PSE vs GFE

[talkinghead]

I know what the terms stand for and I have a general sense of how they differ--but, although I've enjoyed the hobby for more years than I can remember, I don't actually know what PSE is specifically code for. A few of the Montreal indies offer both GFE pricing and PSE pricing, often $100 more. Since I would never ask an SP in advance for specifics about what she offers, I'm asking out here. (The acronym sticky isn't working for me and searching the terms here is hopeless.) What could I expect from PSE? Greek, I assume. And beyond that? I looked it up online, and here's what one website said: "An escort that provides PSE experience means that sex can be as dirty as one wants. Anal could be included, along with extreme gagging, facials, and other trademark sex acts that are expected in porn movies." If I booked an indy at the PSE rate, could I expect all these things? GFE seems like a well-defined term; is PSE?

Thanks.

 

[AdrianaChambres]

The difference between GFE and PSE GFE is girl friend experience which would be the assumed standard service one can expect from most service providers such as kissing fs bj etc While PSE is porn star experience which are whatever extra options that SP decides she is comfortable with. For some it could CIM and or deepthroat while others offer Greek or a wider selection. Each girl is different and YMMV. So I would suggest finding out before hand. With the new law it is common to not list what services each experience may entail. But the gist of PSE are extras the SP has chosen that are not typically included in a GFE session. Hope this clarifies your question to a degree Happy hobbying! X A.

 

[talkinghead]

Thanks, Adriana. That's what I assumed, but of course it's not a real definition. Since I won't ask an SP over email/phone if she does XYZ--and since most providers expressly don't want such questions--it leaves the category pretty vague. The only way to approach it, at least for me, would be to either plan on PSE for a second date or plan on GFE and then ask the provider in person, upgrading if it's what I want. No big deal either way, I was just curious if "PSE" had any actual content; and I gather it doesn't.

 

[talkinghead]

I like the notion that "PSE is a sport and GFE is an art." I think what you're saying is that the difference is primarily attitude, mood, and "vibe." I've had pretty much everything you mention under PSE in a "regular" or GFE session, sometimes with an extra charge negotiated (e.g., greek, but even then that is sometimes included) and sometimes a tip (e.g., CIM and even CIMSW). I also like what you say about "illusion and psychology." I've thought a lot about that over the years.

 

[views]

I struggled to describe the amazing experience with Victoria spinner Indy Outcall (and Incall) as it was, as noted below, that rare possibility of the SP mixing both. I do believe other SPs I've been with and had a wonderful GFE are capable of some PSE (and vice-versa) but it's perhaps different factors in a session that determine what transpires.

It could be the vibe I give off, what she picks up on, what mood she's in, what's communicated or requested, etc

 

[sene5hos]

Recap, what do you think of my choices?

GFE = BBBJ, DATY, LFK/DFK and their associations = 69, DIGITS, MSOP, MSOG and attitude.

PSE = GFE + DT, Facefucking, COF, COB, CIM, CIM/SW, Dirty talk and RIMMING.

Greek sometimes yes, sometimes no and almost always NO if your penis is big.

I think Greek doesn't agree, unless SP mentions it in their ad.

Greek is never automatic in a PSE service.

 

[cloudsurf]

Every post in this thread is right on. The best situation is a girl who is both. They are rare and after being discovered become very popular and or are snagged by a SD.
Its a combination of acronyms and chemistry. Of attitude and sexual desire. Its not being shy or reserved but being self confidant and curious.
Hire a girl who is both and start off slow and then let her do anything she wants to. Moving from GFE to PSE with some girls is seamless.

 

[chowzilla]

Recap, what do you think of my choices?

GFE = BBBJ, DATY, LFK/DFK and their associations = 69, DIGITS, MSOP, MSOG and attitude.

PSE = GFE + DT, Facefucking, COF, COB, CIM, CIM/SW, Dirty talk and RIMMING.

Greek sometimes yes, sometimes no and almost always NO if your penis is big.

I think Greek doesn't agree, unless SP mentions it in their ad.

Greek is never automatic in a PSE service.

Most are accurate

COB as PSE? I find that service to be so light... and based on AdrianaChamber's explanation, I have the impression girls find it to be the least "problematic" service to provide.... especially among the finishing services. Finishing in the dome doesn't count.
I could be wrong, i just never had any issues with that.

Is CIM, CIM/SW guaranteed in PSE? or is it ymmv like greek.

i think both GFE and PSE have grey zones.

 

[elganja]

I know what the terms stand for and I have a general sense of how they differ--but, although I've enjoyed the hobby for more years than I can remember, I don't actually know what PSE is specifically code for. A few of the Montreal indies offer both GFE pricing and PSE pricing, often $100 more. Since I would never ask an SP in advance for specifics about what she offers, I'm asking out here. (The acronym sticky isn't working for me and searching the terms here is hopeless.) What could I expect from PSE? Greek, I assume. And beyond that? I looked it up online, and here's what one website said: "An escort that provides PSE experience means that sex can be as dirty as one wants. Anal could be included, along with extreme gagging, facials, and other trademark sex acts that are expected in porn movies." If I booked an indy at the PSE rate, could I expect all these things? GFE seems like a well-defined term; is PSE?

Thanks.

Personally, i always discuss specifics in advance when booking a sw. There are very few who don't agree to it.
Am i ignorant of something?
Always found it to be more respectful. The lady know what i want and can decide to provide or not. When i show up, i always made sure that she was still ok with the specifics.
I don't take anything for granted as consent is something that can change. I had very few bad session and usually, it was when the second brain took control and didn't let me take the necessary time to book properly. I also believe that being totally open in what you want will help avoid numerous weird situations as well as insatisfaction or frustration. Once, i turned away from a cute lady because she was not offering greek while her ads said "PSE and very open minded" so the result of not asking before was that we both lost our time for nothing. I have built my own expectation which led me to disappointment
I've read a lot of reviews here about bad experience. How many of those could have been avoid if things were made clear from the start?
But again, am i ignorant of something, like in the law? I do understand to not list the services offered but when it come to texting or speaking by phone, is there a possible problem?
p.s. english is my second language.

 

[GreyPilgrim]

Since I would never ask an SP in advance for specifics about what she offers, I'm asking out here.

One word, sir: communication!

I see no reason in the world why you would NOT want to discuss any specifics/services/fetishes/kinks/roleplay well in advance. While you might rightfully be worried about freaking out ladies you’d pick up in a bar by being too upfront about your particular tastes between the sheets, being entirely open and positive about your wants and desires has to be one of the biggest perks of this hobby!

No matter if I’m booking with an indy or an agency girl, I always strive to be as clear and open as possible about my expectations from the very first text/email. And if I ever have doubts about what’s on the menu, I ask!

 

[sapman99]

As I was preparing to say goodbye to my last date, I remembered hearing that she'd recently had a bad experience, where the client insisted on services which he had been warned by the booker were not on her menu. She let it go, but was not very happy with the situation. So, I asked how she felt. She said "well, HE apparently had a good time during the hour, I certainly did not".

For me, it crystallized the meaning of GFE, versus PSE. This girl is GFE, and from what she told me, he wanted PSE-like services.

GFE, girlfriend experience: the more I think about GFE, I think YMMV. What I mean is, the "completeness" of your GFE service will be modulated by your attitude. Act like a boyfriend, be treated like one. Sure, you may ask bookers about services, but with the good providers, be nice and generally whatever you'd want from a horny, younger girlfriend will be smilingly offered without having to ask.

PSE, porn star experience: a porn star is an actress. Actresses play roles, take directions. If you watch porn, you will sometimes see the stars truly getting off on it. It's like the great actors in regular movies playing a role not at all like their real life, but they are getting a charge out of acting it out. I see a PSE session as live porn where you are one of the actors, and the director. So you have a little "scenario planning" chat before getting to it . I did that one time with Elena from Montreal Lust (eons ago huh).