Recruiting Challenges : Are SP Agencies Being Affected?

[mauricevachon]

Restaurants, retail, and businesses are having a hard time attracting talent.

Is this affecting the Hobby?
Impressions:

- Noticeable lack of new talent entering the industry.
- Shortage of girls 18-21.
- Agencies hiring older, heavier, talent to compensate.
- Minorities (blacks, natives, + Asians) thus increasingly in demand.

TLDR: Much of this might be demographics and CERB related.
It is likely also permanent.
Hobby is readjusting to a new bar.

 

[IamNY]

Interesting topic. I would have thought that after nearly 2 years of living through a pandemic people would need some extra cash to make up for lost income. But clearly by looking at some of the agencies rosters this is not the case. It could be that the lack of demand is a factor here. It would be nice to see rosters that reflect the legendary "Eleganza" where they had fresh new faces on a regular basis.

 

[chinavibez]

Interesting topic. I would have thought that after nearly 2 years of living through a pandemic people would need some extra cash to make up for lost income. But clearly by looking at some of the agencies rosters this is not the case. It could be that the lack of demand is a factor here. It would be nice to see rosters that reflect the legendary "Eleganza" where they had fresh new faces on a regular basis.

Changes in demand (for example: husbands and wives both doing WFH suddenly made it harder if not impossible to get out to see SPs frequently), and changes in supply (lower influx of new students, CERB) both play a role imo, I don’t think any of it is permanent, but rather transitory until we find a new normal!

 

[CLOUD 500]

Strange. I see no shortage of escorts and I hardly see any minorities on Merb. There are so many escorts on this site alone. Actually there are way fewer Black escorts on Merb compared to 7 years ago. Just Vog has a few but the rest are White. XO has a few non-White girls. What I did notice is a lot of escorts choosing the Indy path. The main industries affected are the ones that were shut down by the government or ones that had too many restrictions imposed on them. Stripclubs is where there is now a big shortage of talent.

 

[Flyingby]

I don’t think there is a shortage of SP. there is a shortage of clients. Which means girls don’t want to work as much. Some days must me long
Less travelers. And married guys can’t use the going to the office excuse…

 

[MCTJ]

I did a quick search just for fun: comparing the number of girls on the daily roster of two of the major agencies that post daily here on merb. October 2019 (pre covid) vs October 2021. The roster was 1.5 to 2 times longer in 2019 than today pretty much every day. Up to 20 girls per day at one agency! Time will tell if it returns to that level or not. But personally, I am satisfied with the options I have at this point.

As mentioned, due to the relative lack of travellers, it likely would not make sense anyway to have 20 girls on the roster. Supply would exceed demand.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

As a traveler, Ill be doing my part and visiting in a few weeks. If anyone wants to thank me with a free hour with an SP I will share my Venmo/Paypal

 

[envelopes]

Restaurants, retail, and businesses are having a hard time attracting talent.

Is this affecting the Hobby?
Impressions:

- Noticeable lack of new talent entering the industry.
- Shortage of girls 18-21.
- Agencies hiring older, heavier, talent to compensate.
- Minorities (blacks, natives, + Asians) thus increasingly in demand.

TLDR: Much of this might be demographics and CERB related.
It is likely also permanent.
Hobby is readjusting to a new bar.

Yes. I recently posted a 411 thread asking for recommendations

On my previous trips, it was very easy to find pretty short French Canadian girls. At least 4-5 working at every agency. I could see a new one every day and have a very nice time. At the end of a 2 week trip, I could easily have 10-14 A+ sessions.

On this trip, I only found 3 over 2 weeks.

I think another effect is because a lot of girls have no reason to come to Montreal. Most of the hot SPs I have met in the past are from the countryside here to make money. But since there's not much to do right now, and less tourists, new talent have no reason to come. Some girls also not vaccinated, so they cannot go out to bars/restaurants, so they rather stay in the countryside.

 

[AlmostMidaged]

a lot of insdutry that need young people are short staffed. This will include the medical field soon enough. The gouverment basically tucked tail and run pushing their mandate back a month. Pretty pointless given the same health workers will protest and be against getting vaxed a month later though.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I think another effect is because a lot of girls have no reason to come to Montreal. Most of the hot SPs I have met in the past are from the countryside here to make money. But since there's not much to do right now, and less tourists, new talent have no reason to come.

I agree with this. I can recall way back in the day when I-N specialized in such girls. But now the Sugar Daddy sites offer another outlet for the more technical savvy of these girls. While agencies traditionally had an advantage by providing better or more visible security measures, this has changed with the technical innovation of the Video Call. Although ostensibly invented to eliminate scammers who had been preying on both sides on SA, it provides a lady with much needed security in knowing who they will be meeting and being able to screen that person. Ladies now insist on it before a first meeting. The agencies are losing their ground on what had been their most important recruiting pitch: safety. And the lady using SA gets to keep 100% of her fee. Eventually the ability of most agencies to recruit top talent will be completely beaten back by such competitors, who now offer them security in the Video Call tool and the ability to keep their whole fee. It's a win for them. Agencies cannot compete for the top talent.

Just remember one thing guys: technology ALWAYS wins. Just ask all the people who invested in Internet cafes before smartphones were invented.

 

[MCTJ]

Interesting contribution @EagerBeaver . It's true that sugar dating is very likely to draw some young women who otherwise might have turned to "escorting". On top of the safety factor you mention, I would add the issue of stigma. Being an escort/sex worker comes with social stigma. Most escorts will not reveal it to their social circle (even less family). However, even if being a sugar baby is considered sex work by some, it seems to be more accepted and less taboo in general. They can thus benefit more socially by being a sugar baby vs. an escort. Food for thought.

 

[oobe]

The agencies are losing their ground on what had been their most important recruiting pitch: safety.

Not just safety, but also convenience and guaranteed income (for busy agencies). The pool of sugar daddies agreeing to allocations must be limited, after that it's similar to being an indy: you need to take care of advertisement and bookings yourself. So I think it can work best for girls who have more modest needs (student lifestyle) or to complement another job, and agencies have still something to offer.

 

[TheJames101]

TLDR: Much of this might be demographics and CERB related.

CERB ended last year. The replacement, CRB - was cut in half several months ago - which means it's not really enough to even pay rent in many cases. It's not going to keep people from working.

 

[Brolaf]

An agency owner in Toronto told me that girls are more difficult to recruit and retain (and demand to be paid more) than they used to be partly because young women have more alternatives now to the traditional sex industry to make extra income; such as OnlyFans and sugar daddy sites.

I don't think its a demographic thing either, just during my last few trips to the city the number of pretty girls I see walking the streets, and in bars and restaurants is the same as it was 10 years ago.

Its a small sample size but I found that all of the french canadian girls I've met in Montreal through sugar daddy sites are just as good looking (or more) than the SPs I remember seeing from the "good old days".

 

[jmioffe]

Most of the hot SPs I have met in the past are from the countryside here to make money. But since there's not much to do right now, and less tourists, new talent have no reason to come. Some girls also not vaccinated, so they cannot go out to bars/restaurants, so they rather stay in the countryside.

I've heard this a lot, that there are beautiful young naifs in the Canadian countryside. Out of curiousity, can you name some towns or areas that they might come from?

I think this used to be the case in NYC too, when an area was so known for teenage SWs from the midwest that it was called the "Minnesota Strip"

Minnesota Strip - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But no one these days wants women from the American countryside anymore, they're all overweight and toothless from their bad Dollar Store diets. Maybe the dollar store/food desert phenomenon isn't a thing in Canada?

 

[Absolu Copine]

There is considerably more demand than availabilities in the high end market in reputable agencies.

Tourists from out of country has had zero to no impact on demand. It as always been that way. Local demand is considerably more than availabilities. Same for special events like the Montreal Grand Prix. Presently try to make an appointment for an escort in the evening for that same evening - best of luck. Availabilities are inexistant when getting close to 10 am.

We have been hiring for about a bit more than a month now. We are receiving a lot of applications. Out of of the applications received the ones that we actually met sent us older photos - even when we asked them if they were recent and when they were taken. Most were on average about 15 yo 20 pounds heavier. All the others were simply not for the clientele that we cater to, their expectations and the type of escorts we are looking for.

The biggest hurdle that has always been faced by agencies is not the lack of talent. It is the lack of talent in demand. The gap between what women consider what men want and what they actually do is huge. Girl next door vs stripper or street worker look. Over exaggerated lip augmentation, way too much and too long eyebrows, Freddy Kruger length nails, way too much make up, too many tattoos, exaggerated breast augmentations... They are sincerely convinced in the discussion that we have that is what men want and are seeking.

There is also substance or alcohol abuse, reliability to hold a schedule, standards, quality and consistency of services offered...

Some escorts or women that are interested in starting in the field are held back by the current health situation. Quite a few mentioned that their roommates or them have had COVID more than once! The highest was four times!!!

Bars will stay open till 3 am starting November first.

We are patient and evaluate that just a bit before Christmas, if everything stays in control with COVID, and when the vaccination passport requirements will fall that a lot of new talent will come out of hiding.The biggest boom will be in April / May 2022

Meanwhile we continue meeting new talent and hopefully if they meet clients standards & demands and our standards we will introduce them.

Absolu Copine

 

[Halloween Mike]

There is considerably more demand than availabilities in the high end market in reputable agencies.

Tourists from out of country has had zero to no impact on demand. It as always been that way. Local demand is considerably more than availabilities.x. Presently try to make an appointment for an escort in the evening for that same evening - best of luck. Availabilities are inexistant when getting close to 10 am.

Very interesting post, i kept the parts in quotes that i found the most intriguing.

I think indeed locals make up for the majority of booking. Tourist were always a + but thats about it. And you are right, it was so much harder during the last 2 years for me to gear in PLAN B when it had to happen than it was many years ago. Schedules are posted around 1-2am, some agencies in advance too, and by noon its almost fully booked, at least for the "superstars".

The biggest hurdle that has always been faced by agencies is not the lack of talent. It is the lack of talent in demand. The gap between what women consider what men want and what they actually do is huge. Girl next door vs stripper or street worker look. Over exaggerated lip augmentation, way too much and too long eyebrows, Freddy Kruger length nails, way too much make up, too many tattoos, exaggerated breast augmentations... They are sincerely convinced in the discussion that we have that is what men want and are seeking.

Its funny because i am actually one of the guy who enjoy the pornstar/stripper look. I think there may be a shortage of this type of look in agencies compared to 10 years ago. That said, even if i enjoy this look ill admit i am not a fan of overtatooed look and exagerated lips. I like breast augmentation but not to the point of being basket balls size... Don't get me wrong, i enjoy girl next door and natural breast as well, but i really am attracted to the stripper look.
But i am still rather young vs the majority of clients and i think the "problem" is the culture of today. Tatoos for exemple have become so common, those girls you mention are going out with guys who are big muscle man tatooed and "bad boys" looking. Thats what they crave in their life and the look they go for is to cather to these men, not the 70 years old client they gonna see in their job. I live in a small village and we currently have 2 tatoo shops... its crazy, there was none for decades .. Its like now everybody want a tatoo no matter what, while in the 90s and early 2000s it was more representative of the alternative/punk look or litteraly bikers/prisoners look.

There is also substance or alcohol abuse, reliability to hold a schedule, standards, quality and consistency of services offered...

This was always a common thing i feel, but majorly improved with what i call "the Goodgirls revolution". Mike was known to be "severe" and the agency was the biggest and every escorts wanted to be in it. There was other agencies but none was as big as GG, it wasn't like right now. So Mike made sure that in general the service was great. I feel it was kept for a while when GG folded and the current big agencies took its place. Now could it have reverted back? I dunno. Possible. I can't say for sure as i met so few the past couple years compare to back then.

Some escorts or women that are interested in starting in the field are held back by the current health situation. Quite a few mentioned that their roommates or them have had COVID more than once! The highest was four times!!!

How can this be possible? You are supose to be immune for 6 months after healing from Covid at the very least. Covid is not even 2 years old, so 4 times? Think its not possible.

when the vaccination passport requirements will fall that a lot of new talent will come out of hiding.The biggest boom will be in April / May 2022

But will it? Lol im not counting on it. We are still in "emercy state" while the emergency is long done. I have a sad feeling the vaccinal passeport is there to stay til 2023 at the very earliest. We know Legault... he likes to keep control.

Meanwhile we continue meeting new talent and hopefully if they meet clients standards & demands and our standards we will introduce them.

Absolu Copine

Great !

Now for my point of view on this.... ONLYFANS. I think this site decreased the supply in EVERY field. Its crazy how many DM i receive from account i just subbed free or subbed for 1 month and canceled that seem insane to me. 2 pictures for 30$US, 4min for videos for 50$US, and what i find the most ridiculous, cock ratings (basically they want you to pay to send them a pic of your penis for them to "rate". The concept of "simps" has really took ground and some men just like to throw money for very few. It can be to just talk to the girl (or someone handling her account lol) or mundane other things. They kinda crave "the attention" she gonna give them. Its not anymore paying for sex or buying porn, it became a concept of "attention" and almost like a virtual suggar daddy thing.

There is one former escort who advertised here that now has an OF and an Instagram and i saw her answer a few times that she "does not meet". She never says "i don't meet anymore". Clearly she realized she can make more money with OF than having to meet clients. She wasn't very well reviewed too, known to be uninspired and doing minimal, while her videos (i bough one) are surprisingly good. She probably make them with her boyfriend or fuckfriend or whatever, and she makes between 15US and 30US per video for roughly 6 to 8 minutes. Thats a lot of money in a way but she ain't nowhere the most expensive i saw on OF.

Also there is the concept of higher market. I see some instagram girls (Quebecoise) who travel all the time everywhere, and they don't seem to have "regular jobs" yet they seem to have a lot of moneys. I wouldn't be surprise they do meet but very UTR in the bigger agencies like Lourdes as part of their UTR rosters. Or maybe even more UTR than that. Who knows. No way they get that ammount of money for simply doing "Bang energy promotion"

 

[jmioffe]

those girls you mention are going out with guys who are big muscle man tatooed and "bad boys" looking. Thats what they crave in their life and the look they go for is to cather to these men, not the 70 years old client they gonna see in their job.

This is a good point. I was wondering why so many girls get the tattoos and basketball lips stripper look if it's so unpopular. I guess this is one answer.

There is one former escort who advertised here that now has an OF and an Instagram and i saw her answer a few times that she "does not meet". She never says "i don't meet anymore". Clearly she realized she can make more money with OF than having to meet clients. She wasn't very well reviewed too, known to be uninspired and doing minimal, while her videos (i bough one) are surprisingly good. She probably make them with her boyfriend or fuckfriend or whatever, and she makes between 15US and 30US per video for roughly 6 to 8 minutes. Thats a lot of money in a way but she ain't nowhere the most expensive i saw on OF.

Scarlett's not the girl you're talking about because she was a sensation when she first appeared at XO, but it breaks my heart that she's largely OF now! Kelly too.

However, it seems like some SWs try the OF route, discover it's not for them, and keep seeing clients.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Scarlett's not the girl you're talking about because she was a sensation when she first appeared at XO, but it breaks my heart that she's largely OF now! Kelly too.

No its not Scarlett i was talking about. From my understanding she does only solo/gg and no B/G unless she changed that. I was speaking of Alissa Rose. Who is the Kelly you mention?


I think Scarlett may still be available but trough Lourdes, a big agency that book pornstars in the US for sums like 1500$/h. They didn't advertise her name but i saw a picture pass in a post that looked like her. I don't have acces to the Lourdes roster as you need to put 1000$ retainer (that goes trough your first booking but you have a certain time to do it) and they have very intrusive screening forms.

 

[jmioffe]

No its not Scarlett i was talking about. From my understanding she does only solo/gg and no B/G unless she changed that. I was speaking of Alissa Rose. Who is the Kelly you mention?

Kelly's a less popular former XO gal. When you say "solo/gg and no B/G" -- that's in reference to her video, right? Yes, that seems to be what I've seen as well.

I think Scarlett may still be available but trough Lourdes, a big agency that book pornstars in the US for sums like 1500$/h. They didn't advertise her name but i saw a picture pass in a post that looked like her. I don't have acces to the Lourdes roster as you need to put 1000$ retainer (that goes trough your first booking but you have a certain time to do it) and they have very intrusive screening forms.

$1500? Wow. That's close to 7x what she was charging two years ago. More power to her, if only all of us could get raises like that.

She is good at her job though. Odd thing to say, but I find some intelligence and thought behind the porn she produces. It's not just "come look at me, I'm a pretty girl, don't you want to lust for me?"