Poll: GFE Service Standard

[EagerBeaver]

The time has come for us to stop various agency owners from using the varying definitions of "GFE" as a tool for marketing fraud. We are going to do this by imposing on them OUR definition of "GFE service."

Please vote in this poll, and please think about your vote very carefully. Thank you.

 

[EagerBeaver]

SA-

The poll is up! Please vote.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Voting here is much more divided than the other Board.

30 more days, and the poll closes. Then a standard will be born and the jig will be up for the owners who are fraudulently manipulating the term "GFE."

 

[Board Stiff]

Jimmy Hoffa and Mussolini would be proud by this pompous display of phantom unions and trade standards.

 

[EagerBeaver]

BS,

Simply put, the jig is up. The voice of the hobbyists is going to be heard!

 

[cando]

If DATY and MSOG are now considered GFE, every non-GFE should last 20 minutes tops.

 

[HarmonyNYC]

"Attitude means everything", but...

From the choices I voted:

, DATY, DFK, MSOG

Because from the choices presented I think that best suited what I think should not be questioned as ``what is GFE service``.

But more specifically DATY means nothing to me (to ``me``), and for me personally I do not understand how that fits into service being provided (please stay on topic an do not answer my DATY wondering).

So without any question I think...

1a & 1b are & MSOG (not in any order just equal parts of the same service) and some degree of a comfort with kissing as 1c, is a must.

But of course this all means nothing without a good attitude.

That said, a good attitude does not constitute GFE. I have fallen in love with allot of girls with good attitudes but not allot of girls with good attitudes have sucked my cock the way I like it and let me bang them as much as I could in a small amount of time.

So good attitude is a must for service to be called GFE service, but good attitude is not GFE service in and of itself.

For me the poll choice would have been:

, MSOG, LFK/DFK, SWAS (service with a smile).

 

[Jackie]

When I was escorting and the term GFE started getting used to help describe an encounter, it generally referred to the SP`s attitude, enthusiasm and warmth. I always understood the meaning of the term to be that it was comfortable in an unexpected way, that it`s much more personal approach and service from the norm.

Now, in the beginning, it so happened that those who were referred to as GFE also provided services on a more liberal level (, lfk or dfk, daty, msog). It wasn`t considered part of the GFE description back then but did coincide very very often. It was with time that certain services started being part of the GFE description. It`s been the problem since the start IMO, as GFE wasn`t intended to describe the level of services offered but more the ``experience`` -> attitude, service, warmth, sexiness, enjoyment of the sessions, etc.

To those who claim that a ``girlfriend`` experience SHOULD included specific service because that`s what girlfriends do... Umm, I can find you thousands if not millions of men that are quite unsatisfied with their ``girlfriend`s`` level of service. I doubt that ``girlfriend`` is the best descriptive word to be used for the actual sex services of a pro, lol!

I honestly think that to remedy this problem with the GFE description, you need to separate the attitude and personality term from the ``what services are included term``. A new descriptive term should be devised to specifically address the -DATY-MSOG-etc. issue.

That way you will actually be able to rate an encounter more precisely! Ex:

#1 Had a great time, was GFE but not ***.
#2 Had a great time, was *** but not really GFE
#3 This one rocks! GFE and ***!
#4 Eeek, not GFE, not ***

Does this make any sense? With a clear new term, the agencies won`t be able to yank your chains for long as they will be exposed by you very quickly.

What do you think?

I have no idea what to suggest as a new term. If you think this is a good idea and go with it, I`m sure you guys will come up with something creative

My 2 cents,
Jackie

 

[Special K]

My vote

I went with the

Daty DFK, this is what I`ve always known as being 100% GFE. Say an sp doesn`t DFK and only LFK`s then I remove 10% from the 100% GFE rating and give her a 90% GFE rating. Never has MSOG been considered an integral part of the GFE experience until this poll went up. I for one will not pressure an sp into 2 SOG`s if I`m only seeing her for 1 hour, chances are after conversing for a short time, spending time on foreplay and finally consummating there should only be enough time left for a lady to shower up and go in a 1 hr. appt.

Anyway, I`ll stick with my definition of 100% GFE.

 

[HonestAbe]

I voted...

, DATY, DFK, MSOG but I also think a good attitude is extremely important since its very hard to enjoy any of these services if she is a B-I-T-C-H.

I want a ``we have been dating for 5 weeks`` GFE, not a ``we have been suffering together for five years and I hate your guts`` GFE. LOL!

 

[EagerBeaver]

I voted along the same lines of Special K (, DATY, DFK), however at this point the runaway poll leader on both boards is option #4 (, DATY, DFK, MSOG).

 

[PCGuy]

Since we`re talking service, I voted: , DATY, DFK, MSOG

 

[joeblow]

The more I read about this GFE issue, the less I believe it should refer to a set of services, however comprehensive that list may be.

1 - Ads that list services consistently available (on a non-YMMV basis) are far more informative than a catch-all phrase like GFE. Hell, it's not that long to list a string of acronyms, so do we really need a three-letter acronym to summarize 3 or 4 other acronyms?

2 - I like the idea that a GFE is not something an SP can provide consistently to all johns but really describes the connection that may occur from time to time between two individuals, and which approaches the level of intimacy one can experience with a real girlfriend. As such, a GFE cannot be promised by a provider or an agency, only reported by a john.

 

[EagerBeaver]

GFE Service vs. GFE Personality

JB-

This is exactly why I started the poll in the first place. Because agency owners are trying to use the subjective latter definition, "GFE personality", when they market SPs as "GFE" who in some cases do not perform any of the "GFE service" acronyms.

For this reason I included "GFE personality" as poll option #10. You will see the agency owners voting in this category because they want to persist in the fraudulent marketing and taking advantage of the difference in the terms.

I included poll option #10 so that we hobbyists as a group can say we reject that subjective attempt at labelling for purposes of agency owner marketing, and wish instead to adopt an objective standard of "GFE service."

I included poll option #9 specifically because of Robin. I assume the one vote may be his.

Those who voted poll option #10 want to have the continued system where fraud is perpetrated on us based on subjective definitions.

 

[Robin]

I included poll option #9 specifically because of Robin. I assume the one vote may be his.

I suggested the term ``cgfe`` for escorts who provide all gfe services except for . This could describe several popular escorts here who provide intense intimacy in services and interaction, but are strictly cbj.

 

[Bob Binette]

, DATY, DFK, MSOG but I also think a good attitude is extremely important since its very hard to enjoy any of these services if she is a B-I-T-C-H.

I want a ``we have been dating for 5 weeks`` GFE, not a ``we have been suffering together for five years and I hate your guts`` GFE. LOL!

I agree. We probably need to have two terms GFE and ``new GFE`` LOL

 

[Lion Heart]

I voted for the core of services I think most agree should be part of the GFE definition (, DATY, DKF), even if the poll trend is to include MSOGs. But I still don`t believe that having a consensus on this definition will help much towards EB`s premises for this exercise, e.g to prevent ``fraudulous`` use of the GFE label.

I`ll always respect the right of SPs to refuse to provide liberal services to some clients. IMHO, all ``GFE`` providers should be considered as YMMV. I`m even worried of SPs who seem to offer these liberal services to everyone.

As I base my decisions on reviews and on the trust I have of certain reviewers rather than any GFE, PSE or YMMV labels, most of my encounters are very successful. I don`t face service restrictions very often but I had great encounters with SPs who elect for CBJ or no-DATY as long as French Kissing was on the menu.

What I don`t accept is having someone posted as a GFE (or being told by an agency operator that French Kissing, my must, is indeed offered) to find out afterward that yes it`s available, but for extra $$$ than what has been posted or agreed upon. This seems to be the way of agencies like ClassXXX and this is the real fraud, regardless of any label definition.

Lion Heart

 

[StripperLover]

Robin,

Have you ever had a real life gf who covered you before giving you a bj ?

If you have then I must retract my position.

 

[StripperLover]

blaine,

Not to ask you a personal question or anything but if you were middle aged or greater, this might very well be an issue for either partner.
Also if it's an hour date, I strongly believe that most hobbyists don't go for the 2nd SOG as there is time spend on getting throught the introductories.

Creating a standard, one should try to absolve one's own preferences & try to see the larger more expansive picture of most hobbyists.

 

[StripperLover]

blaine,

For one I am also in the same age category as you & MSOG are not an issue for me as well, but that being said the older age group than us are not doing MSOG (for the most part). Many young hobbyists don't do MSOG's & some seniors do so each group cancels each other leaving the middle aged who don't for the most part most of the time.