LMFAO. I’ve been shaking things up here recently. enough drama for a while.Lol, drop the name and have some drama. It's been quiet on MERB lately.
Sick and tired of scammers
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Charging luxury rates doesn't necessarily filter ''bad clients'', a lot of good clients can't afford high end rates, but to be honest when I went slightly above agency rates I did filter out a LOT of unpleasant clients.. And yeah, even when I charged quite low rates for an indy, I would get pressured for GFE and no matter how low I charged it was really difficult to get clients who would accept seeing a companion here who doesn't offer at least bbbj. I've heard the same as you, it's less expected elsewhere. Maybe it's because I was first starting and wasn't as ''known'' because I have colleagues who don't offer GFE and they still get bookings, but from what I've noticed in Montreal it's really hard to avoid it as an indy provider. I do also think that charging low rates can attract a clientele that refuses to respect boundaries and always pushes for more, unfortunately. There are also clients who are wary of booking you if you charge too low because they think something is suspicious.
Not all providers ask for deposits, but there are very good reasons why many of us do. I don't ask for deposits, and I've been pretty lucky in the past 6 months, but I had at least 10 no call no shows this past year and a lot of unwarranted cancellations. I've had entire days ruined because I changed my schedule for a booking that ended up not happening. It can be extremely frustrating.
However, I'm shocked at her excuse and it's upsetting that all of us get punished for one person's unprofessional behaviour.
It’s not an easy situation meeting a lot of men so you do what your comfortable with as you have to!
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MCTJ
Yes its pretty much all true. Im sure there is a lot of good guys who simply can't afford the higher rates or will look for lower rates because it make more sense. I have a friend in the industry who pretty much mock me when i tell him i seen an indy at high price because he knows i got much less money than him and he personally refuse to go over a certain price. He is a nice guy, very respectful, but he allow a certain ammount on this business and he will rather see 2 providers in a certain period of time rather than 1 who charge more. Personally i think my reason to go for higher price is im "lustful" if it make sense. Ill say it in french to make sure it does not come out weird, mais en gros quand une fille me "tape dans l'oeuil", c'est elle je veux voir ... C'est important pour moi de satisfaire ce besoin. A moins bien sur que pour X raisons je ne puisse vraiment pas (on s'entend je bookerai pas une pornstar a Los Angeles a 2500 de l'heure) mais bref si je "peux" me le permettre, meme si ca inclus des conscession, je vais le faire. That said it will be a one time booking only, even if its "amazing" (it rarely is, i notice its usually just "good", as in i had a good time but the physical look/lust was the only edge to pay more). Now that say i book only 1h, so maybe these high end companions excel at multi hours booking in social settings like diner dates etc, i dunno.
As for GFE, well for me its just a principle. If i ain't gonna get GFE (at the bare minimum), then i see no point of booking. That would be like telling me as a kid i can go to La Ronde but im only allow 1 ride and thats it, then the rest of the day im simply doing other stuff. Maybe its a bit "bobotch" a comparison, but my point is its not a full experience. I can deal with "no cim no cof" if its someone i really wanna meet, but i don't see myself starting anything without kissing, would be weird... Foreplay is part of the fun. As for BBBJ ... maybe its psychological but i feel if there is a condom im not really getting my dick sucked... she is sucking rubber that my dick happen to be in... Its like if you challenged me to put a piece of poop in my mouth for money, no way im doing it. But if its in a bag and i only had to put the bag in my mouth to get the money... bah... iim not gonna taste it lol. Note that i am a huge oral fan, a lot more than vaginal or anal sex.
I guess for me to accept CBJ it would need to be that it become extremely hard to get BBBJ... wich i don't see happening. That said i will always accept boundaries and simply don't book providers who don't offer it. Even cim/cof ill ask, and it happened i got a No first, then when i offered a certain ammount it changed in a yes ... but if its a firm no for any ammount (or an ammount i judge fair for both of us), then fine, ill respect that. I always make sure we are on the same "longueur d'onde" before we start.
And yes for the last part, if i see rates that look too low and the provider look fairly hot, i just consider it either a bait and switch, a scam plain and simple, or a police sting. Maybe ocasionally there may be younger unaware providers who just need money for X raison and quick, but the risk are too high and if they need money that quick and willing to charge so low, something must be fishy (it may be for drugs, or they may be in a bad situation, i want to stay away from that)
Have a great sp with hot kink! We are very fortunate here!
même elle c’est du fake.
Gâte toi.
Mais non… not everything is chatting for 45 min & 5 min action. Literally some guys want that physical affection and don’t go overboard it’s just a nice pace. And well. I like chilling naked. Can’t do that at the resto. I’m always unbuttoning my fkn pants coz I bloat on a FRIGGIN salad.
I keep the condoms after and make balloons with them.
I also don’t like CBJ but respect people who request it. I like skin flute better.
POLICE. STING.
How exactly do you excel at dinner?
Do they deep throat the food and have an orgasm like in the movie Harry met Sally.?
I don't think anybody enjoys performing cbj, it's more for safety purposes
As for social settings and dinner dates, providers who offer services at all price ranges get booked for multiple hours and in that type of setting.
As for social settings and dinner dates, providers who offer services at all price ranges get booked for multiple hours and in that type of setting.
Some providers have a much better social skill than others. They will have an intelligent conversion and are easier to accomodate in anything social. Then there is other providers who give you one hell of a fun time in bed but thats where it end, like no connection for the rest, boring or awkward conversion. Thats what i meant.
Yeah. Personally its a calculated risk. Its like going snowboarding, there is a chance you have an accident and die or break a limb, but its fun so peoples do it. So far i been good in 15+ years, i hope it continue.I don't think anybody enjoys performing cbj, it's more for safety purposes
It's not necessarily about good social skills. I think I have an unusual type of personality, I really enjoy talking with my clients and I'm a good conversationalist even if I'm quirky, so I get booked for social time often. Some providers really don't like talking with their clients and find it more exhausting than anything else, so they keep things physical, but that doesn't mean they have bad social skills. It also depends what you're asking for. When you offer social time and dinner dates, there will be clients who will ask you for this type of service. When I first began, I wasn't offering social time. I think luxury providers get booked for social time more because their branding involves cocktail dresses and champagne glasses, photos of meals from expensive restaurants, brand name accessories etc.
Exactly, it's a calculated risk and there are things that can be done to lower the risk.
Yeah thats what i meant for the first part. As for second part yeah sure and i supose everyone has a different "bar" on what is acceptable and what is not for risk.
Verify doesn't garanteeSome accounts on leolist are verified, and more trustworthy. Otherwise, tryst is much more reliable, and many providers advertise here
Verified accounts on LL guarantee very little, and virtually nothing with respect to security or to the quality of the provider. It's also interesting to say that being a high end provider charging more doesn't necessarily weed out the bad clients, because the converse is also true. Charging more doesn't make you a better provider. You guys will have to what I'm going to say with a grain of salt, because I understand that the culture is different here, but I'm more accustomed to the international conversations and their flavour is significantly different than here. The other guys tend to look at high end providers like they do designer jeans (perhaps a weak comparison) saying that you're paying a premium for what is at the heart of it the same product. You're paying for the branding, rather than the experience. Their viewpoint is that there has to be something to distinguish the high priced girl from the mid priced or cheaper one, and that had to be something in the experience itself, or a great difference in the level of social skills (sorry Luna) and their ability not just to please the guy, but also to make him feel good about himself. Their argument is that there are many more reasonably priced providers that can also do that (in part why they travel) , and that while higher priced ladies tend to be more reliable about punctuality and payments they also demand more and don't necessarily have that personal touch that helps distinguish between a deeply personal experience and just a sexual interlude. This is all just a very wordy way of saying that everyone shouldn't just concetrate on filtering out the lower end, but that there's lots of room to filter out the "poor" providers at the top end too. The warning here being that everyone heaps scorn on the lower end providers and their clients but that no one says boo about some of the higher ones that are also a waste of cash in terms of value. This despite the fact that the cash loss will be greater on the higher end than on the lower one, even if end up losing it all on the lower end. This is compounded by the fact that guys like to feel good and brag about seeing the higher rate providers, and hate to admit to anyone that at the end of the experience that they felt either let down or cheated. The guys that travel a lot have a hard time reconciling some of the what to them are disconnects, coupled with deposits, sharing personal info etc, which are extra risks to them (protections to the provider) and things that they don't have to deal with elsewhere. I'm so used to being in lots of different places that I adjust to the culture shock of each venue, but I have learned that it's very difficult to take anything in this business at face value and that all of it requires some level of scrutiny, not just the lower end, because assumptions about the high end can often be wrong, and you shouldn't be complacent. The one thing that virtually everyone agrees on is that personalities are super important. Of course, not everyone agrees on what type of personality is best.... lol.
Well I'm not a high end provider so you don't have to say sorry to me.
When I said that raising my rates weeded out clients I didn't like, I didn't mean that I went from charging low to being high end. I still have clients and colleagues tell me they think my rates are too low. And yea it's true an account being verified on LL doesn't guarantee anything, and a legit provider could have an unverified account. There's a small increase in trust when your account is verified tho.
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