Russian Ambassador To Turkey Assassinated on Live TV

[B52]

Doc I think the assassin made the reasons for the assassination very clear, he ran around ranting about Aleppo after the shooting in a video the whole world has seen. Of course it's true that could have been an intentional staged ruse, but I am doubtful of it. He seemed too angry to do anything other than speak his true feelings on the matter.

Regardless of how detestable Russian policy in Syria may be, cold blooded murder of diplomats is not a legitimate form of protest. Also, the guy died in a hail of bullets for what reason? Does anyone think Putin will change Russian policy as a result of this assassination?

you really have no idea how those people think. They don't need valid reasons. He said it loud and clear, we swore to follow the prophet with jihad. 2 days ago a 8 years old girl carried a suicide attack in a police department in Damascus. A video was circulated after showing her dad preparing his girl for the mission! No Assad didn't step aside after the attack, nor Russia stopped its air strikes.
Its in their ideology, to be honest every Muslim has a little in laden in his mind and soul. Thy only need the trigger.

 

[blkone]

you really have no idea how those people think. They don't need valid reasons. He said it loud and clear, we swore to follow the prophet with jihad. 2 days ago a 8 years old girl carried a suicide attack in a police department in Damascus. A video was circulated after showing her dad preparing his girl for the mission! No Assad didn't step aside after the attack, nor Russia stopped its air strikes.
Its in their ideology, to be honest every Muslim has a little in laden in his mind and soul. Thy only need the trigger.

Why should Assad step aside? Why should Russia stop killing the 'rebels' who are known by us as ISIS.

Why?

 

[EagerBeaver]

It's really hard to take sides in that conflict as there are no "good guys". Russia is involved mainly because if Assad is swept aside the region becomes further destabilized and such instability could spill into some of the Russian sphere of influence. I don't think they are particularly fond of Assad but believe he learned enough from his Dad about how to keep the country under control, although this seems questionable.

 

[B52]

Exactly!!
Not because the US or European countries say so they should do it.
The freedom slogan and revolution portrait is pure BS.
Its a world war 3, gas pipelines, power, etc.

 

[jalimon]

... So you mean the hundreds of years of Christian persecutions never happened? The witch hunts never happened? The Thousands of years of Asian, European and African wars never happened? On and on and on...?

I cannot even take you seriously now.

No not at all. What I mean, in simplist term, is ISIS represent a group of islamic who have a mission to destroy western civilisation. They have their own interpretation of the coran which makes them beleive they can do all the shit want to do. Other muslim know perfectly well that this is not what the coran is all about. But they are not taking any action. They are the one that should be blamed. They are the one who should take their own people down and fight them. Not us. Each action we take draws more people against us.

Cheers,

 

[B52]

It's really hard to take sides in that conflict as there are no "good guys". Russia is involved mainly because if Assad is swept aside the region becomes further destabilized and such instability could spill into some of the Russian sphere of influence. I don't think they are particularly fond of Assad but believe he learned enough from his Dad about how to keep the country under control, although this seems questionable.

the west never understood the fundamental relation between Russia and Syria. It's not about Assad, but rather the regime that he represents. He and his father assured a stability to the country despite what the west think. He assured saving Russia's interest in the region. No one else would for now. Why? Cause the "moderate rebels" will never take power. Who will are extremist, backed by Saudi Arabia and the gulf countries who are backed by the US. So it's a big screw you russia if the opposition wins.

 

[blkone]

For the first time we agree.
Yes it was meant to be sarcastic.
You don't have to introduce Soviet leadership to me, I have had first hand knowledge.
NiKita Krushchev was no choir boy either and neither is Putin he is old school KGB.

I never said Putin was a nice guy.

 

[blkone]

No not at all. What I mean, in simplist term, is ISIS represent a group of islamic who have a mission to destroy western civilisation.

Oh stop giving them so much god damned credit. They are a band of thugs that should have been destroyed long ago. Do you really believe that the superpower of this planet and other strong nations (including Russia), could not have them all wiped out yesterday? Of course they could have.

So why are they still around?

Fear is the best way to get people to do what you want, indirect fear - even better.

Billions upon billions of dollars spent on defense and we cannot even defeat untrained 20 year old idiots armed with weapons of about the same age. Come off of it. Do they take everyone for a fool?

Like the cellphone video... Tell me if some guy shot someone (and you did not know it was going to happen) would you just sit there and record that maniac with your cellphone pointed towards him? Patiently? How in the fuck would you know he was not going to shoot you next? LOL what bull.

P.S -- I actually think the ambassador was killed, but not in that video... that video is basically 'fake news'.

 

[minutemenX]

Oh stop giving them so much god damned credit. They are a band of thugs that should have been destroyed long ago. Do you really believe that the superpower of this planet and other strong nations (including Russia), could not have them all wiped out yesterday? Of course they could have.

So why are they still around?

Fear is the best way to get people to do what you want, indirect fear - even better.

Billions upon billions of dollars spent on defense and we cannot even defeat untrained 20 year old idiots armed with weapons of about the same age. Come off of it. Do they take everyone for a fool?

Like the cellphone video... Tell me if some guy shot someone (and you did not know it was going to happen) would you just sit there and record that maniac with your cellphone pointed towards him? Patiently? How in the fuck would you know he was not going to shoot you next? LOL what bull.

P.S -- I actually think the ambassador was killed, but not in that video... that video is basically 'fake news'.

You are only partially correct with ISIS and incorrect with ambassador shooting. This was all reordered with professional TV cameras by several news agencies.
It is actually very difficult for a professional army to fight a small but dedicated force in urban areas with military tools redistricted by the presence of civilians. Can’t nuke the place or use heavy artillery and aerial bombardment to level it off. The modern large air force both US and Russian can make large city practically uninhabitable in a few hours. But all high tech gismos does not give you much of advantage on the ground against low tech dedicated force that is prepared digging foxholes, tunnels, storing supplies etc. So it is one-on-one ground combat that can inflict intolerable casualties. Not US, no Russians are prepared to take them fighting actually somebody else wars. Thus it is a low level conflict where main military powers are trying to use locals as ground combatants. Main powers have also secondary objective in these conflicts: using them as a magnet to attract and annihilate all these jihadist elements. Contrary to common perception such conflicts kill them in much larger quantities than breed them.

 

[hungry101]

You are only partially correct with ISIS and incorrect with ambassador shooting. This was all reordered with professional TV cameras by several news agencies.
It is actually very difficult for a professional army to fight a small but dedicated force in urban areas with military tools redistricted by the presence of civilians. Can’t nuke the place or use heavy artillery and aerial bombardment to level it off. The modern large air force both US and Russian can make large city practically uninhabitable in a few hours. But all high tech gismos does not give you much of advantage on the ground against low tech dedicated force that is prepared digging foxholes, tunnels, storing supplies etc. So it is one-on-one ground combat that can inflict intolerable casualties. Not US, no Russians are prepared to take them fighting actually somebody else wars. Thus it is a low level conflict where main military powers are trying to use locals as ground combatants. Main powers have also secondary objective in these conflicts: using them as a magnet to attract and annihilate all these jihadist elements. Contrary to common perception such conflicts kill them in much larger quantities than breed them.

To those that say you can't bomb an ideology ask them what the hell Shintoism was? How effective do you think bombing that evil madness was? How about the ethos National Socialism? We bombed that ideology to hell and back. I agree Minuteman.

 

[blkone]

To those that say you can't bomb an ideology ask them what the hell Shintoism was and how effective bombing that evil madness was? How about the ethos National Socialism? We bombed that ideology to hell and back. I agree Minuteman.

National Socialism was not an 'ethos' it was an ideology backed by 'science' of the time which wished to reunite the 'Aryan' race which meant Ar-Ya (soil tiller) peoples with Neolithic genetic traits. That's why Hitler made such a big deal of his vegetarianism since the Aryan/Neolithic humans gave farming, and civilization, to the paleolithic and mesolithic savage 'sub-humans' in his opinion.

Hitler was Time Magazine's man of the year when everyone thought he was just a white supremacist, but, once his racial policy became clearer, and clearer he became the most evil man on the planet. That is more or less why Germany was bombed to hell and back.

I still wonder about racial quality though... as I said in another post.... that Japanese blood type documentary really moved me. I have always found that most broad faced, large jawed people are atavistic and degenerate in their overall behavior. Color is irrelevant.