Russian Ambassador To Turkey Assassinated on Live TV

[ShyMan]

I may retire come this summer and if so, i'm considering joining a humanitarian organization and do my part as a citizen of this planet.

As for Mandy Patinkin, he's also a great opera singer.

I too aspire to dedicate myself to humanitarian causes after I retire. There is too much (unnecessary) sufferings, pain and poverty in the world. In the long run, this cannot be sustained. If I were desperately hungry, I would steal to feed myself, etc.

I'd love to see Mandy perform in operas as well.

 

[minutemenX]

Thanks, but i simply told it like it is. We are too selfish way too often and we only care about ourselves and rarely consider how things are from the other side's perspective. I watched 60 Minutes this past Sunday and the Aleppo story totally disheartened me. I may retire come this summer and if so, i'm considering joining a humanitarian organization and do my part as a citizen of this planet. The atrocities being committed in Aleppo by the Russians and Syrians are absolutely terrible and these poor people need help desperately. I felt guilty last night drinking a few beers and watching the hockey game while there are people being massacred and dying at the other end of the planet. It's become a routine to look the other way and ignore what is going on in the world and this is wrong.

As for Mandy Patinkin, he's also a great opera singer.

Doc, you should broaden your sources beyond CNN and its affiliate CBC. Listen what your fellow Canadian journalist has to say on topic:


https://www.facebook.com/inthenow/videos/729126400571065/


Or this article in Boston Globe:


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ublic-syria/8YB75otYirPzUCnlwaVtcK/story.html


or what our president elect twitted. Or sorry you believe what Madam Clinton used to say. This why you have lost elections buddy. Keep living in a parallel world created by Barak Hussain

 

[EagerBeaver]

CTV (MTL local news) stated that the shooter was killed by security forces.

Do we know the details of this? Was he killed in a hail of gunfire, or by a sniper and did he take anyone else out before they killed him?

 

[hungry101]

Doc, you should broaden your sources beyond CNN and its affiliate CBC. Listen what your fellow Canadian journalist has to say on topic:


https://www.facebook.com/inthenow/videos/729126400571065/


Or this article in Boston Globe:


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ublic-syria/8YB75otYirPzUCnlwaVtcK/story.html


or what our president elect twitted. Or sorry you believe what Madam Clinton used to say. This why you have lost elections buddy. Keep living in a parallel world created by Barak Hussain

Great post Minuteman. I have said it all along. I have no idea who's who over there. That is what I said when McCain wanted us to get involved. Which side? I like what Stephen Kinzer wrote below:

Americans are being told that the virtuous course in Syria is to fight the Assad regime and its Russian and Iranian partners. We are supposed to hope that a righteous coalition of Americans, Turks, Saudis, Kurds, and the “moderate opposition” will win.

This is convoluted nonsense, but Americans cannot be blamed for believing it. We have almost no real information about the combatants, their goals, or their tactics. Much blame for this lies with our media.

 

[ShyMan]

Great post Minuteman.

This is convoluted nonsense, but Americans cannot be blamed for believing it. We have almost no real information about the combatants, their goals, or their tactics. Much blame for this lies with our media.

I agree absolutely! A large part of the blame is the war of misinformation floated and recycled by the nation governments and factions within each nation governments that are involved in the Syrian wars.

EB, I saw a (edited) video of the shooting on USA Today website. It's odd that the Russian ambassador had no bodyguard surrounding him; the gunman had nearly 30 seconds to "rant" over the dead body of the Russian ambassador before he was supposedly killed in a hail of gun fires from security forces. Inaction is action! It seems the security forces waited long enough for the gunman to make his statements.

There must be a kernel of truth about the alleged atrocities that have been happening in Syria for which I dearly hope would stop sooner rather than later.

 

[jalimon]

1023974[/URL]]People who have had loved ones killed in warfare often go rogue like this guy.

I saw families in my tours who wanted to die and take those guys with them. Every mistake the US makes with a drone or pGM creates more jihadis willing to die for revenge.

you nailed it perfectly my friend.

only muslim people can fight their own people.

irak has created isis, and now the russian in syria will create even more isis rebels

we should leave them alone and focus on why so many of us are killed in chicago each day!

cheers,

 

[EagerBeaver]

I agree absolutely! A large part of the blame is the war of misinformation floated and recycled by the nation governments and factions with each nation governments that are involved in the Syrian wars.

EB, I saw a (edited) video of the shooting on USA website. It's odd that the Russian ambassador had no bodyguard surrounding him; the gunman had nearly 30 seconds to "rant" over the dead body of the Russian ambassador being he was supposedly killed in a hail of gun fires from security forces. Inaction is action! It seems the security forces waited long enough for the gunman to make his statements.

There must be a kernel of truth about the alleged atrocities that have been happening in Syria for which I dearly hope would stop sooner rather than later.

I did notice that the security forces or whomever else was there as security allowed him to rant on as well, they all appeared to be cowering in fear even though he did not appear to want to shoot anyone else. He was supposedly killed like 15 minutes later but I have still not heard any details of that, was it a hail of bullets, did a sniper kill him or what happened exactly. I do not understand how he was there looking like security himself unless he had inside assistance. The Russians and Turkish authorities charged with providing security seemed to be very negligent at best, I mean where were the Russian bodyguards? When the US Ambassador to Libya was killed (due to smoke inhalation) several USA security guys were killed trying to protect him. It looked like this was a bold, unobstructed assassination, 5 shots in Karpov's back at point blank range, how did the Russians let this guy get abused like this?

 

[ShyMan]

He was supposedly killed like 15 minutes later . . . It looked like this was a bold, unobstructed assassination, 5 shots in Karpov's back at point blank range, how did the Russians let this guy get abused like this?

Either the Russian officials in Turkey feel invincible or Turkish security persuaded (or distracted) the Ambassador's security details (if any) to leave the Ambassador alone or Putin decided to let Karpov to be a scraficial lamb. There are too many odd circumstances in this case. The Russian officials know Turkey is subject to terrorist attacks because civilians and police officials and soldiers have been killed by "terrorists". Let's hope this killing does not embolden Putin further such that he orders more bombings in Syria.

Let's all stay safe during the holidays.

 

[Doc Holliday]

He was supposedly killed like 15 minutes later but I have still not heard any details of that, was it a hail of bullets, did a sniper kill him or what happened exactly. I do not understand how he was there looking like security himself unless he had inside assistance. The Russians and Turkish authorities charged with providing security seemed to be very negligent at best, I mean where were the Russian bodyguards? When the US Ambassador to Libya was killed (due to smoke inhalation) several USA security guys were killed trying to protect him. It looked like this was a bold, unobstructed assassination, 5 shots in Karpov's back at point blank range, how did the Russians let this guy get abused like this?

I saw pictures of the assassin's body and it appears he died from a hail of bullets. There's word that he actually blended in with security detail. Reasons for the assassination still aren't clear. Maybe it had to do with the fact the dictator-like president (Ergodan) fired 20 000 cops following the attempted coup last spring. I'm also certain the fact the Russians have been massacring people in Aleppo and nothing is being done about it was also key.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Doc I think the assassin made the reasons for the assassination very clear, he ran around ranting about Aleppo after the shooting in a video the whole world has seen. Of course it's true that could have been an intentional staged ruse, but I am doubtful of it. He seemed too angry to do anything other than speak his true feelings on the matter.

Regardless of how detestable Russian policy in Syria may be, cold blooded murder of diplomats is not a legitimate form of protest. Also, the guy died in a hail of bullets for what reason? Does anyone think Putin will change Russian policy as a result of this assassination?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Turkish Officials Tie Assassin To Gulenist Movement

Ambassador shooting: Russia pushes back on Turkey's Gulenist claim http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/europe/turkey-russia-ambassador-killed/index.html

 

[Doc Holliday]

Regardless of how detestable Russian policy in Syria may be, cold blooded murder of diplomats is not a legitimate form of protest.

Call me cold-blooded but i didn't shed a tear or lose a second of sleep over the Russian's murder. And from what i'm hearing from intelligence experts, it won't be the last Russian official to die this way. The Russian massacre in Aleppo has opened up a totally different can of worms and they've made themselves a tremendous global target for revenge-seekers. Donald Trump would be wise to distance himself from Putin & the Russians if he truly cares about his country and its citizens. Global terrorism is about to escalate. We live in dangerous times and it'll only get more dangerous.

 

[Doc Holliday]

You honestly think Putin cares about one Russian Ambassadors death.
He will use this to his advantage and retaliate any way he pleases and blame it all on the assassination.
Russians are masters at this.
They have never invaded any country, they were always invited in to help.
Don't believe it just ask them.

I absolutely agree with what you posted. Vladimir Putin, one of the most evil leaders on the entire planet, doesn't give a shit. I totally agree! :thumb:

 

[Passionné]

You honestly think Putin cares about one Russian Ambassadors death.
He will use this to his advantage and retaliate any way he pleases and blame it all on the assassination.

Exactly.

As for murder, it's standard Russian operating procedure. They see it as legitimate so they received what they've been giving. Boohoo. I only feel for the families who have to live with this.

 

[anon_vlad]

They have never invaded any country, they were always invited in to help.

This reminds one of the graffiti in what was then Czechoslovakia when the Russians invaded. Something to the effect of:

"The Russians will leave when they find the person who invited them."

 

[Doc Holliday]

This reminds one of the graffiti in what was then Czechoslovakia when the Russians invaded. Something to the effect of:

"The Russians will leave when they find the person who invited them."

It wouldn't surprise me to see them invade Latvia next. With Donald Trump about to become President, Putin firmly believes he has the green flag to invade where he pleases and Trump will either back him up or won't do anything. As long as Putin keeps saying that he's a nice guy and a bright one at that....

 

[blkone]

only muslim people can fight their own people.

... So you mean the hundreds of years of Christian persecutions never happened? The witch hunts never happened? The Thousands of years of Asian, European and African wars never happened? On and on and on...?

I cannot even take you seriously now.

 

[blkone]

When the Russians invaded all these Eastern Europen countries for almost fifty years there were weekly trainloads of goods being shipped to Russia. They all came back loaded with the same thing. Good will, nothing else.

So we just pretend like the Soviet Union is not responsible for the most mass murder in history? Really?

Is this thread trying to be sarcastic or something? Stalin and the Soviet Union made Hitler look like a Choir boy in comparison.

 

[blkone]

Doc I think the assassin made the reasons for the assassination very clear, he ran around ranting about Aleppo after the shooting in a video the whole world has seen. Of course it's true that could have been an intentional staged ruse, but I am doubtful of it. He seemed too angry to do anything other than speak his true feelings on the matter.

Regardless of how detestable Russian policy in Syria may be, cold blooded murder of diplomats is not a legitimate form of protest. Also, the guy died in a hail of bullets for what reason? Does anyone think Putin will change Russian policy as a result of this assassination?

Why are you doubtful that it was staged? The video I mean.

 

[Passionné]

only muslim people can fight their own people.
cheers,

I'm afraid all kinds of fratricide have been very common, and I can't think of any group that has been able to avoid it, especially where contentious religious issues are present.