Rant: Uncalled for negative reviews of MERB Independents

[rollingstone]

I have definitely been guilty of not writing bad reviews for popular women. In one instance I was disappointed by this person who was 'GFE of the year', she was not as attractive as people described, and it looked like I spent more time than her getting ready for our date (never a good sign). I also suspected she was high. I did not want to have to make other plans on short notice so I rescued the situation by asking her which of her friends she enjoyed duos with, and when I heard a name I recognized she called her and came over, and thus the encounter was saved. Still I am pretty certain that when she 'squirted' in the CG position she was in fact peeing on me (no I am not into that).

The problem is that a lot of people go beyond being WKs. You see people now going beyond reviews, they are actively promoting the provider. There are a few reviewers on MERB I have begun to suspect are getting something in return, something I would have never suspected in the past. But sometimes a review is posted with an announcement that this provider is now an indy and will have a website up soon, or something similar...its like a review and press release rolled into one and I begin to doubt if the person is just another client or someone contracted to promote her. These type of guys can launch personal attacks much more vicious than any WK when there is a poor review.

 

[Resolve]

Sounds like jarhead is madly in love with that SP ( a simple research on his profile will tell you who the woman is ), might see himself as her bodyguard and he feels the need to jump at anyone saying anything bad related to the experience, even if it wasn't against the SP or the service she provided.

Il monte sur son cheval blanc, les yeux fermés....

^

"cardinal rule"

 

[joshg72826]

It's hard to keep one's emotion in check when you're in the hobby of intimacy.

 

[joshg72826]

I have definitely been guilty of not writing bad reviews for popular women. In one instance I was disappointed by this person who was 'GFE of the year', she was not as attractive as people described, and it looked like I spent more time than her getting ready for our date (never a good sign). I also suspected she was high. I did not want to have to make other plans on short notice so I rescued the situation by asking her which of her friends she enjoyed duos with, and when I heard a name I recognized she called her and came over, and thus the encounter was saved. Still I am pretty certain that when she 'squirted' in the CG position she was in fact peeing on me (no I am not into that).

The problem is that a lot of people go beyond being WKs. You see people now going beyond reviews, they are actively promoting the provider. There are a few reviewers on MERB I have begun to suspect are getting something in return, something I would have never suspected in the past. But sometimes a review is posted with an announcement that this provider is now an indy and will have a website up soon, or something similar...its like a review and press release rolled into one and I begin to doubt if the person is just another client or someone contracted to promote her. These type of guys can launch personal attacks much more vicious than any WK when there is a poor review.

I had a similar yet slightly different experience (not with the girl this thread is about). She was as hot as people described her. It was her attitude, it didn't seem like she wanted to be "working" she looked tired and nearly fell asleep after we were done, almost forgetting about seeing me out. I almost posted a review, but didn't want to since she was popular. A few months later, I decided maybe it was just a bad day for her and saw her again and boy it was like night and day. It was 200% better... energetic, chemistry was there. It made me rethink of SP's I told myself never to repeat and also made me more conscious girls just can't be on point all the time. Everyone has highs and lows. Now the only thing negative in my overall experience with this girl is that if she wasn't feeling like working that day, she should of cancelled. I would be less upset on a cancel than a bad experience.

 

[wolfie7]

I have to disagree here - big time. I talk quite a bit with my clients about experiences they've had with other indies in town and I have to say that there is a noticeable LACK of bad reviews where they are deserved.

Just because someone's thread is glowing DOES NOT mean they're still providing that same level of service. The reason that nobody mentions the change in service is because clients are too intimidated to be the only bad review in an otherwise positive thread. Everyone knows by now that they'll likely be attacked for their honesty. I can't help to think that this thread is proof of this...If this forum were more accepting of negative reviews the entire community would be better off. You wouldn't have guys running around with unrealistic expectations (still going off of the old reviews) and being hugely disappointed when they receive less than stellar service.

Booooom. Not pulling any punches, are we?! :thumb:

One can never call out Z for lacking honesty and transparency on this board! Kudos. :thumb:

Any hobbyist who can't see past the hype of some threads and posts for certain indies... when clients become boosters... Well, golly, you're just straight outta luck. :lol: You better learn to read between the lines, and fast. Otherwise, it's a $200 lesson for you, buddy. Then again, it's only a $200 lesson. :lol:

Review sites are never perfect. As a hobbyist, you have to learn, for yourself and your own tastes, how to sift through the information. And no two reviewers are ever really the same, we all have our own quirks, our own motivations, or own unique tastes and perversities. And our own randomness. As a reader, you'll never really know what's going on. You can believe me, or not. There is and always will be a lot of opaque-ness on review sites. Get over it. Understand your own value system, stay true to your own target criteria, seek out those reviewers whose opinions and tastes align with yours, know the risks, accept the possibility of failures, and go out and have fun. That is part of the thrill of hobbying, no? Discovering for yourself? So many unknowns thrown into this lovely curious pot. That is part of the fun. If the hit rate was always 100%... if I'm being honest with myself, some of the thrill would be lost. (Which would not necessarily be a bad thing! :lol

 

[Kummer]

I recently had a rendez vous with a popular highly rated and loved companion on this board. The appointment was confirmed couple of hours prior day of and I was told to contact upon arrival. When I got there on time, I messaged and I received no response. I waited 15 mins to resend another message (which I think is a reasonable amount of time without being pushy) and she replied back that she told me to message her upon arrival, that I did not and now I'm late and she rebooked someone else.

I was annoyed only because I had organized this rdv couple weeks before and I followed all protocol only to be bumped because surely she just double booked and brushed me aside.

I contemplated writing about my encounter (lack thereof) only because this board is to share but from previous experiences reading about positively rated SP's, hobbyists all come in to defend her and "blast" the negative reviewer. And no, I was not rude or no miscommunication. It was clear, I was polite and I even told this SP, "no big deal, better luck for me next time". (I will not bother)

All that being said, I agree with Zoe...

 

[wolfie7]

A shame that posters fear retribution or blowback for reporting these negative experiences. They are valuable data points for the community. No review site should be positive-news-only. Bad SPs, agencies, bookers and practices should be called out.

 

[spinner addict]

I recently had a rendez vous with a popular highly rated and loved companion on this board. The appointment was confirmed couple of hours prior day of and I was told to contact upon arrival. When I got there on time, I messaged and I received no response. I waited 15 mins to resend another message (which I think is a reasonable amount of time without being pushy) and she replied back that she told me to message her upon arrival, that I did not and now I'm late and she rebooked someone else.

I was annoyed only because I had organized this rdv couple weeks before and I followed all protocol only to be bumped because surely she just double booked and brushed me aside.

I contemplated writing about my encounter (lack thereof) only because this board is to share but from previous experiences reading about positively rated SP's, hobbyists all come in to defend her and "blast" the negative reviewer. And no, I was not rude or no miscommunication. It was clear, I was polite and I even told this SP, "no big deal, better luck for me next time". (I will not bother)

All that being said, I agree with Zoe...

Could not agree more with that.

 

[spinner addict]

A shame that posters fear retribution or blowback for reporting these negative experiences. They are valuable data points for the community. MERB should not be positive-news-only.

Thats the problem Wolfie to much white knigts, i find it irritating.

 

[BookerL]

About Negative reviews for service/look:

I believe that:

- One negative review can impact a girl business negatively more than 10 good reviews can impact positively.

- It must be written with respect knowing the impacts. It should never be a revenge.

- White Knight will always exists. I am a proud W.K.

Hello all


I do believe what UB says here that a negative review more then 10 good reviews ,since SP ing is a job,it is sometimes difficult for girls to overcome it ,many quit the business because of it .

When chemistry is not present ,it is not only the fault of the lady ,clients should accept part of the blame but usually ,they don"t !

It should never be a revenge.

A review that will always remember about one of my girls ,that I felt was really out of place ,the client brought in is bedroom at home a bottle of Red Wine that fell on is white linens while they where shaking the bed .
He blamed the SP for it in the review .
Thinking of what you say and how you say it ,is definitely really important .Many ladies are or can be affected by it .




Cheers




Booker

 

[wolfie7]

A thought for the white knights: They really should be happy! :nod: A few bad reviews, and it becomes a lot easier to book that favorite!! So chill the fuck out! :lol: :lol:

 

[Doc Holliday]

I've been lucky to have a 98% success rate when meeting an sp. This is why i haven't had many negative reviews. I have always been very careful of whom i book and do my research diligently most of the time. I also have my circle of trusted sources. Of course, i stopped writing reviews altogether for a few years and only came back writing reviews on a regular basis this year. I needed a break from Doc Holliday 'the john' and decided to concentrate posting in other threads...mostly the sports threads...for a few years. Doc Holiday 'the sports fan', so to speak. Now i'm trying to concentrate on doing both, but i'm still a tad paranoid of writing sp reviews due to the new 'law' and my reviews possibly returning to haunt me one day.

White knighthood has been around for as long as i can remember. I began posting on Canbest and a couple of years later on Big Doggie (TBD). Merb showed up a couple of years later and became the most popular board. Same with Terb. There have been other boards i posted on, but i lost interest. What i'm saying is that we simply have to live with the fact white knights are here to stay. Same thing with shills or people masquerading themselves to post glowing reviews about a new sp or attempt to make an unpopular sp popular. It'll never go away, so that's why i'm always careful about whom i trust when i read a review. If i see a very well-written review by a new handle, i have my doubts. It doesn't mean its not legit, since i wrote a great review myself nearly 16 years ago as my very first review on Canbest. But i'd rather be careful with whose reviewing skills i trust than not.

I must admit that i've been hesitant to post negative reviews. I'd rather talk about my negative experience(s) through back channels to my trusted contacts. The reason i chose to do this is because i don't want to be the person who ruins an sp's career. Especially if the large majority of her reviews are positive. Sometimes an sp may have just been having bad day. Sometimes it's the agency or her assistant's fault and she's stuck taking the blame for a fuck-up. Other times, it's the john who's having a bad day. But if an sp has regularly been reviewed negatively and i've had the same negative experience as the rest, well in that case i wouldn't hesitate to mention it in a review. The last time this happened was with an Eleganza girl (whose name i've forgot...i referred to her as Miss Dildo) who simply infuriated me with her crappy time-management skills and the fact she didn't give a flying fuck about her clientele. A primadona. I told it like it happened in a review and never regretted it.

But recently, i wrote a review about a somewhat popular sp and mentionned i had wound up very disappointed with how things went. I even referred to it as my most disappointing encounter of the entire summer. I wrote that she was a very pretty girl, we got along very well and she was gfe, etc. But her time-management sucked and i didn't like the fact she wound up taking two showers in one hour on my time and the fact we still had twenty minutes left to go and she had hinted that time was almost up. Of course, a couple of white knights got all over me for posting about the experience i had. I don't think they doubted it had happened, but that's how it felt like. I mean, why would i bullshit about such a thing when 98% of the reviews i've written were all positive? Positive, but truthful, i may add.

Well, i basically ignored them and in my mind thought they should just go ahead and screw themselves if they're not happy with my honesty. But i realized a few days later that as i had mentionned in my review, maybe the girl simply had a bad day or needed a break. And speaking with johns who'd also seen her, and colleagues of hers who know her, i figured this was the likely scenario. I also realized that i didn't want to damage an sp's positive reputation just because she may have been having a bad day. We all have bad days and trust me, i have my share of them!

So, i decided to remove my somewhat negative review after giving it some thought. Sure, negative (but honest) reviews help out the community, but not if it'll prevent someone from seeing sp who may have provided him with her usual great time.

I'd also not encourage people to write too many negative reviews. It may lead to problems we've seen here in the past. I think a former well-known member once called it 'board terrorism'. People threaten an sp or agency with a bad review unless they get some perks or discounts. A board terrorist. An extortionist. It's happened in the past and encouraging people to write more negative reviews will only bring back a bad situation we've once dealt with. Sure, it still happens. Recently an sp told me she had met a client from merb who threatened her with a bad review if she didn't perform a certain way (or offer certain services) with him. It sucks, but that's the dark side of social media for you.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Doc... I know you are nice and honest guy... whatever other fellows think, I know that what you write is the truth, and it's neutral and objective... I am happy to have you among my friends on this board...

Thanks buddy. Let me point out that if i didn't have a 98% success rate re: sps that i see, i would no longer be seeing sps. Or i'd go elsewhere, like Spain, Latin American, Germany or Asia where i'd get more bang-for-my-buck. But i love Mtl and the ladies i'm privileged to meet (and have met) keep me coming to my favorite city.

When an sp i meet sometimes asks me why i see sps or still see sps, i tell them the truth: Because it's a whole lot of fun, i still have a great time with sps and i have no valid reason to stop seeing sps.

I also wouldn't feel right if i wouldn't be 100% honest in my reviews. The doc has always told it like it is and will continue to do it. In a diplomatic way, of course!

 

[Doc Holliday]

I never looked at it this way...

I did recently. An sp i saw told me that she soon became very popular after my initial encounter (which i reviewed) with her. I had told her that i had tried to see her again on my previous trip, but she was always fully booked when i called. One selfish horny fucker even booked her for the ENTIRE evening! I sighed and told her i may have had something to do with it due to the fact i had written a glowing (but honest and true) review of her. Until this summer, i had forgot how we sometimes shoot ourselves in the foot with glowing reviews. It reminded me of a time 13 years ago when i wrote a nasty/filthy review of a nympho named Emmanuelle. It still lists today as one of my greatest sexual experiences ever! Anyways, she was easy to book when i saw her. Then i wrote my review. One of my best friends still has that review and reads it when he wants to get turned on prior to seeing an sp. It was raunchy! Well, to make a long story short, she became nearly impossible to book after my review was posted and she was the talk of the hobbying industry soon after. She was no longer a best-kept secret and people discovered what a nympho/sex maniac she was. I never saw her again. I figured later maybe it was a good thing since rarely do second encounters outdo the first one if it was great. No different than a great drug we discover. So seeing her again may very likely have destroyed the greatness of that first one, and who knows, i may have been asking myself after: "What the hell did i see in that girl?" So even though i only had sex with her once (i did see her socially twice afterwards), that memory of that famous encounter we had will remain in my mind for as long as i live. Oh, lordy!!!

 

[cloudsurf]

Doc I agree a 100% with everything you wrote on post # 34.
Well said.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Has johnmbot been reincarnated? :lol:

A thought for the white knights: They really should be happy! :nod: A few bad reviews, and it becomes a lot easier to book that favorite!! So chill the fuck out! :lol: :lol:

 

[gaby]

I did recently. An sp i saw told me that she soon became very popular after my initial encounter (which i reviewed) with her. I had told her that i had tried to see her again on my previous trip, but she was always fully booked when i called. One selfish horny fucker even booked her for the ENTIRE evening! I sighed and told her i may have had something to do with it due to the fact i had written a glowing (but honest and true) review of her. Until this summer,eview i had forgot how we sometimes shoot ourselves in the foot with glowing rs. It reminded me of a time 13 years ago when i wrote a nasty/filthy review of a nympho named Emmanuelle. It still lists today as one of my greatest sexual experiences ever! Anyways, she was easy to book when i saw her. Then i wrote my review. One of my best friends still has that review and reads it when he wants to get turned on prior to seeing an sp. It was raunchy! Well, to make a long story short, she became nearly impossible to book after my review was posted and she was the talk of the hobbying industry soon after. She was no longer a best-kept secret and people discovered what a nympho/sex maniac she was. I never saw her again. I figured later maybe it was a good thing since rarely do second encounters outdo the first one if it was great. No different than a great drug we discover. So seeing her again may very likely have destroyed the greatness of that first one, and who knows, i may have been asking myself after: "What the hell did i see in that girl?" So even though i only had sex with her once (i did see her socially twice afterwards), that memory of that famous encounter we had will remain in my mind for as long as i live. Oh, lordy!!!

C'est très vrai Doc......c'est pourqoi j' y ai pensé deux fois dernièrement avant de rédiger un post sur une glorious girl......je me doutais que sûrement cela pourrait éventuellement me causer des problèmes de booking.........on verra...........grâce à ce board je n'ai eu que des revues positives à faire au cours des derniers mois. .....Et ,au fond, après réflexion, tant mieux si nos revues -positives et honnêtes-contribuent au succès de nos courtisanes....elles ont décidé de faire carrière dans cette industrie et si elles peuvent y demeurer longtemps......et bien .....nous en sortons tous gagnants............
J'ai eu dans le passé des rencontres so and so ou carrément déplaisantes.......mais si je sentais que la fille était bien intentionnée et faisait tout son possible ......alors je gardais ca pour moi......pourquoi d'un seul tarit détruire la réputation de quelqu'un ....de toute facon elle risque fort de réaliser par elle-même qu'elle n'est pas à sa place......MAIS si je sens l'arnaque-fausse photo, description,et l'envi d'en finir au plus vite......là je n'hésiterai jamais à dénoncer pareil comportement.........il y a celles qui exercent leur profession --pour l'argent c'est certain comme tous les professionnels----mais qui aiment leur métier..........et celles tentées uniquement par l'appât du gain facile et pour qui le client est un ......sucker....... my 2 cents.....

 

[UncleBob]

When a popular SP works on a bad day, she must know that she might have bad review because of letting her bad mood reflects in the sessions.

Doc, I would probably have left your somewhat bad review, which, if I understand, was not that harmful since it was especially pointing out few "infractions"
And it could have recalled the SP that even if she's popular and have pages of glorious reviews, it is not a reason to think people wont risk to write a bad review when she let down her service...
And, according to me, I would have been surprised if this issue you were not happy with could have bother her business really.

IMHO, We should always allow and encourage people to write the reviews they want, good or bad, newbi or not, for a popular SP or not.

However, depending of the way it is written and if the guy is pretty newbi on the board, a bad review can be questionned by others (W.K. or not).
If the SP has pages of good reviews or if the review is particularly Harsh, rude etc, a bad review should be expected to be questionned and I think it is normal.
People should not keep from reviewing because they fear the W.K.

Of course, as I already said, writing a bad review or comment should be done with respect.
They're details we don't say here because the lady/agency can also read. (Which can be a good thing if they take reviews constructively).
I noticed that in private, we have a lot more genuine information.

I had a very small chat with a merbist at VIP3. We talked about a new SP at a popular agency that I wanted to see.
He wrote a positive review. He told me a little detail he omitted that was not important for him but now, I'm not sure I want to see her anymore.
I understand that this little detail has been omitted (Detail that could be a turn off for other clients like me) because she was still providing an amazing service and was very pretty.
So he did not want to bother her business and I guess take the risk to be ban by this agency.

I've read recently a bad comment for an Indy that for me was a lack of courtesy, especially the way he said it. In private, would have been ok though.

I think on merb, we should not write a bad review as we write when we RANT.
I also understand that some details will be deliberately omited sometime for courtesy because the persons reviewed READ this board or because we fear the ban of agencies.

It's easier when you can stay anonymous. But the way you write and the details you give can give enough hints to the SP (and sometime agency) to know who you are.
Also, when a SP Indy or Agency asks for Merb handle as a reference to be more confident about the client and/or because she (they) offers a special to merb members, you can forget the anonimity and I guess It can be a way to assure that clients will be more kind should they write a review

 

[Doc Holliday]

When a popular SP works on a bad day, she must know that she might have bad review because of letting her bad mood reflects in the sessions.

Doc, I would probably have left your somewhat bad review, which, if I understand, was not that harmful since it was especially pointing out few "infractions"
And it could have recalled the SP that even if she's popular and have pages of glorious reviews, it is not a reason to think people wont risk to write a bad review when she let down her service...
And, according to me, I would have been surprised if this issue you were not happy with could have bother her business really.

Makes sense. I'll consider re-posting it.

 

[spinner addict]

Uncle BOB,

I know, we know , me & you who you are referring to, SP&client/merbist.

I do agree with you 100% with everything you say in your #41 post.

it is true that choosing of word can be very important, and reviews should not be written when your head is still to hot.

Knowing that person , thats the reason why he took of that review out fast enough. Also he had a chit chat/peace making with the SP in question.

But i do question myself, and you and other people in general. When you say that a review good or bad , should be written with respect and well chosen words, let me ask a general question :

What if for example, SP's were writing reviews about US in MERB, and one would , per say, use harsh word and have lack of respect in her review about the client ? example : " he was just a total jerk, a prick " , etc... etc ... Just think of any lack of respect what so ever, hard or lesser hard.

How would YOU react ? or anybody else ?

I dont know why, but my little finger is telling that every body would be like, " OMG who's that guy, i'll go have a talk with him, you poor thing i'm sorry for what happen to you, etc... "
All i'm saying is that i think people would not see it as a problem. And also her WK would probably triple in an instant. LOL.

I have my personal response to that question but i would like to ear from others.

Dont get me wrong, i really do agree with what you said, i am just continuing the debate and putting a different question/side to the subject and wonder what people see about it.

Cheers