I am sick and tored of scammers on leo list , escort intime ,ann123. for instance vous es a quelle viille) whenthere annonce say local. and everything fro a to z is offered ,including anal fro 120.00 , then you get the info and I always ask ( i pay cash at the door) they answer back no, advance paymet required , 1/2. I got caught once , lost 50.00 , what happened payed and got to the address then never answered the phone or texts. lesson learned, then you have some with phone numbers fro usa, alberta , ontario. and prices of 300.00 to 400.00 no gfe offered aggggggggggggggggggggg i am getting to the point of giving up.
Sick and tired of scammers
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Use agencies that advertise here instead (?????)
Some accounts on leolist are verified, and more trustworthy. Otherwise, tryst is much more reliable, and many providers advertise here 
Not everyone asks for a 50% deposit, some of us do, and many of us don't.
Not everyone asks for a 50% deposit, some of us do, and many of us don't.Stop being a freaking cheapo and deal with agencies and indies who have solid reviews.
I feel 0 sympathy for you LL chasers.
I feel 0 sympathy for you LL chasers.
When it looks too good to be true it generally is not true…. Not justin this context. Stick with respectable agencies and indys and this does not happen…
I am sorry but it is hard to sympathize.
You’ve been a member of this board since 2013, and surely must have read countless reviews and cases where people were scammed on these sites. I understand that there are some gems to be found but that’s a conscious risk you are taking. When you are falling for an ad that includes anal for $120, you only have yourself to blame.
You’ve been a member of this board since 2013, and surely must have read countless reviews and cases where people were scammed on these sites. I understand that there are some gems to be found but that’s a conscious risk you are taking. When you are falling for an ad that includes anal for $120, you only have yourself to blame.
Every one of us has made some kind of stupid mistake while mongering, and there have been a lot of posts from people about rising costs and affordability. Maybe seeing agency and indy girls is no longer affordable. While I don't know if that's the case here I do know that there are people who have been moving downmarket and exploring this side of the hobby and its attendant hazards may be completely new even to some experienced mongers who are having to change venues. Maybe a smidgen of sympathy might be in order. Of course, if you don't learn then you deserve all the scorn you get. At least continuing to raise these issues creates some awareness.
I'm surprise of the "no sympathy" reactions. Specially when it is expressed in the "lounge" section where all kind of silly subjects are put on the floor. If you are not interested on the subject, pass on the next one which might be "which color do you prefer"... or "do you feel guilty after meeting an escort, while in a relationship". I would expect a reaction on the message, not the messenger. Calling others "cheapo" is not a very respectful manner to exchange a different point of view.
On my part I don't see escorts (well... rarely) as I feel it's hard to find a good one at a fair price. To each one to decide what fair price he is willing to spend for this activity. There is no rational there. It is a market, women decide how much they want (for whatever considerations) and guys get involved or not depending on their priorities on how to spend their money. Probably if I would earn $1 million by year it would mean nothing for me to spend $1,000 for an high end lady for a few hours... as the guy in "Pretty woman" movie... It is a free market, capitalism at its best.
Anyway, @dillingerboy expressed his frustration. I hear him an hope that he is not addicted or dependent on escorts because it could be a very expensive activity... I wish he will make up his mind and find a way to manage his needs.
On my part I don't see escorts (well... rarely) as I feel it's hard to find a good one at a fair price. To each one to decide what fair price he is willing to spend for this activity. There is no rational there. It is a market, women decide how much they want (for whatever considerations) and guys get involved or not depending on their priorities on how to spend their money. Probably if I would earn $1 million by year it would mean nothing for me to spend $1,000 for an high end lady for a few hours... as the guy in "Pretty woman" movie... It is a free market, capitalism at its best.
Anyway, @dillingerboy expressed his frustration. I hear him an hope that he is not addicted or dependent on escorts because it could be a very expensive activity... I wish he will make up his mind and find a way to manage his needs.
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Then the OP deserves all the scorn we've got. No sympathy from me. It would be one thing if he were new to the scene, was priced out of the agency or indy market, or simply wanted to convey his frustration at being scammed. However, he's got a robust history over the last few months of posting about his numerous LL (and similar) exploits, complaining about SPs who charge $300, and repeating that he's sick of being scammed. Suffice it to say that he could be spending his escorting budget more wisely.
I can sympathize with the OP no one wants or should be scammed or put in danger.
At the same time why persist in seeing escorts from sights that are known to be laden with scam artists and pimps.
It is like going to McDonalds and then complaining that it is nothing like the steak at Gibbys or the Keg.
At the same time why persist in seeing escorts from sights that are known to be laden with scam artists and pimps.
It is like going to McDonalds and then complaining that it is nothing like the steak at Gibbys or the Keg.
People disagreeing with his approach and pointing out the obvious doesn’t mean they aren’t interested in the topic. On the contrary they care enough to contribute and point out the flaws of his modus operandi.
I didn't look at the posting history before, so my bad. I have now, and you're absolutely correct. At some point you have to stop having sympathy for people who make the same mistakes and have the same complaint for making them. I retract any sympathy I might have previously had.
Looking at his history I could've said something way meaner and still be right on the money. I have a theory that a lot of people who use LL to find "deals" like 120-150 HH (which translates to about the regular agency price for a hour, so makes no sense) are actually either banned from agencies and/or are addicted to the thrill of the risks they're taking. So not much sympathies from me no.
I think it was a bit harsh too, and I don't think anyone deserves to be scammed, but seeing escorts isn't fulfilling an essential need... I understand that this can be an addiction and an expensive activity but people should be given the agency to manage themselves.. and ''everything being included'' for a very cheap price is an unfair expectation...
And yes we do get to decide our rates but reality is that there is more or less a standard price range for a certain type of service, depending on how many clients we want or not. There are SP's who charge lower rates and just offer a basic full service (sometimes with other acronyms that come with an extra charge), and it's an option for someone who ''really has to see a SP'' and doesn't have a lot of funds.
I don't think LL is necessarily bad, some SP's I know only use it and are legit, I use it sometimes to advertise because you do get a lot of inquiries and I've gotten good regular clients from it, a lot of clients use leolist because they want a same day or last minute appointment which is fine, but from my point of view it's pretty easy from looking at the listing to figure out that certain ads are obviously fake or could be scams... and there's a large percentage of ads that seem sketchy.
What is worse : getting scammed twice or having 2 bad experiences + having 1 kinda decent one in a week, or having 1 good experience but not being able to afford more?
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It depend how you define "essential". I mean technically i could live in a room 24/7 and only drink water and the basic food my body need and still live. But my mental would take a huge toll. For me seeing escorts is "essential" because thats the only way i can experience intimacy. I never had sex with a "civilian". And i can only think how miserable i would be today if i didn't discover this business. I would be the real life "40 years old virgin".
As for the OP, i don't understand his rant. I don't book from LL personally, i need "more" as either a Twitter, Tryst profil or Merb add or knowing for a fact she is legit (like being in an agency before). But even myself i can filter the fake ads... You telling me Sky Bri is not really escorting in Montreal for 200$ ...what a shock lol.
Or the ridiculous offers like 80 to 120$ an hour with obvious generic pictures. Like sure i get that some ads can look legit and not be, or in some case may look fake but are actually legit, but in GENERAL, the vast majority are easily discernable. You have easily 10 fake ads for a real one on that website.
Personally i feel the agency prices are still very decent mostly under 300$. Now the indy market has sky rocketed and i can understand not everyone would put 600 to 800 for an hour. I done it once (still have to make that review, if i make it) and was it "worth it"? Yes and no. I mean i had a good time, but it was not "better" than a lot of agency meetings i had. But i was lusting on that woman for a while and i just had to do it once, so i did. I know because of what i paid i had to cut 1 meeting this year (as it was basically the price of 2), but at least now when i look at her picture i can say "yes i was with her".
Im no rich guy at all, and i can only afford between 4 to 6 meetings a year, maybe i could push to 8 at the very most if i combine 2 every single trips and stick to agencies. I do what i can. Im not gonna try to "low ball" in hopes to push it to 10-12 meetings and risk horrible experiences. I had very VERY few "bad meetings" in my 16 years in this hobby, and even the worst were never close to some horror stories i read here. So i guess "my way" work pretty good.
I understand what you're saying and empathize 100%... I'm glad seeing escorts is therapeutic for you. But that doesn't mean people are entitled to low prices and all included services. And while I understand that intimacy is essential, you can receive this type of service without it being ''all included'' (the example OP used is anal...) and still feel satisfied. I want to be sensitive to the fact that it's difficult for some people to meet others to have intimacy, but at the same time, most adults don't have sex that often. There's a difference between needing intimacy once in a while and not wanting to spend the same thing as a month's rent for it, and trying to find the cheapest escorting services with the least boundaries.
It also seems like you've done your research if you say you haven't had a lot of bad experiences.
This is beside the point of this thread but I wonder what the average number of meetings/year is for MERB members. I'm often astonished by how many dates some men go on, but my guess is that 4-6 meetings each year is average or maybe even above average, at least over 15-20 years.
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