Sick and tired of scammers

[Sylar]

Its like if you challenged me to put a piece of poop in my mouth for money, no way im doing it. But if its in a bag and i only had to put the bag in my mouth to get the money... bah... iim not gonna taste it lol.

Nothing could have prepared me for this on a Sunday morning

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Some providers have a much better social skill than others. They will have an intelligent conversion and are easier to accomodate in anything social. Then there is other providers who give you one hell of a fun time in bed but thats where it end, like no connection for the rest, boring or awkward conversion. Thats what i meant.

It's not necessarily about good social skills. I think I have an unusual type of personality, I really enjoy talking with my clients and I'm a good conversationalist even if I'm quirky, so I get booked for social time often. Some providers really don't like talking with their clients and find it more exhausting than anything else, so they keep things physical, but that doesn't mean they have bad social skills. It also depends what you're asking for. When you offer social time and dinner dates, there will be clients who will ask you for this type of service. When I first began, I wasn't offering social time. I think luxury providers get booked for social time more because their branding involves cocktail dresses and champagne glasses, photos of meals from expensive restaurants, brand name accessories etc.

Yeah. Personally its a calculated risk. Its like going snowboarding, there is a chance you have an accident and die or break a limb, but its fun so peoples do it. So far i been good in 15+ years, i hope it continue.

Exactly, it's a calculated risk and there are things that can be done to lower the risk.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Nothing could have prepared me for this on a Sunday morning

Yeah i had no better exemple in mind at the time.

 

[Halloween Mike]

It's not necessarily about good social skills. I think luxury providers get booked for social time more because their branding involves cocktail dresses and champagne glasses, photos of meals from expensive restaurants, brand name accessories etc.

Exactly, it's a calculated risk and there are things that can be done to lower the risk.

Yeah thats what i meant for the first part. As for second part yeah sure and i supose everyone has a different "bar" on what is acceptable and what is not for risk.

 

[Shantie_mtl]

Some accounts on leolist are verified, and more trustworthy. Otherwise, tryst is much more reliable, and many providers advertise here Not everyone asks for a 50% deposit, some of us do, and many of us don't.

Verify doesn't garantee

 

[urquell]

Verified accounts on LL guarantee very little, and virtually nothing with respect to security or to the quality of the provider. It's also interesting to say that being a high end provider charging more doesn't necessarily weed out the bad clients, because the converse is also true. Charging more doesn't make you a better provider. You guys will have to what I'm going to say with a grain of salt, because I understand that the culture is different here, but I'm more accustomed to the international conversations and their flavour is significantly different than here. The other guys tend to look at high end providers like they do designer jeans (perhaps a weak comparison) saying that you're paying a premium for what is at the heart of it the same product. You're paying for the branding, rather than the experience. Their viewpoint is that there has to be something to distinguish the high priced girl from the mid priced or cheaper one, and that had to be something in the experience itself, or a great difference in the level of social skills (sorry Luna) and their ability not just to please the guy, but also to make him feel good about himself. Their argument is that there are many more reasonably priced providers that can also do that (in part why they travel) , and that while higher priced ladies tend to be more reliable about punctuality and payments they also demand more and don't necessarily have that personal touch that helps distinguish between a deeply personal experience and just a sexual interlude. This is all just a very wordy way of saying that everyone shouldn't just concetrate on filtering out the lower end, but that there's lots of room to filter out the "poor" providers at the top end too. The warning here being that everyone heaps scorn on the lower end providers and their clients but that no one says boo about some of the higher ones that are also a waste of cash in terms of value. This despite the fact that the cash loss will be greater on the higher end than on the lower one, even if end up losing it all on the lower end. This is compounded by the fact that guys like to feel good and brag about seeing the higher rate providers, and hate to admit to anyone that at the end of the experience that they felt either let down or cheated. The guys that travel a lot have a hard time reconciling some of the what to them are disconnects, coupled with deposits, sharing personal info etc, which are extra risks to them (protections to the provider) and things that they don't have to deal with elsewhere. I'm so used to being in lots of different places that I adjust to the culture shock of each venue, but I have learned that it's very difficult to take anything in this business at face value and that all of it requires some level of scrutiny, not just the lower end, because assumptions about the high end can often be wrong, and you shouldn't be complacent. The one thing that virtually everyone agrees on is that personalities are super important. Of course, not everyone agrees on what type of personality is best.... lol.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Verified accounts on LL guarantee very little, and virtually nothing with respect to security or to the quality of the provider. It's also interesting to say that being a high end provider charging more doesn't necessarily weed out the bad clients, because the converse is also true. Charging more doesn't make you a better provider. You guys will have to what I'm going to say with a grain of salt, because I understand that the culture is different here, but I'm more accustomed to the international conversations and their flavour is significantly different than here. The other guys tend to look at high end providers like they do designer jeans (perhaps a weak comparison) saying that you're paying a premium for what is at the heart of it the same product. You're paying for the branding, rather than the experience. Their viewpoint is that there has to be something to distinguish the high priced girl from the mid priced or cheaper one, and that had to be something in the experience itself, or a great difference in the level of social skills (sorry Luna) and their ability not just to please the guy, but also to make him feel good about himself. Their argument is that there are many more reasonably priced providers that can also do that (in part why they travel) , and that while higher priced ladies tend to be more reliable about punctuality and payments they also demand more and don't necessarily have that personal touch that helps distinguish between a deeply personal experience and just a sexual interlude. This is all just a very wordy way of saying that everyone shouldn't just concetrate on filtering out the lower end, but that there's lots of room to filter out the "poor" providers at the top end too. The warning here being that everyone heaps scorn on the lower end providers and their clients but that no one says boo about some of the higher ones that are also a waste of cash in terms of value. This despite the fact that the cash loss will be greater on the higher end than on the lower one, even if end up losing it all on the lower end. This is compounded by the fact that guys like to feel good and brag about seeing the higher rate providers, and hate to admit to anyone that at the end of the experience that they felt either let down or cheated. The guys that travel a lot have a hard time reconciling some of the what to them are disconnects, coupled with deposits, sharing personal info etc, which are extra risks to them (protections to the provider) and things that they don't have to deal with elsewhere. I'm so used to being in lots of different places that I adjust to the culture shock of each venue, but I have learned that it's very difficult to take anything in this business at face value and that all of it requires some level of scrutiny, not just the lower end, because assumptions about the high end can often be wrong, and you shouldn't be complacent. The one thing that virtually everyone agrees on is that personalities are super important. Of course, not everyone agrees on what type of personality is best.... lol.

Well I'm not a high end provider so you don't have to say sorry to me. When I said that raising my rates weeded out clients I didn't like, I didn't mean that I went from charging low to being high end. I still have clients and colleagues tell me they think my rates are too low.

And yea it's true an account being verified on LL doesn't guarantee anything, and a legit provider could have an unverified account. There's a small increase in trust when your account is verified tho.

 

[urquell]

Well I'm not a high end provider so you don't have to say sorry to me. When I said that raising my rates weeded out clients I didn't like, I didn't mean that I went from charging low to being high end. I still have clients and colleagues tell me they think my rates are too low.

And yea it's true an account being verified on LL doesn't guarantee anything, and a legit provider could have an unverified account. There's a small increase in trust when your account is verified tho.

I wasn't referring to your rates at all. I was referring to you saying it wasn't all about social skills.

As far as I'm concerned the ladies can charge whatever they want. Free market and all, as long as they have willing customers. People can choose to pay or not as they please too. Everybody can have their own secret opinion on it not to be discussed ar length here. lol

 

[urquell]

I do think high end providers are more expected to have a good education, to be knowledgeable when it comes to certain subjects (good food, wine, fashion) and to provide the type of companionship that somebody who belongs to the upper class would. So it makes sense that a wealthy man who wants to bring someone on vacation or on a dinner date would choose someone like this.

Again, that wasn't exactly what I meant either, although it's certainly a benefit to be socially adaptable and well spoken. The women that make men feel good about themselves aren't necessarily "high class" either, for lack of a better term. What I was referring to, outside of physical skills, is a level of empathy, charm, charisma and/or emotional intelligence. Men will frequently say that they prefer to be with a 6 or 7 with these traits rather than a 10 without, because the superficial aspects aren't what make a session truly memorable, the social/mental interaction is. I have seen women who like to call themselves courtesans, while pricing to match the title, who had all the social dexterity of a paperweight. You have to be a special kind of superficial to value this kind of woman over one who actually has a personality to offer. I've never been able to understand it, myself. No type of price banding quantifies what level of social/emotional intelligence a woman has.