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Robin Williams dies at 63 of apparent suicide - August 11th, 2014

Doc Holliday

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You are totally right, this is an escort review board; still, it does not give you the right, as I've mentionned earlier, to express a point of view that is not even one...Your views on mental health problems, when you say that people should man up instead of being weak, are ridiculous, derogatory and only help in stigmatizing those suffering from mental problems, and this, you may know by now, I will not accept. We have worked hard in our field to offer dignity to those struggling with depression, so I will not give an uninformed perrson and his stereotypical ideas easy way out...

Again, you are being extremely stubborn and want to deny me my right to express MY opinion and MY point-of-view. You are also extremely stubborn in once again assuming that i'm misinformed on the subject. You know nothing about me. All you know about me is what i want you to know or believe.

Two hours ago, i had lunch with my best friend who happens to be a clinical psychologist. He's been a psychologist for just under 40 years. I spoke to him about this thread and about this merbite (you) who claimed to be a psychologist and disagreed with my theories, on top of wanting to deny me the right to having a different opinion and expressing it. I asked him to take a look at the thread when he would have a chance. Well, 15 minutes ago, he texted me to tell me that he agreed with everything that i said. So there you go! :D
 

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Again, you are being extremely stubborn and want to deny me my right to express MY opinion and MY point-of-view. You are also extremely stubborn in once again assuming that i'm misinformed on the subject. You know nothing about me. All you know about me is what i want you to know or believe.

Two hours ago, i had lunch with my best friend who happens to be a clinical psychologist. He's been a psychologist for just under 40 years. I spoke to him about this thread and about this merbite (you) who claimed to be a psychologist and disagreed with my theories, on top of wanting to deny me the right to having a different opinion and expressing it. I asked him to take a look at the thread when he would have a chance. Well, 15 minutes ago, he texted me to tell me that he agreed with everything that i said. So there you go! :D


Yeah right...I believe you...
 

Doc Holliday

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fighting against stereotypes is not easy and one should pick his battles wisely....

Battle? What battle? We simply have a difference of opinion & you refused to allow me to express mine. You wouldn't happen to be a narcissist, by chance? :confused:

p.s. JJ, you were 100% correct about some of these people.
 

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I'm not the one who thinks he's correct about everything who refuses to allow others to have & express an opinion. :rolleyes:

I don't think I'm correct...I just think you're wrong with your stereotypes and uninformed views... Anyways, I've said enough about this...
 

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I don't think I'm correct...I just think you're wrong with your stereotypes and uninformed views... Anyways, I've said enough about this...

I don't mind if you think my opinion isn't correct and that you disagree with me. But i object when you refuse me the right to have and express a different opinion than yours, then when i post that a psychologist agrees with my views and opinion, you claim i made it up. Just because it doesn't match yours.

p.s. My clinical psychologist friend also shares the same opinion i have in regards to Robin Williams.
 

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Yeah, I'm sure your supposed friend agrees that people who are depressed and suicidal are weak and should man up....If i were to say that to a client/patient, I'd have my ass sued, and rightly so, cause those remarks would be totally unprofessional and prejudicial; we have a code of deontology that prohibits the use of such language. We can only express point of views that are clinically sound and scientifically supported...Here, on this thread, it is of course different, and anyone can come up with the most outrageous ideas...
 

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From what I read Robin Williams was in the early stages of Parkinson's Disease a symptom of which is severe depression. It seems likely that the pre-illness Williams would not have committed suicide. However the illness inflicts a diseased state of mind. I doubt that he was capable of appreciating his own actions in a logical way. I have observed mental illness both in a family member and while doing community service at a local hospital and it is something that can really fool with your head if you try applying logic.

I had a relative in early stage dementia who waffled between extreme lucidity one day and wild fantasies the next. On the lucid days I was convinced he was fine. He would talk about real life events that occurred in the 1920s on a US battleship in the Pacific as if they happened yesterday. The next day he would describe to me how he had been smuggled into a construction site as part of an elaborate conspiracy and his plans to shatter the conspiracy. There is no logic to illnesses that rob one of rational thought and it is pointless to apply rationales to people not thinking rationally.
 

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From what I read Robin Williams was in the early stages of Parkinson's Disease a symptom of which is severe depression. It seems likely that the pre-illness Williams would not have committed suicide. However the illness inflicts a diseased state of mind. I doubt that he was capable of appreciating his own actions in a logical way. I have observed mental illness both in a family member and while doing community service at a local hospital and it is something that can really fool with your head if you try applying logic.

I had a relative in early stage dementia who waffled between extreme lucidity one day and wild fantasies the next. On the lucid days I was convinced he was fine. He would talk about real life events that occurred in the 1920s on a US battleship in the Pacific as if they happened yesterday. The next day he would describe to me how he had been smuggled into a construction site as part of an elaborate conspiracy and his plans to shatter the conspiracy. There is no logic to illnesses that rob one of rational thought and it is pointless to apply rationales to people not thinking rationally.

Thank you EB for this..rational point of view..
 

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I believe that you finally got it! Hooray! :D

p.s. Im certain that your 'professional' opinion sometimes differs than your 'personal' opinion.

I will always react promptly to statements that are prejudicial, even on a MERB thread...You are now informed...
 

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We finally are rid of a guy who every week would call ignorance to people who dare not agree with him

:whoo:

But he still appears even walking down the street minding your own business ! :noidea:

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Smuler
 

Merlot

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Hello all,

You must have misunderstood what i wrote, my dear friend.

I very clearly understood. Now you are embarrassed you are honoring a alcoholic and cocaine junkie with no known mental disorder issues who also tried to commit suicide after raising him above Williams, and to cover up for that you've started a diversio0nary whine about no one respecting your right to have an opinion, which NO ONE ever said or implied.

Well you've said very recently and several times before how you used to care what you say and don't any more. No one needs any more proof than this totally fabricated complaint about people being against your right to an opinion which you've used to take this thread way off track. The real objection is you've given your view in a very hateful manner, cold-blooded manner with no effort or intent to deal with proven modern medicine on emotional disorders as if you were stuck in the Middle Ages as Madmanacross pointed out...until these last posts. If you want to post your OPINION a thousand times do it. But no one is required to respect it. I SURE DON'T!!! It's crude, cruel and very stunted. If you had any real integrity you'd be saying the same things about Pryor and his suicide attempt. But you got caught in a big contradiction and decided to be defensive with this...why can't I have an opinion...diversionary crap.

Then here comes Iggy also crying about a right to an opinion. Never mind that he set up free-for-all standards in sports threads, then when he got back what he was given in counter OPINIONS he resorted to calling everyone stalker or crap disturber and tried to get the mods to ban them for their opinions. And be very careful around him about giving good opinions about other agencies because he'll come after you with PMs and use his party position for coercion against his friends. That's what he calls respecting an opinion.

What a lucky girl to pour herself out to someone like him without the capacity to understand or sympathize, and downright doesn't care.

As for JJ. He crusades for alleged strangers ;) like C36 who unleashed a torrent of malignant bile against me, MaxxxEdge, STN, and others because of their OPINIONS.

You guys wouldn't know how to have integrity on this if it flew up your butts and got stuck there.

I totally get your story and can also vouch for what you wrote since i've also had similar experiences. Many people suffering from mental illness (e.g. bipolar disorder) think they can stop taking their medication when they've been feeling better for some time & usually will start falling off a cliff again & make life miserable not only for themselves, but especially for their loved ones.

This totally contradicts everything you've been saying about taking the "easy way out" because you are acknowledging a lack of control over what they are doing without the meds.

Yet you impose a cruel cold-blooded judgment on them.

Again, you are being extremely stubborn and want to deny me my right to express MY opinion and MY point-of-view.

No this has been your diversionary defensive tactic for talking points.

For many, killing themselves is the most rational thing & the easiest thing for them to do when it comes to a certain point. It would be unfair for others to judge their intentions & how rational their process of thinking was at the time.

Yet your very first impulse was to make an absolute judgment and completely condemn someone for what you claimed was a rational choice. HELLO POT!!!

From what I read Robin Williams was in the early stages of Parkinson's Disease a symptom of which is severe depression. It seems likely that the pre-illness Williams would not have committed suicide. However the illness inflicts a diseased state of mind. I doubt that he was capable of appreciating his own actions in a logical way. I have observed mental illness both in a family member and while doing community service at a local hospital and it is something that can really fool with your head if you try applying logic.

Thanks.

I have always found the manner of Williams death personally disturbing, and not just because it was a suicide. It's been hard to accept in view his being such a warm, positive, caring and giving human being. Such a person could not have been in control of himself or have made a free rational choice to do this. But he was a great, GREAT human being...and it's a disgrace for anyone to want to trash that.

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Merlot
 

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Merlot, thank you for your contribution here...Me, I'm just a newbie, almost nobody would support my point of view directly... So it counts when established Merbites like you come up and make a statement
 

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Gents,

Merlot, thank you for your contribution here...Me, I'm just a newbie, almost nobody would support my point of view directly... So it counts when established Merbites like you come up and make a statement

There is no such thing as greater or lesser credibility on this issue because of having 1 post or 10 million. No one on a sex board can prove he's more qualified... and someone writing that post numbers make a difference means nothing. What gives credibility is the ability to come across as rational and consistent with well developed argumentation that has logic and sense with knowledge value. That doesn't matter if one takes your view or Docs view. I could respect the view that it was "the easy way out" if it wasn't laced with so much contradiction, disingenuous diversion, and malignancy. I have no respect for cold-blooded heartlessness...EVER!

Please continue. You're being as thoughtful as anyone.

Truly,

Merlot
 

Madmanacross

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Gents,



There is no such thing as greater or lesser credibility on this issue because of having 1 post or 10 million. No one on a sex board can prove he's more qualified... and someone writing that post numbers make a difference means nothing. What give credibility is the ability to come across as rational, consistent, well developed argumentation that has logic and sense. That doesn't matter if one takes your view or Docs view. I could respect the view that it was "the easy way out" if it wasn't laced with so much contradiction, disingenuous diversion, and malignancy. I have no respect for cold-blooded heartlessness...EVER!

Please continue. You're being as thoughtful as anyone.

Truly,

Merlot

I appreciate this perspective on things...And your integrity...
 
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