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I knew from a long time that LE are some piece of shi* for me...but sadly is sad that someone took that security identification and did that...Nobody is safe i guess anywhere in those time of year...sad..
 

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Apparently the shooter was off duty police but in the video and photos he appeared to try and blend in with the security detail. Nobody questioned his presence and looks like shooter had inside help to me.
 

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I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this murder shows that if a group of (powerful, wealthy or fanatic) people wants someone gone, it will be done. This killing smells of inside job to me as well. Everyone is vulnerable to forces beyond their control, even the most powerful heads of nations. It's a scary world out there. Look at what happened to one of the Israeli prime minister who was assassinated by supposedly a lone gun man, despite the fact that his body guards are probably as good or better than the US Secret Service officers. Let's hope President Putin reacts "rationally". It's certainly tragic on humanitarian, historical and social scales (based on images I see in social and traditional media) as to the destruction being done by the proxy wars in Syria. Let's hope the New Year (2017) brings greater peace on Earth and alleviate much of the sufferings in conflict countries.
 

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Are people really this gullible?

I did not see anyone get shot, did you? All I saw was a shaky camera which means it was originally handed by a human being which all of a sudden becomes amazingly still as if placed on a tripod.

The person that recorded this must have nerves of steel, no turning or jumping to the sound of the gun (which should happen). Not hiding the camera in fear (which should happen) and then, being as calm as a tripod as all of this goes on. LOL Puh-lease.

Also this is supposed to be reality and not the movies - he just fired a hand-gun (do you know what type of HG that is? if you do... you understand) and then ... you can see why this video is utter baloney.

Fake news, there is a lot of it.
 

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It's a scary world out there. Look at what happened to one of the Israeli prime minister who was assassinated by supposedly a lone gun man.

It's a scary world because a prime minister of a small country 8,000 kilometers away got killed in the 80's? Um, yeah, ok.

Besides all of the fake news we get, the world is much more peaceful now than it has been in a long time...
 

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Apparently the shooter was off duty police but in the video and photos he appeared to try and blend in with the security detail. Nobody questioned his presence and looks like shooter had inside help to me.

I heard yesterday that he very may well have been part of the security detail.
 

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I knew from a long time that LE are some piece of shi* for me...but sadly is sad that someone took that security identification and did that...Nobody is safe i guess anywhere in those time of year...sad..

Considering they've been actively participating in the massacre of the people of Aleppo, it's not surprising that radicals are retaliating against the Russians. Hundreds of thousands of innocents have been either killed or injuried by Russian bombs. Many will regard the shooter as a hero. I can't say that i'm terribly sad at what he did. You just can't keep on dropping bombs on the heads of innocents and expect people to look the other way. Of course that motherfucker Putin will use this as his excuse to keep on dropping bombs where he sees fit. He's a fucking monster and one of the most evil people on the planet!
 

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I heard yesterday that he very may well have been part of the security detail.

A photo of Karlov immediately prior to being shot shows the shooter to his rear and left looking very much like he is a part of Karlov's security team.

Meanwhile I can't find any definitive news on what happened to the assassin. One news report said he had been "neutralized." I have no idea what this means? Is he dead?
 

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I'd guess he's not indoctrinated by any terrorist group but was taking opportunistic revenge for the mass slaughter of civilians and the huge Russian participation in it.
 

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People who have had loved ones killed in warfare often go rogue like this guy.

I saw families in my tours who wanted to die and take those guys with them. Every mistake the US makes with a drone or pGM creates more jihadis willing to die for revenge.
 

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I'd guess he's not indoctrinated by any terrorist group but was taking opportunistic revenge for the mass slaughter of civilians and the huge Russian participation in it.

The massacres and crimes committed by the Russians & Syrians almost make Isis look like humanitarians.

A couple of years ago, i watched actor Mandy Patinkin being interviewed about his role in the great tv series "Homeland". He mentioned learning a lot about world affairs while doing research for his role over the years. He learned that there's an extremely fine line between people we deem as being 'terrorists' and ourselves. He added that people we call 'terrorists' see us as being the real 'terrorists'. He added that if you look at the other side's point-of-view, it's very easy to see things like they do, and vice-versa.

I agree with Patinkin's statements. Look, we've been dropping bombs on people's heads in the middle east for over 20 years, probably more. Those bombs killed and injured hundreds of thousands of people. They completely destroyed families and ruined lives. They ruined villages, towns, cities and countries. And they're the terrorists???? Put yourself in their shoes and you just may conclude differently. Just imagine how you'd feel if you'd be having dinner with your loved ones and suddenly a foreign bomb just happens to be dropped on your home. Maybe it was a bomb that was meant for your neighbour's house, who knows. Maybe it was a stray bomb. And then you wake up in a hospital with an arm and a leg missing, and you're being told that your entire family was wiped out. How would you feel?? Would you feel like welcoming the country who bombed your home and killed everyone with open arms?? My guess is that you'd spend the rest of your life trying to retaliate and you no longer would care if you lived or not. You'd probably want to die for the cause.

That's why the difference between us and the other side is a very fine line.
 

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CTV (MTL local news) stated that the shooter was killed by security forces.

True. I just found out that he was murdered by security forces approximately 15 minutes after the assassination of the Russian ambassador. I saw a picture of his bullet-ridden body. So i guess he got his wish of martyrdom.
 

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The massacres and crimes committed by the Russians & Syrians almost make Isis look like humanitarians.

A couple of years ago, i watched actor Mandy Patinkin being interviewed about his role in the great tv series "Homeland". He mentioned learning a lot about world affairs while doing research for his role over the years. He learned that there's an extremely fine line between people we deem as being 'terrorists' and ourselves. He added that people we call 'terrorists' see us as being the real 'terrorists'. He added that if you look at the other side's point-of-view, it's very easy to see things like they do, and vice-versa.

That's why the difference between us and the other side is a very fine line.

You couldn't have articulated the TRUTH more precisely and accurately, Sir Doc Holliday! And sometimes our actions and behaviors are no different.

I love Mandy Patinkin. I saw that interview too and he made me rethink many of my own ideas. I hope to see him on stage on day; he's a great performer and a great human being.
 

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You couldn't have articulated the TRUTH more precisely and accurately, Sir Doc Holliday! And sometimes our actions and behaviors are no different.

I love Mandy Patinkin. I saw that interview too and he made me rethink many of my own ideas. I hope to see him on stage on day; he's a great performer and a great human being.

Thanks, but i simply told it like it is. We are too selfish way too often and we only care about ourselves and rarely consider how things are from the other side's perspective. I watched 60 Minutes this past Sunday and the Aleppo story totally disheartened me. I may retire come this summer and if so, i'm considering joining a humanitarian organization and do my part as a citizen of this planet. The atrocities being committed in Aleppo by the Russians and Syrians are absolutely terrible and these poor people need help desperately. I felt guilty last night drinking a few beers and watching the hockey game while there are people being massacred and dying at the other end of the planet. It's become a routine to look the other way and ignore what is going on in the world and this is wrong.

As for Mandy Patinkin, he's also a great opera singer.
 

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He added that people we call 'terrorists' see us as being the real 'terrorists'. He added that if you look at the other side's point-of-view, it's very easy to see things like they do, and vice-versa.

True. I don't have a definitive definition of "terrorists" but I would include anyone or any organization that uses intimidation, force/violence indiscriminately regardless of the level of involvement of those they target. Attacks on civilians enjoying a holiday festival, regardless of how much they support what is seen as the offending government is pure terrorism. The killer(s) in Berlin yesterday, Aleppo the past few months, or New York on 911 never even tried to distinguish between any level of guilt or innocence among those they killed, they only went out and slaughtered people because the blood either made headlines, served their goals, usually both. They killed because they were desperate to have an effect no matter who died. That's terrorism.

I also doubt the killers really believed as often as it's cited that the "God" of their religion would absolve them of their crimes. I think the murders are just as likely to be driven by hate and lust for revenge no matter how much they cite their "faith" as a pardon or justification for their actions.
 

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True. I don't have a definitive definition of "terrorists" but I would include anyone or any organization that uses intimidation, force/violence indiscriminately regardless of the level of involvement of those they target. Attacks on civilians enjoying a holiday festival, regardless of how much they support what is seen as the offending government is pure terrorism. The killer(s) in Berlin yesterday, Aleppo the past few months, or New York on 911 never even tried to distinguish between any level of guilt or innocence among those they killed, they only went out and slaughtered people because the blood either made headlines, served their goals, usually both. They killed because they were desperate to have an effect no matter who died. That's terrorism.

I also doubt the killers really believed as often as it's cited that the "God" of their religion would absolve them of their crimes. I think the murders are just as likely to be driven by hate and lust for revenge no matter how much they cite their "faith" as a pardon or justification for their actions.

The definition of terrorist is someone who uses violence to further a political agenda. This however, even though it is not real, could not be considered terrorism since we are at war. It would be considered partisan violence.

I think people forget we are at war... what do people think happens in war? People die. Lot's of people die. That's what war means and why war should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

W Bush was a moron and we're still dealing with the aftermath of his idiotic response to 9/11 and his foreign policies.
 
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