shower time

[jacep]

wat are hobyists thoghts on showering?

i see mostly incalls now but in pass, i scene outcalls allot since i only came to montreal for busness but now live in montreal area.

i genraly will stop action 7 minutes b4 end to take shower for incall since i can finish in under 7 minutes to leave door by end time.

for ladys, wen do u think time guy should take shower at end for incalls? ive been told as much as 15 minutes b4 end of apointment that it was time for shower wich for a 1 hour apointment i feel that this is too much time for shower at end.

for outcalls, i generaly think ladys should go for shower 10 minutes b4 end time but ive had ladys go as early as 15 minutes b4 end time for shower. for me, 15 minutes is too long for shower wen that time is part of the donation time.

any thoughts & coments on shower times?

 

[Halloween Mike]

Hum... if you go incall you already have to shower BEFORE, so showering after on top of that? Kinda kills a lot of time. I am not an incall guy, so i won't say, but if i would go there the end part would probably just be a quick penis handwash and not a full shower...

Personally as an outcall guy i "allow" (think more like what i consider normal) 5 mins before action start for a refresh on her part, and usually 10 mins max at the end. Usually if there is only 5 mins left and she goes a bit overtime, agencies seem to not mind it too much. Some agencies even consider the end shower as NOT part of your donation...

In the past i had girls taking lots of bathroom time, even before the action, while i had some that where very quick.

Also since lots of agencies are now doing both incall and outcall, something we didn't see that much in the past, SPs can actually skip the end shower at your place and take it at the incall if there next appoitement is there...

So well its really a case by case.

 

[Thor Jr]

Going to start sounding like a broken record soon, in my opinion, i don't mind if they want to take their shower 10 or 15 minutes before, as long as we are finished and they allow me to shower with them, its only fair since we are still on my time. Usually when the SPs don't have another appointment and their driver isn't texting her every 2 minutes and of course if she enjoys your company she will hang around and take their time to get into the shower and relax a little. And sometimes the girl has to rush out, cause of an appointment or she just don't like you, lol.

Thor Jr

 

[jacep]

Hum... if you go incall you already have to shower BEFORE, so showering after on top of that? Kinda kills a lot of time. I am not an incall guy, so i won't say, but if i would go there the end part would probably just be a quick penis handwash and not a full shower...
...
Some agencies even consider the end shower as NOT part of your donation...

i took shower b4 incalls but will genraly take a freshend up shower wen i go to the incall place since i find makes lady more comfortabel abut clenliness. making lady comfortabel is genraly good for experience. for me freshend up shower is turning on water, washing rod & washing nippels wich is at most 2 mins & usaly 1 minute & drying off enuff to leave washroom is 1 minute so not much time wasted on clock. most incalls consider time they give u room number to be start time, others considers start time to be wen lady confirms that u enter room. not sur if tru but during last apointment i had with nadyas vip (lacee), wen i given room number a few minutes after ~10 mins apointment time & sendt a sms to booker to remind him, was telld that start time is wen i leave the first shower wich i didnt test & found strange & left at most 1-2 minutes after room number texting.

once scene incall lady from goodgirls who wen she let me in, she mension she didnt shower & took shower. i imediately tex booker (i thik it was james) who telld me to have lady call/tex him after she leaves washroom so we can confirm start time. lady didnt seem hapy wen i telld her to call james wen she left shower but i only did it since i didnt no how long her shower would be since i consider start time to be either wen i get text room number or at most 1-2 mins after to acomodate for going to room from elevater.

not sur wich some outcalls u refer to give shower time as not part of donation time since most recent outcalls i done with bodyshop & vogue, shower time is part of donation wich i expect & even wen i was coming to montreal for busness, goodgirls, montrealsexcity, satindreamz, eleganza, & xxxtase wich i all used allso have showertime as part of donation (at leest with ladys i scene who allways took shower ~10 minutes b4 shceduled end). i did encounter afew exeptions with the retird naomie from montrealsexcity who wen i was her mabe last apointment & i reminded her that the time was up & it was time for her to shower (~10 minutes b4 shceduled end), she finish drink, went to shower, got dress at usal pase & by time she left my hotelroom, ~15 minutes pass the apointment end time.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

once scene incall lady from goodgirls who wen she let me in, she mension she didnt shower & took shower. i imediately tex booker (i thik it was james) who telld me to have lady call/tex him after she leaves washroom so we can confirm start time. lady didnt seem hapy wen i telld her to call james wen she left shower but i only did it since i didnt no how long her shower would be since i consider start time to be either wen i get text room number or at most 1-2 mins after to acomodate for going to room from elevater.

Just my opinion: I think it was nice that at least she told you she needed a shower, she could have let it slide. She also could have taken her after shower after you left and it would have all worked out in the end. Calling probably was a mood killer ( you said she was not happy ) and the call should have been done after the meeting if she had 2 showers on your dime.
For myself I have a 5 or 10 minute chat, under 4 min shower and if session goes close to quitting time I will shower at home since I do not allow COF or COC ( Cum On Chest ). Personally I would like to see agencies give the lady a 15 min break between clients on incall even if they shower during client time but time is money.

 

[Halloween Mike]

i took shower b4 incalls but will genraly take a freshend up shower wen i go to the incall place since i find makes lady more comfortabel abut clenliness

Personally im an out of towner, so i can't take a shower before going incall... Thats one of the many reason i do outcall, i got to rent my hotel room anyway when i sleep in mtl, so this is a lot more relaxing to receive... Also especially in summer, just a slight walk where there is hills or something and i become sweaty. For me the full shower before the meeting is really an important part, like showering fully then relaxing on the bed under the air conditioner. But then again i don't drive and i know factors are differents for everybody.

most incalls consider time they give u room number to be start time, others considers start time to be wen lady confirms that u enter room. not sur if tru but during last apointment i had with nadyas vip (lacee), wen i given room number a few minutes after ~10 mins apointment time & sendt a sms to booker to remind him, was telld that start time is wen i leave the first shower wich i didnt test & found strange & left at most 1-2 minutes after room number texting.

Always tough start time was when you past the door step, but then again not an incall guy lol.

once scene incall lady from goodgirls who wen she let me in, she mension she didnt shower & took shower. i imediately tex booker (i thik it was james) who telld me to have lady call/tex him after she leaves washroom so we can confirm start time

Well obviously when you go incall, the lady being freshly showered is a given. You have to take yours after that so thats easily 15-20 mins off. And yeah sometimes women will take much longer than guys in shower. I think i would had do the same... Once i had a girl arrive 20 mins before appointement time. I was just coming back to my hotel, i enter the room, look time, tell myself ok now time for a shower, i get naked and bam knock on the door... Ouch. I explained the situation and let her in but i asked her if this would be ok to make start time when i get out of shower, as this was really unexpected. Im usually ready 5 mins before ETA but 20 ... nop, thats when i go in the shower usually, 20-30 before ETA.

not sur wich some outcalls u refer to give shower time as not part of donation time since most recent outcalls i done with bodyshop & vogue, shower time is part of donation wich i expect

Well there was some agencies advertising as "you will get the full hour" or something like that in the past. But yeah its rare.

She also could have taken her after shower after you left and it would have all worked out in the end.

Isn't it aftershower for incall when the guy has left the norm? Why would she shower on your time? Its her room....

For myself I have a 5 or 10 minute chat, under 4 min shower and if session goes close to quitting time I will shower at home since I do not allow COF or COC ( Cum On Chest ).

Wait... your an SP? Always tough you where a dude... never saw your name in red, never saw ads, im shocked !!! lol

This pick my curiosity tough, you say you do not allow COF or COB, but you do CIM? In the past i saw some girls that didn't do CIM/COF, so i settle for a COB as the last resort, i would had been out of words if she didn't allow it either, i can't cum in a condom, i just can't, never did, never will, so i would had to pretty much jerk myself in a kleenex... that would kill the whole SP experience, it would feel like wanking at home. I always tough COB was established as in the base GFE.

Personally I would like to see agencies give the lady a 15 min break between clients on incall even if they shower during client time but time is money

Like i said always tough shower time was after the client left for incall, but is 15 mins break not a given? Hell at that point you risk having the client meet the past client in the stairs... lol. Poor girl also need a little relaxing time too...

This whole post make me wonder what when people take 30mins? With all those shower that give him like only 15 mns of sex lol

 

[jacep]

Just my opinion: I think it was nice that at least she told you she needed a shower, she could have let it slide. She also could have taken her after shower after you left and it would have all worked out in the end. Calling probably was a mood killer ( you said she was not happy ) and the call should have been done after the meeting if she had 2 showers on your dime.
For myself I have a 5 or 10 minute chat, under 4 min shower and if session goes close to quitting time I will shower at home since I do not allow COF or COC ( Cum On Chest ). Personally I would like to see agencies give the lady a 15 min break between clients on incall even if they shower during client time but time is money.

most incalls i scene/used ladys dont take showers wen guys enter room. just like most outcalls i scene in pass (eleganza, xxxtase, montrealsexcity, satindreamz, vogue, & bodyshop) lady doesnt take shower at begining but mite go to washroom to change into something more comfortabel or freshend up. for incalls only time they take showers wen guy is there is if they ask guy at end to take shower together or guy asks for this at the end. with incalls, u genraly trust lady showers betwen hobyists but it depends on how much time bookers/ladys put between apointments just like for outcalls i genraly trust lady showers at end of apointment. generaly for incalls if lady is still nakd wen i leave shower if showring allone, i asume she will shower after i leave. if she is dressed, i feel she wont take shower.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Wait... your an SP? Always tough you where a dude... never saw your name in red, never saw ads, im shocked !!! lol

This pick my curiosity tough, you say you do not allow COF or COB, but you do CIM? In the past i saw some girls that didn't do CIM/COF, so i settle for a COB as the last resort, i would had been out of words if she didn't allow it either, i can't cum in a condom, i just can't, never did, never will, so i would had to pretty much jerk myself in a kleenex... that would kill the whole SP experience, it would feel like wanking at home. I always tough COB was established as in the base GFE.

My warped sense of humor for not showering after, I do not let a SP COF or COC..... Oh forget it....
There were 2 men who walked into a bar, one said......................

 

[wolfie7]

My (little) rant on shower time in Montreal

Here's another pet peeve I have with SPs in Montreal... Though not as annoying as SPs and agencies flaking on appointments, this is still annoying. It's shower time as it pertains to the hour or whatever time I've booked with the SP. Specifically for outcall.

Some agencies (like XXXception) really fuck it up, by blocking off 15 minutes before the end of the session for shower time, per agency policy. Who the hell needs 15 minutes to shower? Especially if I'm paying for that sweet time. :noidea: You mean I'm paying $$ for 45 minutes, not an hour. So just add a 33% premium to the hour rate, that's what you're really paying. :nod:

More commonly, SP's set an alarm for 10 minutes before the end of the session to take their shower. Again, 10 minutes is borderline long. And it's damn annoying the alarms on some of these phones! Absolutely kills the mood. My internal clock knows the hour to the dot, and I usually go right to the end and finish. That alarm goes off, it fucking kills my mojo. Can the SP really be disappointed or surprised I can't finish??

For me, 5 minutes for a quick shower, I'm OK with that. Ideally, the SP showers on her own time. She goes 5 minutes over the session to shower. The 5 minutes is her time, not time I'm paying for. In the end, that shower isn't really for me, now, is it? So why am I paying for it? It's for the next customer. So why the hell am I paying for him?

My gym analogy. I wipe down the machines thoroughly before I start doing my sets. I really pay attention, because I don't trust the previous person to do a good job, and I'm the one who will make skin contact. When I'm done, I'll do a cursory wipe-down, out of courtesy. Most of the time. If the guy after me wants to trust me, that's up to him. I'd rather wipe down myself before touching a machine, though. Same thing goes for an outcall rendezvous. I'd rather the SP take a quick 5 minute shower at the start of our session. Like how incalls typically proceed for clients. That way, I know, I see with my own eyes (figuratively or better yet literally) that she's clean and fresh and ready to have naughty fun. Complete peace of mind, and no need for a leap of faith. Otherwise, it's always a crapshoot the SP cleaned herself properly after her last session.

One of my last calls, I could clearly smell the SP provided COF or COB or CIM to the client before me, when I got in close. Fucking killed it for me. Mouthwash and a thorough scrubbing!!! Practice it, ladies!!! WTF...

Doesn't this make sense? Can we set a new precedent here in Montreal for this practice???

The really ideal practice. I "grew up" in Hobbyland in LA incalls. Standard K-girl practice is greeting, small talk, make-out, and proceed to a sensual shower together, before the action continues. Seamless transitions. She cleans me. To her full satisfaction. I clean her. To my full satisfaction. Hands on naked bodies, nice smelling soap / body wash, a little massage and a preview of services to come. Or sometimes the full service right there in the shower. K-girls have perfected it. Why can't everyone do that?? This voids out smelly kitties, and other odious girl and boy parts. Complete peace of mind as we proceed to really exchange bodily fluids. The Spanish do this, too. At least the good high-quality brothels (I love those giant themed walk-in showers at Top Damas...). About time Montreal catches up to that practice. Then service would start to catch up to ROW.

 

[UncleBob]

Few years ago, I was speaking to a popular SP from a popular Agency about the time between clients that is non existant in mtl incall agency compared to Toronto, where I remember a member told that Mirage for exemple had a mandatory 15/30 min spare between sessions for the girl to prepare for the next.

In MTL, the agency book back to back for incall sessions...
The SP in question told me that, in her case, she asked for this that way. She wanted to do her 5 clients in 5 hours and get back home ASAP...
So, I'm not sure it is always an agency rules...

I don't like to pay the time for the girl to shower alone at the end in preparation of the next client.
I also believe that the girl needs more than 5 minutes to wash herself after a session.
Sometime, I'm affraid that some of the agency girls are using only baby wipes when the next client is waiting...
5 min shower is better than nothing but is clearly not enough according to me to prepare correctly for next client.
I believe that many agency expect and hope that the session wont last the full hour.
They count on the fact that it is usually the case for many clients

I went to asian place already like Tony, MAE etc and you pay for 45 min (Same price as 1 hr at other non asian agency) and this include a shower for two at the beginning.
If you need a shower at the end, it is on your time.

I generally don't shower at the end, I use wipes and do the rest at home.

I usually shower before going to the incall and unless it is mandatory (rare), I don't need to shower before the session or I only refresh.

I've seen many SP at agency that cut the hour short and that is one of the reason why I don't see agency girls much since a couple of years.

It is clearly not a Full hour session with mtl agency incalls. (There are exceptions I guess )
But I guess it is the same with Outcall? The girl take her shower on your 1 hour time?

 

[Doc Holliday]

Wolfie raises a good point. Over the summer, i've been wondering about this. The norm seems to have been 5 minutes for the shower, sometimes 10. It never really bothered me, but it is true that maybe i should have been asking myself the question why was i the one paying for the shower time? I pay for company and intimacy, not necessarily the lady's shower time. Hmmm.

I had one issue with an sp recently who took two showers during our one-hour date. She took one at the beginning, and at the end. Actually, it happened twice, but the second time it didn't cut into our time since she wound up getting me to get my 'O' in near-record time (for me). We wound up having a lot of time left to talk....and for her second shower. But i had an issue with the first girl when it took a total of 15 minutes out of our 60 minutes, plus the fact she told me we barely had any time left when we clearly had 20 minutes left to go. No big deal, but i wasn't going to write a positive review after this happened. Plus i doubt i'd want to see her again thinking the same thing may happen again. But i didn't bother making an issue about it.

Wolfie also raises a good point about their 'alarm'. Several ladies i saw also had very annoying alarms that came on at the worst times. As soon as that damn alarm would come on, i knew i'd have to get my 'O' as quickly as possible (and felt the girl start to rush as soon as it came on) or else risk getting a serious case of blueballs.

As for the bad breath/smell of cum that Wolfie mentionned, that's why it's important for me to be the first client on a girl's posted schedule. Sure, she may have sucked off a boyfriend, the driver or a client she may be seeing on the side before i've seen her, but at least the illusion that i'm #1 is still there. It reminds me many years ago when i saw an sp and noticed her hair was sticky. She admitted to me why her hair was sticky (yes, you guessed it! lol). Well, it kind of through me off. Another time, an sp i saw (i was #2) hinted to me that i shouldn't do daty. She was new to the biz at the time...i had been her very first client a day earlier. When i told her i knew i was #2 that day and didn't mind, she reluctantly said 'ok'. But just before i was going to start doing my thing, i asked her "didn't you shower after you saw your first client earlier?" She shook her head indicating 'no' and told me she didn't have time to shower and had to rush out the door in order to make my booking on time. Well, i changed my mind about the daty and told her afterwards it's extremely important that she showers and cleans herself in her most intimate places between clients. Good thing she warned me beforehand about the daty.

 

[Montreal Sex City]

Hello Gentlemen


I always have my eyebrows going very high when I read about that shower time issue ...

For me it's simple: We provide you a clean lady, we expect to lady to leave clean.

Just like when I tell the girls, hey, make sure that when you leave, you look as
classy as when you arrived. It is sad too see some girls coming out from some
hotels or motels like if a train as just past on her.

To each its opinion, but I do believe it's a manner of respectful protocol.



Enjoy ! :smile:

 

[spacecadet]

I totally agree with you MSC, but that shouldn't on client's time. When session is over, the lady should take a quick shower... on agency time.
Same applies to MP's

 

[Montreal Sex City]

Yaaa, but you know, sometimes clients wish to take their shower with the girls
So then what, ? We cannot agree to have this time on the agency or the girls.

And we all know that no one is gonna stay in their corner of that shower :lol:
It's just that if we provide a clean lady, a clean lady should be returned.


But as I said, its to each to have their opinion on the subject. I just think it
should not be such problem. Unless it's used to burn inappropriate time ...
Then that is another story.


:smile:

 

[Ricky bonds]

I have been using incalls for many many years.
I always arrive fresh, clean and smelling great.
I have never had a girl shower on my time, never period. This must be an agency thing?
In my opinion i expect the girl to be squeaky clean upon my arrival, just like myself.
And i expect her to shower after my hour is up (or my 30 minutes)

I would feel ripped off if a girl cut my session short to shower, that definitely wouldn't fly with me.
And i shower at home (unless the lady wants to shower with me)

 

[wolfie7]

:lol: Guess I wasn't the only one who saw this as problematic!

It's why Montreal has never been the hands-down best place in the world to hobby, for me. Just not quite there yet with the service. And the price was never that competitive, and especially so when you factor in these little time leaks. Beautiful spinners, passionate action when actually engaged, but this and pet peeve #1, always put Montreal a little behind.

Obviously only shower pre-meeting together should be counted on the time you pay. whatever a girl does without you, it is not a time you must pay. This is clear and should be enforced by any customer.

ita, a perfectly clear theory! But only theory, sadly. In practice, in Montreal, this is the very rare exception, even with favorites, for me. A girl taking a shower on her own, I've almost always paid for those 5-10 minutes here. It's just the standard expectation in this market. If enough of us point this out, maybe there might be some change. But doubtful.

 

[wolfie7]

Hello Gentlemen


I always have my eyebrows going very high when I read about that shower time issue ...

For me it's simple: We provide you a clean lady, we expect to lady to leave clean.

Just like when I tell the girls, hey, make sure that when you leave, you look as
classy as when you arrived. It is sad too see some girls coming out from some
hotels or motels like if a train as just past on her.

To each its opinion, but I do believe it's a manner of respectful protocol.



Enjoy ! :smile:

Always a pleasure when you engage, Miss Jessy! Courteous and professional.

This is no knock on your agency. Based on my limited data points. Neither Jennie nor Jackie ever abused their shower times. 5 minutes, no more, albeit on my dime. Both arrived fresh. Jackie stood out for how perfectly feminine and fresh she was. But like I said, only 2 of yours, so maybe I got lucky? Kudos also as neither had an annoying alarm.

But let me posit this. What if a girl has been sitting in a car for 2-3 hours idle on a hot summer day. She took a shower and freshened up before entering the car. But isn't there a possibility she might not be super fresh after that wait? Or maybe she has a snack before the encounter? lol: I take back what I said about Jennie now!! She had some salmon tartare before my encounter while she waited for me, now that I think of it. I could clearly taste the red onions on her breath. She could have benefited from 5 minutes to freshen up at the start! I didn't mind though, as I've developed a taste for the stuff... So no demerits for that.)

Anyways, my main response to your point: I'm not saying the SP leaves the encounter without a shower. She should definitely shower! But on her time, on agency time. The only shower time I'm willing to pay for, that I think is fair, is at the start. Also, if I decide to join her, then of course, I should pay for that!

 

[Ricky bonds]

It's just that if we provide a clean lady, a clean lady should be returned.





:smile:

Are we talking about rental cars or human beings?
With all due respect, a girl showering on a customers time is bullshit, its a hustle. (if we are talking about incall)

 

[wolfie7]

Are we talking about rental cars or human beings?
With all due respect, a girl showering on a customers time is bullshit, its a hustle. (if we are talking about incall)

Outcall, too.

 

[Montreal Sex City]

Are we talking about rental cars or human beings?
With all due respect, a girl showering on a customers time is bullshit, its a hustle. (if we are talking about incall)

Pretty much my vision!
They aren't rental cars, so it should not be on a such tight clock.
As human being, the manner deserve some little flexibility.

And again, without being using it abusively , of course!


Thanks Ricky bonds for clarifying my toughts :thumb: