Robin Williams dies at 63 of apparent suicide - August 11th, 2014

[Merlot]

Hello all,

...that's no hero.

You're right and I was referring to you and your cold-blooded response, picking at his dead body.

Dick Cavett, who has battled severe depression for almost his entire life, said on the day after Williams killed himself that when you've reached the state of mind he was in at the time, that the easiest thing to do at that point is to kill yourself in order to stop dealing with your demons & mental issues once and for all.

You actually presume this refers to being thoughtful, rational, and in control instead of confused, suffering, desperate, irrational. When Cavett goes as far as describing the situation as dealing with demons and mental issues he's not talking about a lucid free choice but very high mental stress and irrationality.

He also did a lot of drugs in the past. He also did a lot of boozing. He had a history of depression, which may or may not have been caused by his addictions or he could have inherited them. He took the easy way out and gave up on life by hanging himself.

So you think a person suffering from the long term effects of boozing, drugs, depression and possibly inherited psychological disorders is fully responsible for taking..."the easy way out". :noidea:

Ok, don't wanna sound like the expert here, but I work with suicidal individuals regularly, that's my job, and I can assure you that suicide is rarely a rational decision

Some people just don't accept what the situation does to people or just don't have any wish to.



Merlot

 

[jeff jones]

Weak for taking the easiest way out by killing himself instead of manning up & dealing with his problems.

Doc,

As usual you hit the nail on the head. You have to step up and accept responsibility for your life and get the help you need. He did indeed take the easy way out.

JJ

 

[Merlot]

Doc,

As usual you hit the nail on the head. You have to step up and accept responsibility for your life and get the help you need. He did indeed take the easy way out.

JJ

You mean like constantly whining no escort likes you JJ. BOOM BABY!!! Nail gone. :thumb:

Many CHEERS JJ,

Merlot

 

[Roadtripr]

You guys just strive to be Master-Debaters. I french is it Master-de-baters?

 

[jeff jones]

You mean like constantly whining no escort likes you JJ. BOOM BABY!!! :thumb:

Merlot,

This is why i would like to get together with you for a beer and discuss this biz with you. You are a 6 out of 10 facially, your ratings and i would like to know how a guy who is just a bit better looking then average is able to have so many escorts fall in love with him. What in the hell is your secret, how do you do it. Come on don't be so modest i am sure you would put Brad Pitt to shame in the looks department. I have heard just how good looking a john you are, i am very envious.

JJ

 

[Doc Holliday]

Ok, don't wanna sound like the expert here, but I work with suicidal individuals regularly, that's my job, and I can assure you that suicide is rarely a rational decision

How would you know? Did any of the ones who killed themselves successfully come back from the dead & tell you whether or not their decision was a rational one?

 

[jeff jones]

How would you know? Did any of the ones who killed themselves successfully come back from the dead & tell you whether or not their decision was a rational one?

Now that's an original thought, i appreciate it when people think outside of the box.

JJ

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

suicide is rarely a rational decision

I have had friends that committed suicide, 1 was an addict, 1 over a girl and the other no one could figure out. Long term solution over a short term problem.

 

[Madmanacross]

How would you know? Did any of the ones who killed themselves successfully come back from the dead & tell you whether or not their decision was a rational one?

Come on Doc, you know better than that... Derision is a defensive attitude...And the refuge of to the weak ?? No, you couldn't be weak, of course...And I'm of course not using derision myself....

Now, to answer your question, if it is one...Well, may be I've been lucky, but I never lost a client/patient to suicide, which I'm very proud of; many have attempted suicide or considered doing it, though. In treatment, this is something they talk about openly in general; they will talk about their intentions and attempts. And it's when they talk about it that you can tell that their judgment is impaired. Mood disorders have a major impact on cognitions and distorted cognitions affect the decisions you make... But what do I know, right ?

 

[Doc Holliday]

It never ceases to amaze me that the great Richard Pryor, whom i considered vastly funnier & brilliant than the overrated Robin Williams, never received as much praise or barely a sniff when he passed away. It makes me wonder.....had Robin Williams been black, would he have been praised as much? Would CNN have talked nonstop about Williams had he not been caucasian? We'll never know......

 

[Madmanacross]

Long term solution over a short term problem.

This is a sentence that we often use when we work with suicidal individuals.

 

[Merlot]

It never ceases to amaze me that the great Richard Pryor, whom i considered vastly funnier & brilliant than the overrated Robin Williams,...

I would never honor a trashed mouthed fool who botched his own suicide attempt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pryor

"On June 9, 1980, during the making of the film Bustin' Loose, Richard Pryor set himself on fire after freebasing cocaine and drinking 151-proof rum. While on fire, he ran down Parthenia Street from his Northridge, California home, until being subdued by police. He was taken to the hospital, where he was treated for burns covering more than half of his body. Pryor spent six weeks in recovery at the Herpolscheimer Burn Center at Sherman Oaks Hospital. His daughter, Rain Pryor, stated that Pryor poured high-proof rum over his body and set himself on fire in a bout of drug-induced psychosis.[36] Later, in an on-camera interview, Pryor commented, "I tried to commit suicide".

So this is your hero Doc? Someone who didn't have any known mental illness but was destroying himself with drugs, then tried to kill himself. WHAT WAS IT YOU SAID ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE PRYOR!!!

Weak for taking the easiest way out by killing himself instead of manning up & dealing with his problems.

Fits perfectly huh Doc.

People should learn to be more generous and understanding about the troubles of others, try to understand suffering and not be impulsive on judgment. Then they might not be trapped so easily in contradiction.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Madmanacross]

Merlot, concerning your previous post, let's just say that some people on this thread have their little contradictions...

Also, some people have limited insight and knowledge regarding human nature and psyche, but sometimes, paradoxically, the less you know about something, the more you think you understand that thing, and it leaves you with the impression that you can express a significant point of view about it. But the less you know, the more your point of view will be simplistic...Manning up...taking the easy way out...being weak... This is primitive psychology; it applies to military boot camps, but not to psychopathology and behavioral/affective problems.

Liked your story about Richard Pryor; had never heard of it.

 

[Madmanacross]

Since this thread has been created firts and foremost to say farewell to Robin Williams, here's a touching video of him with Koko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9I_QvEXDv0

He was probably not the greatest actor, he had his problems, he was just another human being, but sometimes, on some occasions, he managed to touch the Heart of the multitude. Farewell, my friend

 

[Doc Holliday]

So this is your hero Doc? Someone who didn't have any known mental illness but was destroying himself with drugs, then tried to kill himself. WHAT WAS IT YOU SAID ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE PRYOR!!!

You must have misunderstood what i wrote, my dear friend. I never wrote or implied that Richard Pryor was my hero. I simply stated that he & Williams weren't that much different other than the fact Pryor had more talent, yet his passing was barely mentionned by the media at the time.

Unlike you my friend, i prefer not to honor or glorify crazy suicidal junkies who cowardly took the easy way out. That's all. I believe i'm entitled to my own opinion just like anyone else.

 

[jeff jones]

I believe i'm entitled to my own opinion just like anyone else.

Doc,

My old buddy, have you lost your mind. You are not entitled to your own opinion here. To get along you must be a pack animal. You can't have an independent thought on this board. It is frowned upon and not welcome. What ever the masses say just agree with it, They are always right.

JJ

 

[Madmanacross]

You must have misunderstood what i wrote, my dear friend. I never wrote or implied that Richard Pryor was my hero. I simply stated that he & Williams weren't that much different other than the fact Pryor had more talent, yet his passing was barely mentionned by the media at the time.

Unlike you my friend, i prefer not to honor or glorify crazy suicidal junkies who cowardly took the easy way out. That's all. I believe i'm entitled to my own opinion just like anyone else.

You have the right to have an opinion on this subject despite the fact that you have no understanding of what psychiatric conditions are all about. The only thing that shows in your comments is your ignorance on thoses issues... It's a crying shame to see that in our days and age, some people have a point of view like yours. People with mental health issues deserve respect, understanding and treatments, not prejudicial remarks that bring us back to the middle ages.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Doc,

My old buddy, have you lost your mind. You are not entitled to your own opinion here. To get along you must be a pack animal. You can't have an independent thought on this board. It is frowned upon and not welcome. What ever the masses say just agree with it, They are always right.

JJ

JJ, the previous poster has just proven that once again, you are 100% correct.

p.s. I am being a gentleman as always & being respectful of others. Yet, just because i do not see eye-to-eye with them, they attack me with hurtful words. Why is this so?

 

[Madmanacross]

JJ, the previous poster has just proven that once again, you are 100% correct.

Having an independant thought does not mean that you have the right to say things that are senseless...But then again, like the poet said: the beauty of ignorance is that, when you are ignorant on a given subject, you even ignore that you are

 

[BookerL]

. People with mental health issues deserve respect, understanding and treatments, not prejudicial remarks that bring us back to the middle ages.

Very interesting comments you are making !

It is very sad when someone takes is own life !

Robin Williams will be remembered for what now ?Sad,Sad,Sad


Regards


BookerL