

 

[Just-ass-weet]

...and for those that met you before 2002, is there a great grandfather clause?

Are you trying to get me in trouble with Maxima and Breadman again - before I get asked, I worked for an agency back then that charged 140$(?) (it was PL)

 

[breadman]

I don't get to Montreal often. With so many hot new ladies every few months it gets tough to resist "exploration". So in my situation I am not likely to be able to tip by repeating.

As for inflation, I wonder if those who are so worried about it are focusing on the least expensive but respectable agencies and SPs. If you have been with those who cost more than $150 per hour, which seems to be at or near the standard low rate for respectable agencies, then you are also causing inflation. Are you Breadman and others who think tipping is inflationary sticking to the lowest cost respectable agencies. Or are you going to those at 180, 200, or 250 per hour??? If you want to be a stickler about the causes of inflation then you have to do your part all of the time. The inflationary aspects of tipping are irrelevant if you are supporting these middle agencies or perhaps...yikes...going to the HDHs.

K Dog,
I stick to the LDH's almost 95% of the time. Rarely will put out more than $180 unless I see something that I must have. Im not in Montreal that much myself lately (two Germany runs)...but if I have a great time Im almost sure to rebook before leaving. Instead of giving out $40 to $60 in a tip, i'll add another $100 and see her again before leaving. She's not going to have to face another stranger (at least for one call) and your not going to have to wonder what the girl is going to be like...win win situation.

Inflation...Tipping isnt going to drive up the rates of the agency's...they dont see a dime of the tip. Tipping will make the girl look at the higher priced agencys in order to make her amount (her cut plus her best tips). So tipping doesnt cause inflation...it drives escorts out of the LDH market into the HDH sector. Look at Samantha of Eleganza...she took off to make more money. But now she's back. Could the extra tips she received while working in the LDH sector given her the motivation to look for more money?

 

[Salmacis]

Are you trying to get me in trouble with Maxima and Breadman again

Not at all Anik, just visiting the past for a moment

 

[korbel]

Yes...SCREW the pimps.

Hello all,

"Screw the pimps and agency owners who frown on tips. I don't care if they do not like tips because it's none of their business. If anything, they should be happy that she's getting tips because it signals the client was pleased and will likely repeat." GG

EXACTLY!!! Screw the pimps. I have heard from numerous ladies how they or their associates have been run ragged with back to back to back bookings like the owner was throwing hamburgers to customers at a fast food window. Even with HDH agencies the story is much the same. Some extremely well known high end ladies who have traveled to Boston have said how the owners attempt to book them from 10:00 in the morning to 10:00 at night or even later. Once, when I met a lady of an HDH agency, on time as scheduled, she still had a client in the room with her. So obviously, all that charm, poise, sophistcation, and unique qualities you are paying for with an HDH in such a case is likely to be presented to you right after a couple of minutes with a quick wipe to freshen up...just so you can feel..."special" too...lol.

"I think this might bother some pimps because they might see this as building a girls confidence which could encourage her to go out on her own or turn HDH. After all the idea is to keep her dependent on the agency right? Just a thought." HonestAbe

Just because you are paying a lot more doesn't mean you are getting anything better than "fast food" service with an HDH. Somes agencies treat their ladies like slaves and would love to keep them that way. So if tipping gives the lady any extra resources and/or self-confidence to get out on their own or into a better situation...that's great!

Good luck ladies,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Breadman

Hello Breadman,

"Tipping will make the girl look at the higher priced agencys in order to make her amount (her cut plus her best tips). So tipping doesn't cause inflation...it drives escorts out of the LDH market into the HDH sector."

Is that inflation or graduation. But I wonder if the influence of tipping in causing "graduation" is any higher than many repeat clients, a high number of requests for her, or terrific reviews??? In the case of Marie-eve of Asservissante, she has gotten all three for years but stays where she is. Have you seen the enormous thread on Miss Samantha. Her rates have not risen. What affects one lady does not seem to affect another. It's all terribly hard to pin inflation on one cause or another. The effect of tipping is not certain. In the end, I chose to says thanks this way. Others may not.

Bonne nuit,

Korbel

 

[BigPickle]

Finally, in my opinion, dinners, lunches and especially trips with SPs are a total waste of emotional capital and they should be reserved for people that are truly special in your life.

I would not take a trip with a SP unless we were off the clock and her intention is to have a good time and not think of it as business. But dinners and such, I enjoy it when it happens. I don't see it as a value thing the way Robin described (the girl tipping the client with her time), I see it as the girl valuing me more than as a wallet and desires some extra time with me to connect outside the bedroom.

 

[Just-ass-weet]

Today I had lunch with a fellow hobbyist who also does not tip. He had a very good point: "...unlike you and me, these ladies get everything clear; they pay no taxes on that money."

GG

Ah, I am always bothered by this assumption. I pay taxes, sure maybe not the enitre amount, but even any legit business has ways of reducing their taxed base. Now, I am aware that MOST girls don't pay taxes on their moola, however - check this out

I looked into what would be different if I went the self-emplyed route and registered myself as an individual offering services - well, I can do that. However, based on my previous years income, I would have to COLLECT taxes from you gents! HA! So, have you guys paid your taxes on the services you received? If a lady were registered and collecting taxes on top of her hourly rate, would you pay? I highly doubt it - so the next time one of you brings up this damned excuse to say we get away with everything tax free - well - so do you, eat crow! lol!

xoxox
Anik

PS- this is just a tease post - please don't take it too seriously - though it is true!

 

[SilentD]

Tipping the ladies

Hi all..

I will be visiting Montreal soon and I was wondering about tipping the ladies after the service. How much would one tip a lady if you enjoy the service? Either thru an agency, independent and HDH??

Thanks in advance.