Sick and tired of scammers

[Halloween Mike]

I think some people raise their prices not because of inflation but because they want less clients or are in the process of retiring and they got a civ job.. Most people who charge over 400 have another decent source of income, I don't think all indies charge this price. But also, in other cities, it seems as though a lot of indy providers charge way more than here..

You are right on these aspects. It was always cheaper in Montreal than it was Toronto or the West. I also been told GFE is less expected in the west (Kissing, BBBJ) by providers who worked there. And yes i noticed a lot of high end indies have jobs related to the beauty industry in various forms. Sometimes they may have an OF wich bring extra $ too. And yes by charging more they also probably filter a lot of the "bad clients".

That said its still funny at times when i read that some indies have trouble getting booked (even when touring). Now sure they can offer what they want and charge what they want, its the rules, but instead of complaining i think it would be better to have a little introspection? Maybe the service being basic combined with the stiff price is why they don't get as many bookings as they would like. And unless there is a privacy issue at play (some may not want to work close to home), why going that far to work to begin with? Sure traveling can fun i supose at times but i have a feeling a lot of the indies who tour super often do it probably because they wouldn't be able to get enough bookings only in the city they are at the rates they charge. Just my guess of course but it make sense.

With all that said, obviously if a client pull 250 to 350 000$ a year, its much easier for him to have 800-1000$/h bookings and for multiple hours. Its the old joke of an hockey player being charged 5000$ penalty for an infraction, thats like getting charged 5$ for regular folks.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I’m implying that I didn’t know girls were getting paid to do this.

It’s satirical. The meme is from a funny scene from a movie:

Oh i seen the Millers many times. Its just the way you saying it, it looked like huge sarcasm.

 

[Valentina]

Oh i seen the Millers many times. Its just the way you saying it, it looked like huge sarcasm.

I’m not a sarcastic bitch just like that off the bat
I said it as a joke. Nevermind being an SP - I should apply to Cirque du soleil since I’m a clown. I got the acrobat part too.

 

[Sylar]

I’m not a sarcastic bitch just like that off the bat

 

[Valentina]

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Wrong member, Sylar lol.
Also I ❤️ that meme!!!!!

 

[Sylar]

Wrong member, Sylar lol.
Also I ❤️ that meme!!!!!

Lol, drop the name and have some drama. It's been quiet on MERB lately.

 

[Valentina]

Lol, drop the name and have some drama. It's been quiet on MERB lately.

LMFAO. I’ve been shaking things up here recently. enough drama for a while.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

You are right on these aspects. It was always cheaper in Montreal than it was Toronto or the West. I also been told GFE is less expected in the west (Kissing, BBBJ) by providers who worked there. And yes i noticed a lot of high end indies have jobs related to the beauty industry in various forms. Sometimes they may have an OF wich bring extra $ too. And yes by charging more they also probably filter a lot of the "bad clients".

Charging luxury rates doesn't necessarily filter ''bad clients'', a lot of good clients can't afford high end rates, but to be honest when I went slightly above agency rates I did filter out a LOT of unpleasant clients.. And yeah, even when I charged quite low rates for an indy, I would get pressured for GFE and no matter how low I charged it was really difficult to get clients who would accept seeing a companion here who doesn't offer at least bbbj. I've heard the same as you, it's less expected elsewhere. Maybe it's because I was first starting and wasn't as ''known'' because I have colleagues who don't offer GFE and they still get bookings, but from what I've noticed in Montreal it's really hard to avoid it as an indy provider. I do also think that charging low rates can attract a clientele that refuses to respect boundaries and always pushes for more, unfortunately. There are also clients who are wary of booking you if you charge too low because they think something is suspicious.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

She didn't seem to really care. The excuse was they changed incalls and rates went up so the deposit isnt valid and its non refundable. Only thing i said about it was its not exactly a fair reason seeing as how they cancelled and then became unreachable. Maybe they had money problems? It is what it is . I'll never send any deposits again and if that bars me from providers then so be it.

Not all providers ask for deposits, but there are very good reasons why many of us do. I don't ask for deposits, and I've been pretty lucky in the past 6 months, but I had at least 10 no call no shows this past year and a lot of unwarranted cancellations. I've had entire days ruined because I changed my schedule for a booking that ended up not happening. It can be extremely frustrating.

However, I'm shocked at her excuse and it's upsetting that all of us get punished for one person's unprofessional behaviour.

 

[Enjoying life]

Charging luxury rates doesn't necessarily filter ''bad clients'', a lot of good clients can't afford high end rates, but to be honest when I went slightly above agency rates I did filter out a LOT of unpleasant clients.. And yeah, even when I charged quite low rates for an indy, I would get pressured for GFE and no matter how low I charged it was really difficult to get clients who would accept seeing a companion here who doesn't offer at least bbbj. I've heard the same as you, it's less expected elsewhere. Maybe it's because I was first starting and wasn't as ''known'' because I have colleagues who don't offer GFE and they still get bookings, but from what I've noticed in Montreal it's really hard to avoid it as an indy provider. I do also think that charging low rates can attract a clientele that refuses to respect boundaries and always pushes for more, unfortunately. There are also clients who are wary of booking you if you charge too low because they think something is suspicious.

It’s not an easy situation meeting a lot of men so you do what your comfortable with as you have to!

 

[MCTJ]

She didn't seem to really care. The excuse was they changed incalls and rates went up so the deposit isnt valid and its non refundable. Only thing i said about it was its not exactly a fair reason seeing as how they cancelled and then became unreachable. Maybe they had money problems? It is what it is . I'll never send any deposits again and if that bars me from providers then so be it.

I don't want to name names, but did she look like this

 

[Enjoying life]

I don't want to name names, but did she look like this

 

[Halloween Mike]

Charging luxury rates doesn't necessarily filter ''bad clients'', a lot of good clients can't afford high end rates, but to be honest when I went slightly above agency rates I did filter out a LOT of unpleasant clients.. And yeah, even when I charged quite low rates for an indy, I would get pressured for GFE and no matter how low I charged it was really difficult to get clients... but from what I've noticed in Montreal it's really hard to avoid it as an indy provider. I do also think that charging low rates can attract a clientele that refuses to respect boundaries and always pushes for more, unfortunately. There are also clients who are wary of booking you if you charge too low because they think something is suspicious.

Yes its pretty much all true. Im sure there is a lot of good guys who simply can't afford the higher rates or will look for lower rates because it make more sense. I have a friend in the industry who pretty much mock me when i tell him i seen an indy at high price because he knows i got much less money than him and he personally refuse to go over a certain price. He is a nice guy, very respectful, but he allow a certain ammount on this business and he will rather see 2 providers in a certain period of time rather than 1 who charge more. Personally i think my reason to go for higher price is im "lustful" if it make sense. Ill say it in french to make sure it does not come out weird, mais en gros quand une fille me "tape dans l'oeuil", c'est elle je veux voir ... C'est important pour moi de satisfaire ce besoin. A moins bien sur que pour X raisons je ne puisse vraiment pas (on s'entend je bookerai pas une pornstar a Los Angeles a 2500 de l'heure) mais bref si je "peux" me le permettre, meme si ca inclus des conscession, je vais le faire. That said it will be a one time booking only, even if its "amazing" (it rarely is, i notice its usually just "good", as in i had a good time but the physical look/lust was the only edge to pay more). Now that say i book only 1h, so maybe these high end companions excel at multi hours booking in social settings like diner dates etc, i dunno.

As for GFE, well for me its just a principle. If i ain't gonna get GFE (at the bare minimum), then i see no point of booking. That would be like telling me as a kid i can go to La Ronde but im only allow 1 ride and thats it, then the rest of the day im simply doing other stuff. Maybe its a bit "bobotch" a comparison, but my point is its not a full experience. I can deal with "no cim no cof" if its someone i really wanna meet, but i don't see myself starting anything without kissing, would be weird... Foreplay is part of the fun. As for BBBJ ... maybe its psychological but i feel if there is a condom im not really getting my dick sucked... she is sucking rubber that my dick happen to be in... Its like if you challenged me to put a piece of poop in my mouth for money, no way im doing it. But if its in a bag and i only had to put the bag in my mouth to get the money... bah... iim not gonna taste it lol. Note that i am a huge oral fan, a lot more than vaginal or anal sex.

I guess for me to accept CBJ it would need to be that it become extremely hard to get BBBJ... wich i don't see happening. That said i will always accept boundaries and simply don't book providers who don't offer it. Even cim/cof ill ask, and it happened i got a No first, then when i offered a certain ammount it changed in a yes ... but if its a firm no for any ammount (or an ammount i judge fair for both of us), then fine, ill respect that. I always make sure we are on the same "longueur d'onde" before we start.

And yes for the last part, if i see rates that look too low and the provider look fairly hot, i just consider it either a bait and switch, a scam plain and simple, or a police sting. Maybe ocasionally there may be younger unaware providers who just need money for X raison and quick, but the risk are too high and if they need money that quick and willing to charge so low, something must be fishy (it may be for drugs, or they may be in a bad situation, i want to stay away from that)

 

[Enjoying life]

Yes its pretty much all true. Im sure there is a lot of good guys who simply can't afford the higher rates or will look for lower rates because it make more sense. I have a friend in the industry who pretty much mock me when i tell him i seen an indy at high price because he knows i got much less money than him and he personally refuse to go over a certain price. He is a nice guy, very respectful, but he allow a certain ammount on this business and he will rather see 2 providers in a certain period of time rather than 1 who charge more. Personally i think my reason to go for higher price is im "lustful" if it make sense. Ill say it in french to make sure it does not come out weird, mais en gros quand une fille me "tape dans l'oeuil", c'est elle je veux voir ... C'est important pour moi de satisfaire ce besoin. A moins bien sur que pour X raisons je ne puisse vraiment pas (on s'entend je bookerai pas une pornstar a Los Angeles a 2500 de l'heure) mais bref si je "peux" me le permettre, meme si ca inclus des conscession, je vais le faire. That said it will be a one time booking only, even if its "amazing" (it rarely is, i notice its usually just "good", as in i had a good time but the physical look/lust was the only edge to pay more). Now that say i book only 1h, so maybe these high end companions excel at multi hours booking in social settings like diner dates etc, i dunno.

As for GFE, well for me its just a principle. If i ain't gonna get GFE (at the bare minimum), then i see no point of booking. That would be like telling me as a kid i can go to La Ronde but im only allow 1 ride and thats it, then the rest of the day im simply doing other stuff. Maybe its a bit "bobotch" a comparison, but my point is its not a full experience. I can deal with "no cim no cof" if its someone i really wanna meet, but i don't see myself starting anything without kissing, would be weird... Foreplay is part of the fun. As for BBBJ ... maybe its psychological but i feel if there is a condom im not really getting my dick sucked... she is sucking rubber that my dick happen to be in... Its like if you challenged me to put a piece of poop in my mouth for money, no way im doing it. But if its in a bag and i only had to put the bag in my mouth to get the money... bah... iim not gonna taste it lol. Note that i am a huge oral fan, a lot more than vaginal or anal sex.

I guess for me to accept CBJ it would need to be that it become extremely hard to get BBBJ... wich i don't see happening. That said i will always accept boundaries and simply don't book providers who don't offer it. Even cim/cof ill ask, and it happened i got a No first, then when i offered a certain ammount it changed in a yes ... but if its a firm no for any ammount (or an ammount i judge fair for both of us), then fine, ill respect that. I always make sure we are on the same "longueur d'onde" before we start.

And yes for the last part, if i see rates that look too low and the provider look fairly hot, i just consider it either a bait and switch, a scam plain and simple, or a police sting. Maybe ocasionally there may be younger unaware providers who just need money for X raison and quick, but the risk are too high and if they need money that quick and willing to charge so low, something must be fishy (it may be for drugs, or they may be in a bad situation, i want to stay away from that)

Have a great sp with hot kink! We are very fortunate here!

 

[Valentina]

(on s'entend je bookerai pas une pornstar a Los Angeles a 2500 de l'heure)

même elle c’est du fake.

mais bref si je "peux" me le permettre, meme si ca inclus des conscession, je vais le faire. That said it will be a one time booking only, even if its "amazing" (it rarely is, i notice its usually just "good", as in i had a good time but the physical look/lust was the only edge to pay more). Now that say i book only 1h, so maybe these high end companions excel at multi hours booking in social settings like diner dates etc, i dunno.

Gâte toi.
Mais non… not everything is chatting for 45 min & 5 min action. Literally some guys want that physical affection and don’t go overboard it’s just a nice pace. And well. I like chilling naked. Can’t do that at the resto. I’m always unbuttoning my fkn pants coz I bloat on a FRIGGIN salad.

maybe its psychological but i feel if there is a condom im not really getting my dick sucked... she is sucking rubber that my dick happen to be in... Its like if you challenged me to put a piece of poop in my mouth for money, no way im doing it. But if its in a bag and i only had to put the bag in my mouth to get the money... bah... iim not gonna taste it lol. Note that i am a huge oral fan, a lot more than vaginal or anal sex.

I keep the condoms after and make balloons with them.
I also don’t like CBJ but respect people who request it. I like skin flute better.

or a police sting

POLICE. STING.

 

[Fradi]

. Now that say i book only 1h, so maybe these high end companions excel at multi hours booking in social settings like diner dates etc, i dunno.

How exactly do you excel at dinner?
Do they deep throat the food and have an orgasm like in the movie Harry met Sally.?

 

[Valentina]

How exactly do you excel at dinner?
Do they deep throat the food and have an orgasm like in the movie Harry met Sally.?

CLASSIC SCENE HAHAHAHAHAHHA

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I don't think anybody enjoys performing cbj, it's more for safety purposes
As for social settings and dinner dates, providers who offer services at all price ranges get booked for multiple hours and in that type of setting.

 

[Halloween Mike]

How exactly do you excel at dinner?
Do they deep throat the food and have an orgasm like in the movie Harry met Sally.?

Some providers have a much better social skill than others. They will have an intelligent conversion and are easier to accomodate in anything social. Then there is other providers who give you one hell of a fun time in bed but thats where it end, like no connection for the rest, boring or awkward conversion. Thats what i meant.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I don't think anybody enjoys performing cbj, it's more for safety purposes

Yeah. Personally its a calculated risk. Its like going snowboarding, there is a chance you have an accident and die or break a limb, but its fun so peoples do it. So far i been good in 15+ years, i hope it continue.