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It seems both will have huge withdrawal symptoms once it becomes so repetitive that everyone gets bored by it.
I disagree with the "both" part. I think the Donald will be just fine. In fact I expect he will have lots of fun taking shots at Biden and other swamp creatures.
 

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Say again?

You need to hit the history books dude. What year did the United State become a country? You should have learned this in the 4th grade, unless you went to one of the French schools in the 1950s. Did you ever wonder why Benjamin Franklin has his mug all over museums in Canada and France?
 

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You need to hit the history books dude. What year did the United State become a country? You should have learned this in the 4th grade, unless you went to one of the French schools in the 1950s. Did you ever wonder why Benjamin Franklin has his mug all over museums in Canada and France?
Thank you for your kind advice. I admire your encyclopedic knowledge of the U.S. history and especially your breathtaking discovery of Ben Franklin being "our first Secretary of State". I certainly hope you have taken a patent on it.

And you are right, I have never learned anything like that in any of the French schools I may or may not have gone to in the 1950s.
 

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I am not a US History buff but as far as I know Thomas Jefferson was the first Secretary of State when the name was changed from Secretary of Foreign Affairs and I have never heard of Benjamin Franklin of being one.
 

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I am not a US History buff but as far as I know Thomas Jefferson was the first Secretary of State when the name was changed from Secretary of Foreign Affairs and I have never heard of Benjamin Franklin of being one.

I am going to ask you guys a very simple question one more time. WHEN DID THE UNITED STATES BECOME A COUNTRY? Answer the question and you will both be on the right track.

According to you, that would be when Washington was elected President and named Thomas Jefferson Secretary of State. That was in 1789. Is that the year the US became a country? True or false?

So once you get the answer, then ask who was the Chief American foreign diplomat aka Secretary of State when the nation was formed. At its inception. And remember that the US was at war at that time so diplomatic relations only mattered with Canada and France.
 
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Indeed pardons are forthcoming for all of Trump's children, Jared Kushner and Rudy Giuliani. Of these characters, it's very likely Giuliani who will breathe the biggest sigh of relief.

The pardon power is the ultimate get out of jail free card. In that respect it's unique and cool in international political culture. I often wonder whether the framers of the Constitution played Monopoly as kids? Did Monopoly exist in 1787?

I can understand Canadians like Gaby being shocked and appalled, but the truth is the Presidential Pardon Power is uniquely American like apple pie, and Ford trucks, and NFL tackle football. It can be a beautiful thing, for the person being pardoned. I am still interested in seeing whether the self pardon is coming. My father claims the Justice Department issued an advisory opinion in the 1970s in anticipation of Nixon being self-pardoned, but Nixon ended up getting pardoned by Gerald Ford in a quid pro quo move that made the self pardon unnecessary. Trump knows Biden will not pardon him. so the self pardon is his only chance unless a Republican is elected in 2024. Have you guys thought this through? Stay tuned.

Don’t forget Jared dad. He was the inspiration behind the trump prison reforms that Jared spear headed

If trump gets convicted of state charges, can a governor pardon him?
 

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The dudes that wrote the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution were all very wealthy and talented and wise men, but they had something else in common that was far more important and relevant in shaping the drafting of the Presidential Pardon Power. They all came from Families that fled religious persecution in England. They were all Christian men and all believed in second chances and the forgiving of sins. That's where it comes from Gaby. Not from the Monopoly board game. You do get a "get out of jail for free card" when you play Monopoly

They were all white too. Tons of dudes who went and are in jail for shit they didn’t do. Tons who prob got executed on “Trumped” up charges secondary to racial profiling. No pardon for these poor souls.
 
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Don’t forget Jared dad. He was the inspiration behind the trump prison reforms that Jared spear headed

If trump gets convicted of state charges, can a governor pardon him?

Excellent question and the answer is YES- in most states. However in NY I doubt Cuomo would pardon Trump. And that is where he will most likely be prosecuted for State offenses.
 

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I am not a US History buff but as far as I know Thomas Jefferson was the first Secretary of State when the name was changed from Secretary of Foreign Affairs and I have never heard of Benjamin Franklin of being one.
That is until earlier today, I presume. I think you should seriously consider filing a complaint with your French school too.
 

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They were all white too.

And also all of those white guys who signed the Declaration of Independence were sentenced to death by King George III, as in the British troops had standing orders to arrest and hang any signer of the Declaration of Independence on the spot without any due process or trial of any kind. It is for this reason that the fiery, hot tempered John Hancock, who has the biggest signature on the DOI so George could read it "without his glasses", had his request for military appointment declined by George Washington. The British had been trying to arrest and kill Hancock for years before the DOI, as they knew Hancock was a chief financier of the revolution. Gage had orders to arrest him for years before he signed the DOI, and Hancock personally had to be talked out of taking the field of battle at the Battles of Lexington and Concord by Samuel Adams, as they feared his death would be a blow to the financing of the revolution. Samuel Adams (also under orders to be arrested on the spot pre DOI) convinced the hotheaded Johnny to put away his sword and he would better serve the revolution as a politician. Hancock reluctantly agreed.

A museum I visited in Lexington portrayed the encounter between Hancock and Adams as one in which Adams intercepted him dressed for battle and with his sword and uniform and the discussion they had was heated and intense. In the end, Adams probably gave Hancock a beer and told him to calm the fuck down. And now there is a beer named after him.
 
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I am going to ask you guys a very simple question one more time. WHEN DID THE UNITED STATES BECOME A COUNTRY? Answer the question and you will both be on the right track.

According to you, that would be when Washington was elected President and named Thomas Jefferson Secretary of State. That was in 1789. Is that the year the US became a country? True or false?

So once you get the answer, then ask who was the Chief American foreign diplomat aka Secretary of State when the nation was formed. At its inception. And remember that the US was at war at that time so diplomatic relations only mattered with Canada and France.
Perhaps you can answer this question for me it might solve a few issues.
How could Benjamin Franklin hold a title that never officially existed until Washington bestowed that on Jefferson.
Aka means shit last Sp I saw was named Candy lol must have been the first Candy ever.

So by that logic the first Chinese guy ever born was the Emperor because there were no others before him and there were certainly some after him.
 
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Will Trumpy pardon Derrick Chauvin?

Will Trumpy pardon Garett Rolfe?

Will be interesting to see. Seems like their families could garner pardons if they flatter Trumpy enough.

Does he have jurisdiction even to pardon them?
 

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How could Benjamin Franklin hold a title that never officially existed until Washington bestowed that on Jefferson.

The title did not exist but now that it does exist, Benjamin Franklin is considered the first de facto Secretary of State of the US by most historians and he was SOS during a war in which his diplomatic efforts with numerous countries are viewed historically as assisting the US in its ultimate victory. Although the only countries that mattered were Canada and France.
 

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So you admit the title didn’t even exist then.
How about trying to admit you were wrong, you know it really doesn’t hurt all that much, I have done it many times.
There is no such thing as de facto he either held the title or he didn’t.

There is an old European saying maybe it doesn’t come across in English but it goes something like this
” If my aunt would have had a dick she would have been my uncle”.
 

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If I remember correctly the USA was governed under the articles of confederation or something prior to the constitution?
 

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So you admit the title didn’t even exist then.
How about trying to admit you were wrong, you know it really doesn’t hurt all that much, I have done it many times.
There is no such thing as de facto he either held the title or he didn’t.
Come on, don't be stubborn. He was something that did not exist, we can all agree on that.

There is an old European saying maybe it doesn’t come across in English but it goes something like this
” If my aunt would have had a dick she would have been my uncle”.
Where I grew up we sometimes used an euphemism "If my grandma had wheels she would be a streetcar."
 

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If I remember correctly the USA was governed under the articles of confederation or something prior to the constitution?

Yes, was ratified by the 13 states in 1781 although was in existence before then.

NB, you are British aren't you? What amusement do the Brits take in starting all of this? Did it ever occur to modern Brits that if they had behaved and allowed the States to have representatives in parliament, then perhaps the UK would today have 50 other member states besides the ones it has now?
 

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July 4 1776 That said the Continental congress formally name the new country USA in September 1776
 

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So you admit the title didn’t even exist then.
How about trying to admit you were wrong, you know it really doesn’t hurt all that much, I have done it many times.
There is no such thing as de facto he either held the title or he didn’t.

There is an old European saying maybe it doesn’t come across in English but it goes something like this
” If my aunt would have had a dick she would have been my uncle”.

I am not wrong when museums and historians also call him the first Secretary of State of the USA.
 
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