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Is it me or PSE/GFE means nothing these days?

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Maybe I’m the one wrong who’s completely wrong, but a decade ago, GFE was very clear; girlfriend experience. It was basically like an encounter with your girlfriend with protected sex of course. DFK, BBJ, and a sensual touch were par of the course. For the last one, it heavily depended on the provider because not all were good at it.

PSE was a bit more ambiguous, but it was generally understood as being a more "naughty" experience like you would get sleeping with a pornstar. Most of the time, this was like a GFE but more extreme with things such as deepthroat, bs&l, dirty talk, MSOG, and often anal. It was a pornstar experience as the name entailed. Protected intercourse, as always.

In the past few years, however, those acronyms lost all their meanings. I’ve seen girls advertise PSE where it’s everything covered, no kissing, absolutely nothing but a vanilla experience that doesn’t even qualify as GFE. It’s like all those new providers got into the business without knowing how it worked and advertised a bunch of services they had no idea what they meant.

I find it quite irritating because now I have to clarify the services offered before arranging a meeting as there is often miscommunication. She says PSE and you inquire further, only to realize it isn’t PSE at all.

Am I onto something? Perhaps it has always been like that and I just noticed now. I don’t want to sound like an old man reminiscing about the good ol’ days, but I feel service was far more consistent and the acronyms meant something back then. Today, it’s a free for all and a bit of a mess.
 

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things went downhill after 2019. there's way more clients now and noticeably fewer providers.
many providers would not have even made a roster a decade ago, but the talent pool is just so much smaller these days.
rates keep increasing and the newer clients are gladly paying it regardless, so the providers just have no incentive to improve.
 

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Onlyfans and other platform like it hijacked the sex business. As the above post, less girls but way more clients. Many girls are doing OnlyFans and some do both so got another source of income. They do not want to escort unless it is for a high price and are less interested to give GFE because of that other source of income.
 
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Maybe I’m the one wrong who’s completely wrong, but a decade ago, GFE was very clear; girlfriend experience. It was basically like an encounter with your girlfriend with protected sex of course. DFK, BBJ, and a sensual touch were par of the course. For the last one, it heavily depended on the provider because not all were good at it.

PSE was a bit more ambiguous, but it was generally understood as being a more "naughty" experience like you would get sleeping with a pornstar. Most of the time, this was like a GFE but more extreme with things such as deepthroat, bs&l, dirty talk, MSOG, and often anal. It was a pornstar experience as the name entailed. Protected intercourse, as always.

In the past few years, however, those acronyms lost all their meanings. I’ve seen girls advertise PSE where it’s everything covered, no kissing, absolutely nothing but a vanilla experience that doesn’t even qualify as GFE. It’s like all those new providers got into the business without knowing how it worked and advertised a bunch of services they had no idea what they meant.

I find it quite irritating because now I have to clarify the services offered before arranging a meeting as there is often miscommunication. She says PSE and you inquire further, only to realize it isn’t PSE at all.

Am I onto something? Perhaps it has always been like that and I just noticed now. I don’t want to sound like an old man reminiscing about the good ol’ days, but I feel service was far more consistent and the acronyms meant something back then. Today, it’s a free for all and a bit of a mess.
Yes, you're right, the acronyms are meaningless now, because what was generally understand to be the case in terms of an offering before is now basically just marketing terms to attract clients without any real meaning behind them. As you say, you now still have to confirm every little thing, and definitions of what is what vary ridiculously now, often having nothing to do with what was the accepted meaning before. It's not really that you're onto something, and it's not exactly new, but it has been progressively getting worse over the last few years.
 

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Maybe I’m the one wrong who’s completely wrong, but a decade ago, GFE was very clear; girlfriend experience. It was basically like an encounter with your girlfriend with protected sex of course. DFK, BBJ, and a sensual touch were par of the course. For the last one, it heavily depended on the provider because not all were good at it.

PSE was a bit more ambiguous, but it was generally understood as being a more "naughty" experience like you would get sleeping with a pornstar. Most of the time, this was like a GFE but more extreme with things such as deepthroat, bs&l, dirty talk, MSOG, and often anal. It was a pornstar experience as the name entailed. Protected intercourse, as always.
If it helps, I definitely have no clear understanding of the difference between GFE and PSE, while I offer both :D

To be fair, I get a lot of inquiries where neither acronym is used. But also many that seem to contradict the above definition like: "I'm looking for a real GFE experience where we can truly make a connection while I ram my dick into your ass hard and fast, and then cum in your mouth". I mean, it sounds like a great time but I'm pretty sure you're coming to me because your girlfriend will not do that.
So, I've settled in my mind that GFE is just that; it's what you wish your girlfriend would do, and PSE is just generally more acrobatic. Either way I just try to go with the flow. ¯\_(ツ)_/
 

urquell

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GFE was always really simple. It meant a willingness to french kiss and do BBBJ. That's it. End of story. PSE has always been harder to pin down as anything in particular, because it could incorporate many things, but generally speaking it simply meant that the SP was open to anal. There might be other stuff added onto it but at its root definition that was it. So, again pretty simple. The SP offered french kissing and BBBJ and/or anal. If both were offered then the SP would offer GFE/PSE. Pretty simple, right? Now the whole thing has morphed into a ridiculous barf bowl full of acronyms that aren't consistent across different SPS and can mean anything or nothing. They have no meaning at all now except to bring the rubes to the table as market speak.
 

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Once upon a time, the GFE standard was adopted by most SP's Indies and reputable Agencies and included in their standard fees.
The Standard was based on the defunct myredbook sex forum Acronyms list:


The GFE standard was really the RBGFE... DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS, MSOG.
Actually, MSOG was mostly a std among reputable agencies.
It was not offered often with Ad's site SP's or it was extra. And still the case today.

For the CIM/CIMSW/DEEP THROAT service, for me it is more PSE but we can also call that GFE++ if no anal offered. Anal is PSE for sure.
GFE should also include some "Into It" attitude.

I do not use agencies much, but I think GFE is still the norm and included in basic prices for reputable agencies.

However, On ad's site, it is common nowadays to charge an EXTRA for GFE. Actually, many SP's charge extra for everythings.
10 yrs ago, It was common that CIM CIMSW was offered no charge... Not today.

Also, it is more and more common unfortunately on Ad's site that the word GFE is used but not offered at all.
Some ladies, pimps just want to attact you... Some will say that this their interpretation of GFE...
Never saw a GF that does not kiss...
Anyway, this is why We have to ask for the details (DFK, BBBK, DATY) in communication...
And even if the reply is positive, it does not garantie it is going to be what we expect.

Like this girl I asked in front of her if she french kisses, she said YES. But her mouth remained closed. Not even LFK...
Maybe some don't like my mouthwash smell...

UB
 
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