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hungry101

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A balance is needed between pure capitalism and socialism Hungry. I think Canada is one of the best country in the world who understood that. I love the united states, I really do. But it's a love/hate relationship because I hate how the number one economy of the world can perform so poorly on so many levels. Why do you guys have such inequity? You guys think the problem are the chinese or the mexicans who stole your jobs. This is bogus. The money and power is held by your elite 2% that shit on you all each day. You are the fucking #1 economy in the world!

Here in Canada, quebec, I am part of the 2%. But I pay 50% in taxes each year. I dont give a shit that I pay so much because I do not need to live in a fucking gated community to survive. In fact, I rarely lock my front door!

Cheers,

p.s. I did read 3 biography of the Che and Castro, in my own time ;)

I read about them too. As a Marine I thought it was important to read about my enemy. Yes, I have a love/hate relationship with Canada too...mostly love...the people, the food, the way they talk, and mostly the natural beauty. Quebec City is beautiful. Also the women of Quebec....drive up from Maine and you know when you are getting close to Quebec when the women in the shops have that French influence in their faces and look more like women than old sea hags.

There is some truth to what you say about the gated community but look deeper.

To Hungry101 re: Quebec schools

School in Quebec not free, very cheap mind you. My daughters second semester 5 classes cost me $75 and $200 for books, rez is $330 a month. A few years ago I read that the dropout rate for Quebec with cheap schooling is a lot higher than the provinces with expensive schooling, guessing that if you pay for it you will try harder. My ex-wife is abusing the adult school sysyem, getting free schooling and paid a good amount to take care of herself. My son went to a heavy duty mechanic school for two years, all tools supplied and only needed to buy work boots, cost me $250 a semester. Quebec is also the highest taxed place probably in North America when you add all the taxes together so use what is available, you have a luxury no other province has, study your ass off and work hard at it. Love the ultra cheap beer also.
One man's opportunity is another man's invite to abuse the system.

Not just that... Almost everything is cheaper here even car insurance. Those people in Ontario are paying 200% more. Then you got much lower rents in Quebec. At the end what is important is the discretionary income. As per the stats households in the west have much higher debt then the east. I wonder why. What is needed is the right balance between the left and right. Extreme of both is no good. The European countries like Finland and Ireland got the best of both worlds. You talk about Castro well one can talk about Hitler. Either way extreme left and extreme right is no good. Look at Africa and India these are pure capitalistic countries and the majority are living in poverty with the 1% who are very rich. In India for example the rich got servants since there are no minimum wage laws and they pay them peanuts. Those people are hard workers but they had the misfortune to be born into a poor family and greedy fuckers like those keep them poor. Things have changed somewhat in India the government has stepped in and raised the wages by a lot and many Indians are living far better... Many people have multiple cars. What you wrote hiding from work and the real world is very judgemental. You got no clue the the suffering those people went threw. I look at over privileged greedy CEOs who keep on jacking up prices at the expense of the working class to live that luxurious life. The same goes for politicians.

Yes it was very judgmental. I am sick and tired of being judged by the left here. We had a disastrous president. He is the first in recent history to not experience 3% growth in any quarter. That was a nice parting shot with him letting 1000's out of prison.

Don't worry...if you are shiftless there are plenty of places to "shirk" in the US and become a complete drain on the system.

You mention that you grew up in a wealthy family. So that is why you are a committed socialist? Reminds me of the line from the movie about Howard Hughes called the Aviator. He meets his wife Kate Hepburn's family for the first time. He was explaining what he does for a living and they cut him off. They explained that they don't care about money. Hughes, played by Leonardo Decaprio, said that is because you got it. He reiterated "You don't care about money because you got it."

I came from a rather large family and we didn't have much. My dad was frugal and extremely hard working. He was the first in his family to graduate from college. My Grandfathers were immigrants. My Grandfather on one side was sent over from Europe at age 15 - alone - after WWI with nothing! He was sent over because his family couldn't feed him. He worked in the coal mines and then in the auto industry. He sent money home. My grandfather was a hero when he went home in the 50's and he handed out money and rebuilt the family home after an earthquake. My Grandfather died relatively well off. My father died a Millionaire. My family went to school to learn a skill that would feed us and not sponge off anyone. My offspring have done the same. I'll be God Damned if one of mine will go to school for 6 years and earn a degree in some Gobbledygook such as Gender Studies. You've got to eat people!!!! Learn a marketable skill first and then you can come on here and we can call each other comrade and we can feign some concern for the poor somewhere and we can talk about how the government can fix all ills. The US is still the land of opportunity! Let us not kill the goose that laid the Golden Egg.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
. I see you are a firm believer in trickle down economics which has been a complete failure. Your friend Brian Mulroney and Ronald Reagan initiated a recession that never stopped.

First off I am not friends with Brian or Ronald, never met them. Just because I am Conservative does not mean I agree with everything they do. Second, I am not a firm believer in trickle down economics, what I do not agree with is over taxing coroprations or hard workers to pay for someone with no ambition to better themselves, I have old friends and friends kids who abuse the system, even my ex-wife abuses the system, she has not worked for decades and still owns a house, drinks and smokes, goes out for meals. If governments put their resources to get rid of these freeloaders instead of trying to find more ways to get money to support them I think we would have a far better economy. Look at what Liberals have done to Ontario and Quebec, the debt is massive and growing, look at the new projected federal debt, another 130 billion after his 4 year term, who the fuck is going to pay for all this? My kids and their kids? Also, the recession will never stop in Canada because with the Liberal government is not business friendly. Pretty sure that Greece is a socialist country, look at the shit storm it has caused.
Socialism is particularly dangerous because it's so perfectly suited for the modern era. It's the ultimate "miracle" product: it's "nice," it's "fair," it'll make you feel good about yourself, it'll "help" people who "deserve it" by taking things away from people who "have so much" they'll barely miss it. It sounds wonderful, doesn't it? But, like most products with sleazy salesmen and hidden track records, the promises socialism makes are all a mirage. Since our schools do a terrible job of teaching history and economics these days, it's our job to explain how socialism slowly, insidiously eats away at the core of a society.
1) It kills economic growth: Strong economic growth is what produces jobs, tax revenue and a better standard of living for everyone, including the poor and middle class. That's what John F. Kennedy was driving at when he said, "A rising tide (in the economy) lifts all boats." Socialism strangles economic growth in the crib by penalizing success and rewarding failure. When you loot the successful people in a society to give it to the less successful, you quite naturally reduce the number of successful people and encourage more people to fail. This leads to a never-ending cycle. The more people in need there are, the more the successful must be penalized to pay for them. The more the successful are penalized, the fewer successful people there are. This causes wealth to concentrate in fewer hands, the economy slows down, and even more people need help. It goes on and on until you get a slow economy that can't produce enough tax revenue to sustain itself. That's exactly what killed the Soviet Union, it's killing Greece right now and sadly, the United States and most of Western Europe is on exactly the same path.
2) It stifles free speech: Why is there ridiculous government propaganda in nations like North Korea? Why are most schools, papers, and colleges run by liberals in the United States? Why do liberals often try to disrupt conservative speakers on college campuses? Why are there such extreme speech codes in Canada that it practically makes some conservative arguments illegal? Why does speaking out against the government risk imprisonment in China and the old Soviet Union? Because socialism requires protection, propaganda, intimidation, and darkness to survive. Socialism can't survive honest, informed debate about its merits among people who are free to choose or reject it because it would not survive the conversation. As Reagan said, "How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
 

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The only socialist I know in real life is a 32-year old Russian who lives in his moms basement. Socialism gives him a great sense of nobility.
I am not referring anyone in this thread tho.
 

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I fail to see the relevance of this..

No problem you are in excellent company Premier Levesque and Premier Parizeau did also fail to see the relevance!
Rent control doesn't equal affordable rents . anyone that can read will see it http://www.frapru.qc.ca


Montréal, le 20 janvier 2017 – Au moment où la Régie du logement publie l’outil de calcul des hausses de loyer actualisé pour l’année 2017, le Front d’action populaire en réaménagement urbain (FRAPRU) dénonce que l’organisme gouvernemental ait fait le choix de ne plus publier les indices d’estimation des augmentations, sans avertissement de surcroit. Ces indices reflétaient les modes de chauffage des immeubles et permettaient aux locataires de chiffrer approximativement l’augmentation que leur propriétaire pouvait réclamer au prochain renouvellement de leur bail, même s’il leur fallait ensuite valider l’augmentation demandée en utilisant le formulaire en ligne. Alors que les coûts de toutes les composantes de loyer, dont le chauffage, sont à la baisse face à l’an dernier, les augmentations demandées devraient généralement être inférieures à celles de 2016 avertit le FRAPRU. « Il s’agissait d’un outil plus facile d’accès. La Régie du logement répond clairement à une demande des propriétaires, sans se soucier des difficultés causées aux locataires. C’est scandaleux. », déplore Véronique Laflamme, porte-parole du FRAPRU.

Le FRAPRU rappelle qu’une large partie des ménages locataires rencontre déjà des difficultés majeures à assumer le coût actuel de leur logement. Selon le plus récent rapport sur le marché locatif de la Société canadienne d’hypothèques et de logement, le loyer moyen est de 760$ dans la Région métropolitaine de Montréal, de 740$ dans celle de Gatineau et de 781$ dans celle de Québec. « Pour l’ensemble du Québec, le loyer moyen est maintenant de 726 $ par mois. Pour payer une telle somme sans y consacrer plus que la norme de 30 % de ses revenus, il faut avoir un revenu annuel de plus de 29 000 $, ce qui n’est évidemment pas le cas de bien trop de locataires », explique Véronique Laflamme.

Le FRAPRU rappelle qu’au Québec 479 750 ménages locataires doivent consacrer plus de 30% de leur revenu pour se loger, dont 227 835 plus de 50% et 108 475 plus de 80%. « Les hausses de loyer ont un impact direct sur la capacité des locataires à assurer tous leurs autres besoins, dont se nourrir en quantité et qualité suffisante », s’indigne Véronique Laflamme, rappelant que le Bilan-Faim 2016 du réseau des Banques alimentaires Québec déplore déjà quelque 98 000 demandes d’aide alimentaire d’urgence de plus en 2016 qu’en 2015. L’organisme de défense du droit au logement estime que toute nouvelle hausse de loyer ne pourra qu’aggraver la situation.

Faute d’un contrôle obligatoire des loyers, le FRAPRU recommande donc aux locataires de faire preuve de vigilance face à la hausse de loyer demandée par leur propriétaire. Il conseille aux locataires de s’adresser au comité logement ou à l’association des locataires de leur région, ville ou quartier pour les aider dans l’évaluation de la hausse demandée.

Finalement, à quelques semaines du budget, le FRAPRU exhorte Québec à agir afin d’améliorer les conditions de logement des ménages locataires. « Le gouvernement Couillard doit réinvestir massivement dans la réalisation de nouveaux logements sociaux, que ce soit en construction neuve ou par des projet d’achat et de rénovation de bâtiments existants. Les coupes drastiques effectuées dans le programme AccèsLogis depuis deux ans sont inacceptables. Les centaines de millions de dollars obtenus du gouvernement fédéral pour le logement doivent être consacrés au développement de nouveaux logements sociaux », affirme Véronique Laflamme.




Some people are blindsided by there fantasy belief .
The Province of Quebec has the tightest rent control laws in North America and still have a affordability crisis and to put it worst the worst maintained properties ,the end result in Quebec is catastrophic





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Booker
 
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