Random thoughts: What’s on your mind lately? Part 2

[Valentina Amante]

But I'm not talking about enforcing a 2 hour minimum social date, I'm talking about charging less for longer bookings. That's a completely different concept.

Example:

30 minutes 200$
1h 300$
90 mins 400$
2 hours 500$

Does this make sense?

Clients will obviously not book for 2 hours to talk the whole time. When you have different options you're not enforcing anything, you're just giving options, like on your website. (Which is really well designed by the way)

Like I said earlier, if a provider asked me for advice on how to be independent, I would never advise she has a 2 hour minimum and charges a super high rate. She won't have clients. The providers who do this have been around for a while and probably have regulars they see at older rates and for shorter periods of time. I also don't have the intention of doing this myself. I also would never tell a new provider ''oh by the way when you get sessions over an hour the clients will just talk the whole time until the last 15 minutes'' lol that's just not the truth...

Also, you're right. None of the tactics that high end providers use are ''revolutionary business models''.. they have been around for a while, and some clients are perfectly fine with it. A lot aren't which is understandable, most people can't afford to see a luxury provider.. but reality is most of us will remain somewhere in the middle or have to work for lower rates

Yes it does make sense!
I was just talking about the minimum 2H requirements or social settings before anything even starts. And thank you for the compliment hahaha I went all out.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I believe it's a coincidence. I hope everyone who uses twitter switches to BlueSky.

Bluesky is where the wokes go and cannot handle the truth.

Not every SP has a 2-hour minimum, and most men aren’t looking for that. Many stop hobbying altogether because it’s too complicated and financially inaccessible - especially when a 2-hour social meet runs $750+. They will be turned off and try tinder instead.

True say and not to mention booking two hours with a SP first time is very risky. You just never know if it will be good and by reading her recent reviews she is clearly YMMV. I like to book for one hour first time is no good at least the damage is minimized. For sure I will go elsewhere.

 

[CLOUD 500]

But I'm not talking about enforcing a 2 hour minimum social date, I'm talking about charging less for longer bookings. That's a completely different concept.

Example:

30 minutes 200$
1h 300$
90 mins 400$
2 hours 500$

Does this make sense?

Clients will obviously not book for 2 hours to talk the whole time. When you have different options you're not enforcing anything, you're just giving options, like on your website. (Which is really well designed by the way)

Like I said earlier, if a provider asked me for advice on how to be independent, I would never advise she has a 2 hour minimum and charges a super high rate. She won't have clients. The providers who do this have been around for a while and probably have regulars they see at older rates and for shorter periods of time. I also don't have the intention of doing this myself. I also would never tell a new provider ''oh by the way when you get sessions over an hour the clients will just talk the whole time until the last 10 minutes'' lol that's just not the truth...

Also, you're right. None of the tactics that high end providers use are ''revolutionary business models''.. they have been around for a while, and some clients are perfectly fine with it. A lot aren't which is understandable, most people can't afford to see a luxury provider.. but reality is most of us will remain somewhere in the middle or have to work for lower rates, so it's not hurting anyone that there are providers with these types of business models.

True and it sounds good but I am talking about a first time booking it should not be two hours. The one hour rate is very reasonable for a first time booking. It is to test the waters on if it will be good or not especially when a SP is clearly YMMV. Of course if good then the 90/2hr rate is very good but only if it were good. Of course those that already got a long line of regulars got no incentives to have one hour appointments.

 

[jeffmathers]

It wasn't but I can assure you I don't remain fully clothed during bookings lol I was hoping sharing something cute and wholesome would lower tensions here but it clearly didn't work.

There is nothing that would lower tensions beyond some sort of medical intervention but I know multiple providers have said they will start ignoring a specific person. I need to work on making a Montreal data project that's relevant to people like a visualization of data related to hotels.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Bluesky is where the wokes go and cannot handle the truth.

Not really, sex workers are targeted on X and it's really common that our accounts get suspended. On bluesky that isn't likely to happen. This isn't about being woke.

Also, it's reasonable to not want to book a SP for 2 hours the first time if you don't want to, so the solution to that is finding someone who offers shorter bookings

Most of us offer an hour. Not every SP is going to be the right one for you, and that's fine.. Putting myself in a client's shoes, I wouldn't book a SP who charges 700$ the hour for example.. or who has a 2h minimum that I will end up paying a lot of money for. But that doesn't mean the existence of this SP is a threat to me, there are many options. I think it's fine that some SP want to be selective. I have a 30 minute option and although some people would disagree I think my rates are affordable.. however I don't want to see every client who reaches out.. no SP who commented here would. There are services I don't offer.

True and it sounds good but I am talking about a first time booking it should not be two hours. The one hour rate is very reasonable for a first time booking. It is to test the waters on if it will be good or not especially when a SP is clearly YMMV. Of course if good then the 90/2hr rate is very good but only if it were good. Of course those that already got a long line of regulars got no incentives to have one hour appointments.

I never said that the first time booking should be two hours, I don't understand how anyone read my initial comment that way. I just said ''If you are a SP and want to have longer bookings more often, here is a tactic that works for me...'' I still get plenty of hour long bookings. I wasn't saying ''you girls should stop offering bookings under 2 hours''. I don't understand how my words got twisted like this, and how these suggestions are implying the SP will work less hard. You could have a 2 hour minimum and only get clients who want to fuck the whole 2 hours or most of it.

I think if some SP want to work less often and be more selective about who they see and take less new clients, it's perfectly fine. We all have a life outside of this..

 

[jeffmathers]

Bluesky is where the wokes go and cannot handle the truth.

True say and not to mention booking two hours with a SP first time is very risky. You just never know if it will be good and by reading her recent reviews she is clearly YMMV. I like to book for one hour first time is no good at least the damage is minimized. For sure I will go elsewhere.

"Bluesky is where the wokes go and cannot handle the truth." try to say "cisgender" or call Elon "cis" on twitter. There are a million ways to get banned on twitter. Elon bans providers also. Bluesky has more freedom than twitter.

 

[jeffmathers]

Not really, sex workers are targeted on X and it's really common that our accounts get suspended. On bluesky that isn't likely to happen. This isn't about being woke.

Also, it's reasonable to not want to book a SP for 2 hours the first time if you don't want to, so the solution to that is finding someone who offers shorter bookings

Most of us offer an hour. Not every SP is going to be the right one for you, and that's fine.. Putting myself in a client's shoes, I wouldn't book a SP who charges 700$ the hour for example.. or who has a 2h minimum that I will end up paying a lot of money for. But that doesn't mean the existence of this SP is a threat to me, there are many options. I think it's fine that some SP want to be selective. I have a 30 minute option and although some people would disagree I think my rates are affordable.. however I don't want to see every client who reaches out.. no SP who commented here would. There are services I don't offer.

I never said that the first time booking should be two hours, I don't understand how anyone read my initial comment that way. I just said ''If you are a SP and want to have longer bookings more often, here is a tactic that works for me...'' I still get plenty of hour long bookings. I wasn't saying ''you girls should stop offering bookings under 2 hours''. I don't understand how my words got twisted like this, and how these suggestions are implying the SP will work less hard. You could have a 2 hour minimum and only get clients who want to fuck the whole 2 hours or most of it.

I think if some SP want to work less often and be more selective about who they see and take less new clients, it's perfectly fine. We all have a life outside of this..

Usually when people disagree with you I don't think they actually read what you typed.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I never said that the first time booking should be two hours, I don't understand how anyone read my initial comment that way. I just said ''If you are a SP and want to have longer bookings more often, here is a tactic that works for me...'' I still get plenty of hour long bookings. I wasn't saying ''you girls should stop offering bookings under 2 hours''. I don't understand how my words got twisted like this, and how these suggestions are implying the SP will work less hard. You could have a 2 hour minimum and only get clients who want to fuck the whole 2 hours or most of it.

Huh? I never said this. I just offered my two cents. Seems you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying this in a more general sense as some do impose two hours minimum. It is their right obviously as so it is my right to go elsewhere.

 

[LC18]

I’ve had 30-60 mins options for years, even offered 15 mins. I’ve decided to change my minimum because my personal life doesn’t allow me to do less than that anymore.

It’s only the men that were never going to book the 30-60 mins options that seem to have a problem with my new minimum. It’s only those men sending me messages to ask me if I could still offer those even though they never booked once the 5-6 years I’ve been around.


I have a 4 hours option but it definitely doesn’t have to be 2 hours in public and 2 hours in private. I have always been opened to cooking at my incall or ordering in. I just don’t want to be fucking for 4 hours and I think that’s not too crazy of a request.

Mais bon, tout ça c’est du marketing. Ça fonctionne pour certaines, ça ne fonctionne pas pour d’autres. Ça convient à certains messieurs, ça ne convient pas à d’autres. Chacun y trouve son compte quoi…

 

[CLOUD 500]

"Bluesky is where the wokes go and cannot handle the truth." try to say "cisgender" or call Elon "cis" on twitter. There are a million ways to get banned on twitter. Elon bans providers also. Bluesky has more freedom than twitter.

Hmm but I am sure exposing the Liberals for the fraud they are on Bluesky would get you banned? I never use cis, this is in the transgender universe. When I say "male" or "female", it means cisgender my default. I like twitter for politics and exposing the Liberals for the fraud they are. But that is another topic.

 

[philonius]

It wasn't but I can assure you I don't remain fully clothed during bookings lol I was hoping sharing something cute and wholesome would lower tensions here but it clearly didn't work.

The way this thread is going I'm about to post my kitten pics just to change the subject lol

 

[jeffmathers]

I’ve had 30-60 mins options for years, even offered 15 mins. I’ve decided to change my minimum because my personal life doesn’t allow me to do less than that anymore.

It’s only the men that were never going to book the 30-60 mins options that seem to have a problem with my new minimum. It’s only those men sending me messages to ask me if I could still offer those even though they never booked once the 5-6 years I’ve been around.


I have a 4 hours option but it definitely doesn’t have to be 2 hours in public and 2 hours in private. I have always been opened to cooking at my incall or ordering in. I just don’t want to be fucking for 4 hours and I think that’s not too crazy of a request.

Mais bon, tout ça c’est du marketing. Ça fonctionne pour certaines, ça ne fonctionne pas pour d’autres. Ça convient à certains messieurs, ça ne convient pas à d’autres. Chacun y trouve son compte quoi…

It's funny someone accuses you of trying to get everyone to do things one way but you never tried to change anyone else's business. Your business works for you but people act like it's ruining other people's experience. I don't want to get dominated so I don't book dominatrixes. I'm never going to say "People shouldn't offer domme sessions because me and others don't want that".

I have an American friend who makes incredibly large amounts of money from domming and I'm happy that her business is very successful.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Huh? I never said this. I just offered my two cents. Seems you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying this in a more general sense as some do impose two hours minimum. It is their right obviously as so it is my right to go elsewhere.

You replied to my comment mentioning the 2 hour minimum which wasn't what I was talking about, so I got confused... sorry I didn't mean to offend you.

Hmm but I am sure exposing the Liberals for the fraud they are on Bluesky would get you banned?

Probably not. My reason for wanting to use Bluesky is that providers don't get banned on it. You could have an account just to follow providers and not for the political content.

 

[jeffmathers]

Hmm but I am sure exposing the Liberals for the fraud they are on Bluesky would get you banned? I never use cis, this is in the transgender universe. When I say "male" or "female", it means cisgender my default. I like twitter for politics and exposing the Liberals for the fraud they are. But that is another topic.

I can say the n word on twitter but can't say cisgender. There are plenty of accounts mocking liberals on bluesky as being left wing doesn't mean being liberal and there is more freedom of speech on blue sky than twitter. But it is true you have more slur availability on twitter than bluesky.

 

[CLOUD 500]

You replied to my comment mentioning the 2 hour minimum which wasn't what I was talking about, so I got confused... sorry I didn't mean to offend you.

Probably not.

No I am not offended at all. No worries.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I’ve had 30-60 mins options for years, even offered 15 mins. I’ve decided to change my minimum because my personal life doesn’t allow me to do less than that anymore.

It’s only the men that were never going to book the 30-60 mins options that seem to have a problem with my new minimum. It’s only those men sending me messages to ask me if I could still offer those even though they never booked once the 5-6 years I’ve been around.


I have a 4 hours option but it definitely doesn’t have to be 2 hours in public and 2 hours in private. I have always been opened to cooking at my incall or ordering in. I just don’t want to be fucking for 4 hours and I think that’s not too crazy of a request.

Mais bon, tout ça c’est du marketing. Ça fonctionne pour certaines, ça ne fonctionne pas pour d’autres. Ça convient à certains messieurs, ça ne convient pas à d’autres. Chacun y trouve son compte quoi…

People have a problem with the idea of it but in reality it doesn't affect them...

I feel like these conversations run around in circles and these arguments are pointless, nobody is gaining anything from it.

Other escorts business model isn't relevant to me. Nobody is imposing anything on me. I wouldn't like it if an escort was telling me to raise my rates or have a 2 hour minimum but nobody is doing this.

I also would never tell an escort to raise her rates or to quit working for an establishment she likes to work for just because I'm indy.. we are all capable of making our own choices.

 

[jeffmathers]

People have a problem with the idea of it but in reality it doesn't affect them...

I feel like these conversations run around in circles and these arguments are pointless, nobody is gaining anything from it.

Other escorts business model isn't relevant to me. Nobody is imposing anything on me. I wouldn't like it if an escort was telling me to raise my rates or have a 2 hour minimum but nobody is doing this.

It's a marketing tactic.

Step 1: claim someone else's business model is frustrating just because it's different.
Step 2: make clients think "Oh she's the good provider trying to get other providers to lower their rates"
Step 3: get the most frugal and anti feminist clients.

Edit: the repetition is key. Repeatedly going after other providers garners attention. It's a circular advertising tactic.

 

[Valentina Amante]

People have a problem with the idea of it but in reality it doesn't affect them...

I feel like these conversations run around in circles and these arguments are pointless, nobody is gaining anything from it.

Other escorts business model isn't relevant to me. Nobody is imposing anything on me. I wouldn't like it if an escort was telling me to raise my rates or have a 2 hour minimum but nobody is doing this.

Correct. However, when someone publishes a public blog that imposes on others, they can’t expect to shut people down for having opinions about it.

 

[Valentina Amante]

It's a marketing tactic.

Step 1: claim someone else's business model is frustrating just because it's different.
Step 2: make clients think "Oh she's the good provider trying to get other providers to lower their rates"
Step 3: get the most frugal and anti feminist clients.

Lmao. Eh boy. Who said anything about anti feminism? wtf.

Edit: the repetition is key. Repeatedly going after other providers garners attention. It's a circular advertising tactic.

Crazy how one-sided it can be eh?!
Pretty much the same feeling people will get from when a business model is imposed onto clients and other SPs.

Shocking!!!!!!! People only praise others and kiss their asses when they agree with them…

 

[philonius]

How close is Montreal to getting the Expos back in the MLB? I had one of the best weekends of my life last weekend and the only thing I thought was that if I added a daytime major league game in the summer to the mix, I would have reached the summit of the best possible weekend that could exist, ever.