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Quebec to cut capacity limits in businesses – including stores, bars and restaurants – to 50% as of Mondayarticle: https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...ron-lockdown-holiday-party-travel-december-16
Quebec to cut capacity limits in businesses to 50% as of Monday
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article: https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...ron-lockdown-holiday-party-travel-december-16
I don’t see this as doing much.
If Omicron is as contagious as they claim it will spread regardless of restrictions.
The only hope is getting as many shots into arms as possible in the shortest period of time.
When it comes to booster shots, Quebec’s three Musketeer’s are full of shit blaming it on the 6 months interval suggested by health Canada.
They had no qualms going against health Canada with vaccinations before with longer intervals between 1 and 2 doses than recommended lucky for them it proved to be a good decision.
Arruda they should have gotten rid of a long time ago he is an arrogant full of himself clown and comes across like that every time he opens his mouth.
This time they dropped the ball and Ontario is way ahead of them with having first opened it to the elderly and now to everyone over 18.
If Omicron is as contagious as they claim it will spread regardless of restrictions.
The only hope is getting as many shots into arms as possible in the shortest period of time.
When it comes to booster shots, Quebec’s three Musketeer’s are full of shit blaming it on the 6 months interval suggested by health Canada.
They had no qualms going against health Canada with vaccinations before with longer intervals between 1 and 2 doses than recommended lucky for them it proved to be a good decision.
Arruda they should have gotten rid of a long time ago he is an arrogant full of himself clown and comes across like that every time he opens his mouth.
This time they dropped the ball and Ontario is way ahead of them with having first opened it to the elderly and now to everyone over 18.
January ...
Cinemas, Bars and other "non essential businesses" shutting down again. This is speculation but im almost sure of it. Good thing i didn't took the vaccine to be able to go in cinemas
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a complete lockdown and/or a curfew again.
Cinemas, Bars and other "non essential businesses" shutting down again. This is speculation but im almost sure of it. Good thing i didn't took the vaccine to be able to go in cinemas
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a complete lockdown and/or a curfew again.
That and you! Is exactly the problem we are facingGood thing i didn't took the vaccine to be able to go in cinemas
HM . You would take the vaccine so that you can go to a movie but you wouldn`t take it to keep from getting sick or infecting others close to you. How crazy is that ?
We have another proof that the vaccine is not good...
How many shot it will take before that thing will be efficient ?
That was half sarcastic. I mean the only big inconvenience i have with the passeport at this moment is not being able to go see movies in theatre. Considering i go to bars about 3 to 4 times a year and its not something i heavily crave, i don't care that much loosing that acces and im more of a take out/delivery guy rather than eating at Restaurants. But it annoys me not being able to see movies in theatre especially since i think Matrix is the last one having an home release at same time as Cinema.
But i wouldn't risk my health just to go see movies
The sarcasm is some peoples did get vaccinated just because they didn't want to loose social life acces, and now they may loose them anyway for months as Legault is gearing up to lockdown again (maybe partial but still). I mean it start at 50% capacity but if cases keep rising he will freak out and close the stuff he likes to close first and we know its cinemas, gym, resto and bars. Cloudsurf, i am not your age, i can fight Covid with my good old immune system... Im not worried for my health. And "not infecting others" is not a concern for me for 2 reasons. First one its up to them to protect themselves, not to me. If they fear Covid be it for age, low immune system or whatever, its their job to protect themselves, be it vaccines, mask, not going out or whatever. If i KNOW im sick i will isolate of course, but if i happen to be "asymptomatic" it just prove my point toward this "big bad disease", a virus you have to test to know you got it ain't really that deadly to me. The other point is i don't meet a lot of peoples anyway. Im mostly a loner who spend the majority of his time in front of a screen or training alone. So meh...
Ultimately i don't trust the governement, i don't fully trust the vaccine either as there has been cases of bad side effects already and we don't know the long term effects either. But especially i will purposely not comply because they push too hard. As i said before, i taught long and hard if i was gonna take the vaccine, i decided "not for now" but was not close to the idea of taking it later if really needed. Now after all they done, the segregation and everything, not respecting our rights to choose by ourselves, well screw them ! This look shady as hell to force it that bad.
Imagine releasing a product that does not properly do what you promised it would do... And then blaming the malfunction on people who did not purchase said product... Whilst telling those who bought it that they must buy it again every few months. That is how you sound.
They will just make 3rd booster shots mandatory for the vaccine passport. And then the 4th, the 5th, and so on.. Fact is this virus will mutate just like the flu does. Are we supposed to live in a never ending yo yo between lockdowns and reopening? It will never end till people stop complying. Their compliance ensures we remain under government control. There is also a darker side to this and that is the economic damage and we are now beginning to see it which is inflation the most insidious type of tax because it is hidden and without legislation. It will take years to recover from this economic damage. Such things benefit the wealthy the most as most of their assets are in investments, stocks, and real estate. As the currency devalues, the wealth of the wealthy increase in relation to the rest. One has to remember the government ruins whatever they touch. So many of the world's problems are created by the government then they come to the rescue with their Socialist policies and say they saved us.But i wouldn't risk my health just to go see movies
Ultimately i don't trust the governement, i don't fully trust the vaccine either as there has been cases of bad side effects already and we don't know the long term effects either. But especially i will purposely not comply because they push too hard. As i said before, i taught long and hard if i was gonna take the vaccine, i decided "not for now" but was not close to the idea of taking it later if really needed. Now after all they done, the segregation and everything, not respecting our rights to choose by ourselves, well screw them ! This look shady as hell to force it that bad.
Dubé was very disappointing at that conference. Rather than man up and say they got the 3rd dose wrong, he used the lame Health Canada guidance. The excuse is total BS. There are many 50+ who are eligible today. The fact healthcare workers are not vaccinated properly is total BS. It was downright lieing. They emphasized children, which is fine. They ignored trends elsewhere in the world. They did no sequencing for Omicron, they pretended it only existed in Ontario and BAM.
The biggest difference between Ontario and Quebec is the head doctor, who came in around June. The journalists were not tender with Arruda and he went on to deflecting. Why are they letting Legault off the hook so easily ?
They need someone to come on and give a simple math and epidemiology tutorial. It seems a lot of people don't understand some pretty basic facts.
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As I stated in my post #9, they are now planning to make 3rd booster shots mandatory for the vaccine passport. Ontario will be holding a conference and one of the things mentioned is to make 3 shots considered as fully vaccinated. Even though it is clear these vaccines are not working. So far in the hospital just about as many fully vaccinated are infected as non-vaccinated yet politicians want to force us 3rd booster shots for something that clearly is not working as intended. Weird.
toronto.ctvnews.ca
Ontario slashing gathering sizes, reducing indoor capacity limits as COVID-19 cases soar
Ontario has announced new restrictions, including cutting gathering sizes and slashing capacity limits to 50 per cent for most indoor settings, as COVID-19 cases soar in the province.
It is worse in Ontario but it will be coming here also in some weeks. Another lockdown is imminent. As of Sunday all bars, stripclubs, and restaurants must shut down by 11pm with the exception of take out. The sale of alcohol will be restricted to 10pm. Lol With these rules might as well shut down.
toronto.ctvnews.ca
Ontario slashing gathering sizes, reducing indoor capacity limits as COVID-19 cases soar
Ontario has announced new restrictions, including cutting gathering sizes and slashing capacity limits to 50 per cent for most indoor settings, as COVID-19 cases soar in the province.
It is worse in Ontario but it will be coming here also in some weeks. Another lockdown is imminent. As of Sunday all bars, stripclubs, and restaurants must shut down by 11pm with the exception of take out. The sale of alcohol will be restricted to 10pm. Lol With these rules might as well shut down.
Ontario slashing gathering sizes, reducing indoor capacity limits as COVID-19 cases soar
Ontario has announced new restrictions, including cutting gathering sizes and slashing capacity limits to 50 per cent for most indoor settings, as COVID-19 cases soar in the province.
Currently the unvaccinated, who are less than 20% of the population occupy 75% of ICU beds. Yes, 75%. Of 4 people going into ICU, 3 are unvaccinated
Modelling shows that with the growth of Omicron, ICUs will fill up. Probably 3 spots will be taken by the unvaccinated for 1 by vaccinated.
Let's put it another way. If the unvaccinated were vaccinated we would have more than 3x more capacity.
Who is going to drive ICU overflow ? Yes, you guessed it, the unvaccinated.
The risk of ICU is what drives closures. Who is driving the risk to ICU hence closures ?
Good thing we don't have an authoritarian regime and we allow people to fill up ICU with the rest of society living the consequences
But the real issue here is you won't be able to go to strip clubs, right ? Well, you now know who to thank
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Not according to the stats. Did you bother to check? The ratio of fully vaccinated to non-vaccinated who are infected is almost 50/50. The vaccine was never fully effective from day one and it is kind of useless against Omicron. But guess what that is how it is with the flu. Every year there is a new flu vaccine against new strains of the flu. They will have to design a new vaccine one that is effective against Omicron. But are we to live under forced masks, restrictions, and the threat of a lockdown for life. Seems like it. More government created problems. When Lego announced the new restrictions he clearly stated that the vaccines are not effective against Omicron if they were we would not have 2700 daily cases.
More than 1,700 fully vaccinated people got COVID-19 in Ontario over the past two weeks. Experts say it's not a concern
About 35.6 per cent of COVID-19 infections in Ontario over the past two weeks have been in individuals that were fully vaccinated against the disease, however experts say this trajectory is normal considering the increasing number of people getting their shots.
One dinner, seven old friends, six Omicron infections: the new reality, says Montreal man
A rare dinner out for seven old friends at an upscale Montreal restaurant this month turned into an alarming lesson in Omicron, with six of the seven testing positive for COVID-19 within a few days.
COVID-19: Health officials confirm 95 cases of Omicron in Montreal, expect more to come - Montreal | Globalnews.ca
In their COVID-19 update on Wednesday, health officials in Montreal said Omicron, the new COVID-19 variant, is causing concern heading into the holiday season.
globalnews.ca
Direct quote from the article "Health officials said there are 95 cases of the Omicron variant in Montreal as of now which 90 per cent of Omicron cases are fully vaccinated people. The variant has not yet been linked to any hospitalizations or deaths." But they go by cases not hospitalizations.
I can post more data but you get the point.
Not according to the stats. Did you bother to check? The ratio of fully vaccinated to non-vaccinated who are infected is almost 50/50. The vaccine was never fully effective from day one and it is kind of useless against Omicron. But guess what that is how it is with the flu. Every year there is a new flu vaccine against new strains of the flu. They will have to design a new vaccine one that is effective against Omicron. But are we to live under forced masks, restrictions, and the threat of a lockdown for life. Seems like it. More government created problems. When Lego announced the new restrictions he clearly stated that the vaccines are not effective against Omicron if they were we would not have 2700 daily cases.
More than 1,700 fully vaccinated people got COVID-19 in Ontario over the past two weeks. Experts say it's not a concern
About 35.6 per cent of COVID-19 infections in Ontario over the past two weeks have been in individuals that were fully vaccinated against the disease, however experts say this trajectory is normal considering the increasing number of people getting their shots.
One dinner, seven old friends, six Omicron infections: the new reality, says Montreal man
A rare dinner out for seven old friends at an upscale Montreal restaurant this month turned into an alarming lesson in Omicron, with six of the seven testing positive for COVID-19 within a few days.montreal.ctvnews.ca
COVID-19: Health officials confirm 95 cases of Omicron in Montreal, expect more to come - Montreal | Globalnews.ca
In their COVID-19 update on Wednesday, health officials in Montreal said Omicron, the new COVID-19 variant, is causing concern heading into the holiday season.
Direct quote from the article "Health officials said there are 95 cases of the Omicron variant in Montreal as of now which 90 per cent of Omicron cases are fully vaccinated people. The variant has not yet been linked to any hospitalizations or deaths." But they go by cases not hospitalizations.
I can post more data but you get the point.
You are looking at the stats you want to look at to make your point which is fundamentally flawed
Forget infections. Look at the hospitalized and ICU. Look at both Quebecs and Ontarios. They show the same facts
The vaccine was primarily made to prevent severe form of the disease. It has done that as reflected by hospitalizations and patients in ICU
Anticipated hospitalizations and ICU are the drivers of shutdowns and restrictions
Today's cases are nothing but an indicator of what will happen to hospitalizations in 2 or 3 weeks. The ratio of how many infections will turn into hospitalizations is significantly higher in the unvaccinated.
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Look at the stats as many double vaccinated as non-vaccinated are in hospitals. The ratio is almost 50/50 for Omicron. Your point is mute.
Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows
Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 report from Science, citing a study from Israel's largest HMO. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies.
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Mute ? Au contraire. Thank you for making the point about the unvaccinated.
First of all if as many were as many in hospital that means they have a 4x greater chance of being hospitalized as they are 4x fewer people unvaccinated.
If they were vaccinated, hospitalization would drop by 80% of your 50/50 or 40%. I'd take a 40% drop in hospitalizations, wouldn't you ?
You do realize you just said the unvaccinated are causing a 40% excess of hospitalizations, right ?
Thank you for making the point that the unvaccinated are causing a disproportional problem. BTW, when we take ICU admissions it becomes worst.
But more importantly there are no stats in Quebec or Ontario for hospitalizations for Omnicron.
Where do you see that and I never said what you wrote. Did you even bother to read the articles? That whole blaming the unvaccinated is really getting silly. Accept that the vaccines are a fail.
Here is another one ->
www.bbc.com
And another one ->
westphaliantimes.com
This particular article states that of the 95 infected in Montreal with Omicron 90% were fully vaccinated. But I guess the stats does not matter to you.
Here is another one ->
Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home
Vaccinated people are catching and then spreading the virus to those they live with, UK study finds.
www.bbc.com
And another one ->
90% of Omicron infected individuals in Montreal were fully vaccinated
News for all
westphaliantimes.com
This particular article states that of the 95 infected in Montreal with Omicron 90% were fully vaccinated. But I guess the stats does not matter to you.
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Where do you see that and I never said what you wrote. Did you even bother to read the articles? That whole blaming the unvaccinated is really getting silly. Accept that the vaccines are a fail.
Here is another one ->
Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home
Vaccinated people are catching and then spreading the virus to those they live with, UK study finds.
You said hospitilizations are 50/50 vaccinated/unvaccinated. Your number, not mine
I know how to do math.
let me explain
You have 4 million people vaccinated. 100 go to the hospital, so 100 in 4million. 0.0025%
You have 1 million people unvaccinated. 100 go to the hospital, so 100 in 1million 0.01%
200 people in hospital, a 50/50 split. With me so far ?
If everyone was vaccinated, it would be 5million * 0.0025% = 125 people in hospital.
So, yes, the non vaccinated are cause 75 more people (200 vs 125).
In fact they are causing a 60% increase. 125 + 60% = 200
When all is under control, the unvaccinated are not causing problems. The minute things get out of control, the variants fault nobody else, shit happens. This is not about blaming the unvaccinated, it's about understand the consequences of significant unvaccinated population.
Vaccines are a fail ? Before failing something you may want to figure out how to grade it.
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