Quebecois cocaine cowgirls

[jalimon]

Beauty attracts in all aspect of life. So 2 young beauty that fucked up their life in a drug deal is great media material.

Absolutely correct that a 300 pounder would not make prime time media.

80% if not more of Hollywood movie would not make it if the main female character was an ugly saggy 300 pounder as well

Cheers,

 

[ssj3]

Patron, the problem is is that drug trafficking and drug use is not a victimless crime. It leads to murders, robberies and so forth. Perhaps cracking down on addicts with harsh prison time isn't the right answer and maybe the U.S. should consider rehabilitation more like the European model, but for drug traffickers and sellers it's a whole different ball game.

 

[EagerBeaver]

You really need to watch The Wire if you think drug trafficking is a victimless crime. In fact you should be compelled to watch all 5 seasons as each season examines a different sector of society impacted by the drug trade in Baltimore.

 

[jalimon]

I have watched The Wire and I enjoyed it.

Many countries, particularly in Europe, do not have the obsession with law enforcement activity as it relates to drugs that the United States does. Somehow, they paradoxically do not have areas as bad as the distressed part of Baltimore.

The most interesting season of The Wire was the one where drugs were effectively legalized in a certain neighborhood.

Does anyone really believe the world will be a safer place if these two ladies are imprisoned for decades?

Do you really believe most people who die from drug overdoses would have been highly productive members of society? I am sure a few would, but is it worth the truly massive expenditure of the war on drugs?

I fully agree with you Patron. Are you sure you are not canadian cus you are thinking like one

Cheers,

p.s. now if you tell me you would ban free carrying of firearm I would say you are a canadian, hum no, a quebeccer

 

[EagerBeaver]

The issue of crime and punishment was debated earlier in this thread and what is at issue is Australian law. They have dug in against drug traffickers because it's an island and it's harder to get drugs into the country than it is elsewhere. The Australians wanted to make examples of these 3 because they want to discourage muling of drugs in that manner. Canadian and American laws and views are irrelevant here. The reason why these women will get long prison sentence is not because of the crime per se but in order to deter future similar conduct in violation of Australian laws. They are looking to send a message to young drug mules that if you bring drugs in here as a mule you are gonna pay, big time.

 

[EagerBeaver]

If I recall correctly an Australian was facing execution in Indonesia for drug offenses, not incarceration. I don't think the Australians are executing anyone and certainly not these girls. And if the Australian PM doesn't go to bat for Australians in trouble overseas what good is he?

I don't know what Indonesia would have done with these girls for the same offense, but I suspect it would be even harsher punishment.

 

[transatlantic]

I have watched The Wire and I enjoyed it.

Many countries, particularly in Europe, do not have the obsession with law enforcement activity as it relates to drugs that the United States does. Somehow, they paradoxically do not have areas as bad as the distressed part of Baltimore.

The most interesting season of The Wire was the one where drugs were effectively legalized in a certain neighborhood.

Does anyone really believe the world will be a safer place if these two ladies are imprisoned for decades?

Do you really believe most people who die from drug overdoses would have been highly productive members of society? I am sure a few would, but is it worth the truly massive expenditure of the war on drugs?

I like to hear your theory on how law enforcement of drugs lead to distressed parts of Baltimore?

If drugs are as victimless as you indicated, you can be sure governments would be first in line to tax it.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I don't know what Indonesia would have done with these girls for the same offense, but I suspect it would be even harsher punishment.

Indonesia, hard drug trafficking is death, pot trafficking is 20 years. Personally I would prefer to be killed than to spend 20 years in an Indonesian prison, two good looking girls would be gang raped daily.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Perhaps the resources spent on the war on drugs would help if those resources were directed toward better education and the elimination of poverty.

Portugal is the first country that has decriminalized the possession of small amounts of drugs, to positive results. Anyone caught with any type of drug in Portugal, if it is for personal consumption, will not be imprisoned. Spain and Italy have since followed Portugal's example.

Lets face it, we are losing the war on drugs, take one dealer off the streets and two replace him/her, bust a shipment and twenty others get through. Legalize it, control it, profit from it.

 

[westwoody]

I am of the personal belief that the government should not criminally prosecute victimless crimes

I grew up in Vancouver. There has always been serious hard drug problems there. I personally knew decent middle class kids who got hooked on crack or meth and were destroyed. A beautiful young woman who became a crack ho and ended up in prison for robbery, and a doctor's two sons who had everything who died in an alley from meth.
They effect everyone around them on their way down.
Both cases almost destroyed the families. The woman had a crack addicted baby that she dumped on her parents. The boys turned into petty street criminals and stole from their family everything they could. Both the woman and the boys progressed to occasional violent crimes to support their habits.
It is never just the user that is affected.

Addicts are not rational. Traffickers are not supplying normal reasonable people. They are preying on people who are sick.

There is a broad spectrum of drug trafficking.
A few plants in your basement for a weekend jount is no big deal.
95 kilos of coke is a bad thing, there is nothing good about coke.

I think think it is cruel to imprison attractive young women in their childbearing years and deny them the opportunity of motherhood.

But imprisoning ugly ones is okay?

What about guys of the same age?

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Why not, politicians are better than the mafia, let them make the profit, we need bridges to be multicoloured.
Cut out the middleman.
Have a booth on every corner, have the SAQ sell it in grocery stores, if you buy a big enough quantity, get a free hand gun of your choice to go with it, we can't control guns either.

I do enjoy sarcasm.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Intuitively if you legalize heroin/cocaine or other addictive hard drugs, the costs of getting the drug will go up due to taxation, regulatory and procurement costs. If you make it harder financially for destitute addicts to get a drug they are addicted to, you leave them with one choice: crime. Stealing the drug and robbing those who have it. Those risks will beget more police/security costs to protect vendors from inevitable criminal assaults and robberies. I have seen drugs turn otherwise decent people into criminals. In areas that are highly concentrated with destitute drugs addicts, over the course of time it seems like it would perhaps increase crime and favor the rich drug addict and the white drug addict over the poor black drug addict. Legalization would have a de facto racist impact, because what you are doing is restricting use of the newly more expensive legalized drug to those who can afford it.

 

[westwoody]

Patron there were lots of studies on the StatsCan site.
I don't know if they are still there.
Harper shut down a lot of very successful programs under his law and order regime. I suspect he was hoping to privatise prisons. There were lots of inmates going to school but the Tories preferrred to have them sitting in a cell staring at the walls.

 

[bignasty]

Since the Baltimore riots 2 years ago after Freddie Gray's death the homicide rate is setting all time highs - and most of these homicides are drug related. Although the mostly black City Government is not speculating why the homicide rate is skyrocketing anyone who lives there will tell you it is because the City Gov't. turned its back on their own police force and blamed them for Freddie Gray's death. (All officers were lambasted as being racist although 6 out of 9 were black and all officers have since been exonerated and several are suing the City) Because of the initial lawsuits many police have backed off significantly from aggressively enforcing the law. Less policing certainly hasn't resulted in less crime in Baltimore.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/14/us/Baltimore-homicides-record.html

 

[EagerBeaver]

The most interesting season of The Wire was the one where drugs were effectively legalized in a certain neighborhood.

This experiment worked in The Wire because it was a very small neighborhood and a large police presence was dispatched to watch it, and the cops used SEVERE and ruthless violence upon any criminals who did not obey the rules the cops set forth to be allowed to deal drugs without getting busted. Ultimately shenanigans get called on this scheme because the precinct commander who hatched the scheme did not tell his superiors about it, yet he reaped the benefits politically from the reduced crime stats. In the end he is exposed, and forced into an early retirement with a low grade pension.

None of this would happen in reality, so we are left with the Baltimore that is depicted in the rest of the TV series. Which is pretty much the reality of the drug trade.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Intuitively if you legalize heroin/cocaine or other addictive hard drugs, the costs of getting the drug will go up due to taxation, regulatory and procurement costs.

But this goes against what has happened when pot was legailzed in a few states. Priced dropped as well as the crime rate. The prigram worked well in Portugal and two other countries followed suit.
Crime will always be high with addicts around, they need their fix and will do most anything to get high.

 

[EagerBeaver]

But this goes against what has happened when pot was legailzed in a few states. Priced dropped as well as the crime rate. The prigram worked well in Portugal and two other countries followed suit.
Crime will always be high with addicts around, they need their fix and will do most anything to get high.

My post was discussing heroin and cocaine and was improperly quoted by you. I think these drugs have historically been treated differently than marijuana. I don't have any issues with legalization of marijuana especially due to its medicinal uses. But heroin and cocaine stand on a little different footing and the discussion of The Wire pertained to those drugs. In the case of heroin, it's a hardcore addictive drug that completely enslaves the mind of the user. And leads otherwise good people to become criminals.

The crime that is being reduced in The Wire by the legalization effort is the crime within the business itself and not the crime caused by end users. But that reduction is brought about by the police administering severe beatings to any dealers who do not play by their rules. So the police are essentially committing crimes to reduce the official crime rate which is the irony played up by the TV program The Wire.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I believe the two women get our sympathy vote because of their looks. Were they two unattractive women who weighed 250 lbs each i'm sure we wouldn't give a shit.

My guess is that all they have to do in order to get a lighter sentence is to start singing and name the organized crime figures they transported the drugs for. The Aussies likely don't give a damn about the two girls but would rather get the bigger fish instead. So until they start singing, they'll have to do time like everyone else in their situation. Justice should be the same whether you're young and attractive or not.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Doc,

The two girls were apparently given that opportunity and didn't talk. It's not clear what they actually know and seems like Tamine may have been a middleman between the powers that be and the girls. The girls may be mere Sgt. Schultz type figures who know nothing and have nothing to tell. They were recruited due to being financially or economically desperate and likely were kept in the dark on important details. It's also possible they know a few details and fear retaliation against their families or themselves. It's pretty easy to arrange prison hits.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I also wouldn't talk if i were in their shoes. I'm also certain that the people behind the drug deal aren't a mom n' pop operation and will retaliate the first chance they get if the girls start singing.

I have a feeling that one of the two girls knows a lot more than the other and that one of them (the younger of the two) may have come along just for the trip, although i'm pretty sure she was aware they were transporting drugs but was likely told not to worry and that this kind of stuff happens all the time. However the older girl needed to get out of debt and went along with the risky venture. Her debt problems are very typical of young attractive girls in Mtl and elsewhere who love the partying lifestyle. That's why many of them resort to escorting and although they plan on doing it just short-term in order to get out of debt, they eventually can't get out of it since they fall in love with the lifestyle and all the trips abroad whether to the Caribbea, Europe or Dubai. I've met many such women over my life and although they've come to despise the escort business, they were stuck staying in it in order to get out of major debt. And others were lucky enough to find themselves a nice older gentleman (sugar daddy) to take care of all their problems.

One of my ex-gfs fits that type, although i don't believe she's ever escorted. She moved to California after marrying an American guy (which was her goal), got divorced, enjoys living the kind of lifestyle you see on tv shows such as The Hills, works in a low-paying job and because she can't let go of the lifestyle she loves she has to live in a small apartment with 3 other girls and when they go out they have to mooch drinks off guys they meet at clubs. Then they post pictures on instagram showing off how good their life is....but in reality they're now middle-aged women in their 40's with eroding looks who don't have a penny to their name and their looks are no longer getting them opportunities they once had. And the type of guys they've always been attracted to (twenty to thirty-somethings who are the jock types) are no longer interested in them. Sad.