Some women are considering the 4B movement - Hopefully not in Canada or our dear companions

[Fradi]

. I would call this a mature decision, not bullying

Parting ways, yes that is the right and the mature decision if sex is being withheld because of political voting preference. There is not much to be gained and certainly love has left that relationship.
The withholding of sex to bend the person to your will however is bullying.

 

[Julia Sky]

With respect to suicide stats, I've had to same realization as you in the past. It's shocking to say, but part of the reason why men's suicide rate is higher than women is that because they use deadlier means when they attempt suicide. Suicide  attempts would be a better place to look but I guess those stats are inaccurate and I don't know where to look

To be fair I think the statistics are also skewed by the fact that women are known to seek medical (and mental health) help when they need it, whereas men tend to avoid anything about tending to their physical/mental health. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone but we are talking in general. So it's hard to really know who gets more depressed because a lot of people are depressed in the shadows. I personally think people are depressed across the board, regardless of gender. Men do tend to choose more drastic ways to attempt suicide, that is true.

Not the subject of this thread so I'll stop here lol

To answer Fradi's last post : yeah I guess I understand where you're coming from. You can't control someone's decisions by withholding sex off the bat; you can however disagree with their decisions if they don't align with your values and then decide to part ways or prefer not be intimate with them and they do what they want with this information in a mature way. Coercion in any relationship (whether family, life partner or even friends) is obviously never okay nor is it mature so I understand what you mean.

 

[wolfie7]

This is great news... Less extremists in the gene pool is always welcomed.

 

[Fradi]

To answer Fradi's last post : yeah I guess I understand where you're coming from. You can't control someone's decisions by withholding sex off the bat; you can however disagree with their decisions if they don't align with your values and then decide to part ways or prefer not be intimate with them and they do what they want with this information in a mature way. Coercion in any relationship (whether family, life partner or even friends) is obviously never okay nor is it mature so I understand what you mean.

Just so you know that there are no misunderstandings
I do not agree with anyone telling a woman what to do with her body and that includes giving birth.
It should be her decision and hers alone.
The reason for them withholding sex had nothing to do with my comments.

 

[wtvmark]

So when I first saw and heard of this new trend it made me stop and think for a bit
Most people that turned to this movement have done so after the election results. So, one of the issues here to me is as follows. Take this with a grain of salt
The vote happened in more or less democratic system. Now in such a system you get to vote for whatever side of an issues you please. However if your side does not "win" the vote, as much as it sucks, the theory is you are supposed to abide bu the decision. You don't need to like it, but if one side only agrees with democracy when they win, then the system fails and we might as well stop pretending.
This is regardless of your beliefs. I haven't voted liberal in years. But when they were ready to ban firearms of whatever type they were thinking of at the time, I was going to abide by the ruling. Regardless of my beliefs I was going to abide by the law as much as I can. Or else society doesn't work. I don't say or do things like refused to pay taxes or whatever else because my side didn't win.
Now before people shit themselves, that doesn't mean i am pro trump and super conservative. Mostly I want people to leave me the fuck alone. I've been told my opinions on every don't matter since I'm male for years. Except when I vote goes the wrong way, then I'm accountable. All that aside, I'm pro choice by medical necessity of it being available as an option over the alternative.
You want to be 4B? Go for it. If it's cause you didn't get your way in an election, find a way to do better next time and convince people to vote for your side.
Just remember one of the key things in 4B is also into trans women.
Or make a different movement that includes whatever you want.
But if you're supporting things like that cause you don't like the results of a democratic process, then seems to me like you only like democracy when it works out for what you want. Unpopular, but then again no one likes what I say at the best if times.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

On the contrary radicals tend to force society to evolve, without radicals there wouldn't have been a civil war movement for example.

^^^^
Yes, we would still have slaves and probably not a women's right to vote. The issue for "radicals" is real; women have died in states without legal abortion. The fetus is dead and has no chance of surviving but several documented cases where Drs were too afraid of the law (like in TX) to remove the fetus. The women died of sepsis or other complications and was in no condition to travel to a State with women's body rights.

 

[Ducon]

out of touch with the real needs of the people which is food on the table for their families

One thing I like about americans is that, unlike some europeans, they realize how lucky they are to be in the 1st world.
They thank their god for the abundance they live in ( and even eat too much ).
But it seems that they are starting to play the "pretending to be poor" act to try to justify how they vote.
The rise of food prices didn't change how much food they buy. It only reduced their budget for non-food, non-essentials things that the average human cannot even afford.
The very small minority of americans who are genuinely poor and actually struggle to buy food will get no help from republicans.

 

[CaptRenault]

This is yet another that I see increasing numbers of white American men with East Asian, Southeast Asian or Latina wives or girlfriends.

 

[Fradi]

One thing I like about americans is that, unlike some europeans, they realize how lucky they are to be in the 1st world.
They thank their god for the abundance they live in ( and even eat too much ).
But it seems that they are starting to play the "pretending to be poor" act to try to justify how they vote.
The rise of food prices didn't change how much food they buy. It only reduced their budget for non-food, non-essentials things that the average human cannot even afford.
The very small minority of americans who are genuinely poor and actually struggle to buy food will get no help from republicans.

I agree with you they should have kept voting for the Dems until they reached the same level of poverty as the worst third world country.

This of course is the preaching by the Dems they rejected in record numbers who kept telling them that they are only imagining their financial struggles and they should be grateful and educate themselves like their much smarter elite leaders.

 

[minutemenX]

This is yet another that I see increasing numbers of white American men with East Asian, Southeast Asian or Latina wives or girlfriends.

If 4B movement takes hold in North America, it would be a golden era for working girls. Most people on this board have, at least partially, experienced some effects of 4B so they know exactly how to deal with it

 

[Fradi]

^^^^
Yes, we would still have slaves and probably not a women's right to vote. The issue for "radicals" is real; women have died in states without legal abortion. The fetus is dead and has no chance of surviving but several documented cases where Drs were too afraid of the law (like in TX) to remove the fetus. The women died of sepsis or other complications and was in no condition to travel to a State with women's body rights.

That may be true however the use of the term radical nowadays is usually used in a negative way describing someone who is dangerous and out of control, out of touch with reality and often used in conjunction with terrorism.

 

[CLOUD 500]

The very small minority of americans who are genuinely poor and actually struggle to buy food will get no help from republicans.

And how do you think they plan to help? By taxing those that work hard to give it to them the poor? How has that worked for Canada? You cannot tax a nation into prosperity. Charity organizations exist to help the poor, but Democrats will only create more poverty with carbon taxes and mass immigration.

 

[coquin105]

The 4B movement is not a new movement. It is encouraged by the woke far-left and they encourage misandry. It is interesting to note how hating on men is so normalized. I see a lot of man hating posts by young women and to them men are just there to give them money.

Voilà une excellente raison pour apprécier les demoiselles asiatiques qui ne semblent pas encore avoir été contaminées par ce mouvement qui est de la pure folie.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Voilà une excellente raison pour apprécier les demoiselles asiatiques qui ne semblent pas encore avoir été contaminées par ce mouvement qui est de la pure folie.

True. Same for African women born in Africa. Totally different mentality, they also cook for their husband. These women are gold.

 

[nothinghere]

This 4B movement is Bizarre.
Withholding sex is the most Conservative thing a woman can do next to being a Nun.
Also Conservatives will be breeding "Liberals" out of existence by Darwinistic laws.
Trump giving back abortion policy to individual states is decentralizing the system, actually quite anti fascist.
Strange that a medical procedure is even political given it is just a doctor-patient affair.
I guess abortion is gold for politicians and stem cell research.
Now below videos are probably why things get sketchy.
In both videos the women presenting abortion at birth do not want to answer questions directly.
Abortion at birth for psychological or economic reasons to be legalized?

Third trimester abortion bill presented

Senator John Kennedy abortion

Ahh yes the below video is what triggered Trump during the debate.
I would not be surprised if this abortion at birth bill proposal was designed to troll Trump.
Yes late term abortion for safety of mother or a defective fetus.
But in the first vid above the woman is pushing for "mental" reasons hidden in the proposed bill.

Virginia Governor keep the baby comfortable

Somehow this abortion issue is going to be weaponized against Trump of course.
Already "Your body my choice" hate propaganda to "frame" Trump supporters?

CNN your body my choice

The above looks like a paid for organized "Bot farm postings" operation to stir Sh1t.
I bet those incel hate messages coming from India or China "Bot farms" not local incels.

bot farm example
..Scary stuff to start revolutions??
MKUltra level.

This 4B movement gonna be a bit difficult for providers and strippers.
Another option below:

Cruise line offers "4 years skip ahead" to avoid Trump

 

[nothinghere]

Dang... 4B move aside, enter the MATGA movement.

Newsweek: MATGA movement

"women embracing the trend appear with captions such as: "Sure, my body, your choice," before pouring unknown liquids into drinks."
"....and this soon evolved into the MATGA movement. ... The first video got over 1.3 million LIKES!!"

1.3 million likes??....That must be a "Bot farm" yeaa see how it works.
Bot Farm these trends like the 4B until it hits the top of the search algorithms.

Hopefully not in Canada wtf

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

This abortion at birth argument is silly. Third-trimester abortions are less than 1% of cases in the US, and it means the discovery of a catastrophic fetal anomaly or genetic disorder that guarantees death, suffering, or serious disability for the baby that would be delivered if the pregnancy were to continue to term. In most clinics it is a 4 day procedure including confirmation that the fetus (which is not a baby) has a catastrophic fetal condition.

More common is late-term miscarriage, and in TX, there have been several confirmed cases of women dying because of Sepsic when they could not get treatment to remove the fetal material and were in no condition to travel to a state where women had rights over the body.

A pregnant teenager died after trying to get care in three visits to Texas emergency rooms

It took 20 hours and three ER visits before doctors admitted the pregnant 18-year-old to the hospital as her condition worsened. She’s one of at least two women who died under Texas’ abortion ban.

www.texastribune.org

 

[CLOUD 500]

This 4B movement is Bizarre.
Withholding sex is the most Conservative thing a woman can do next to being a Nun.

Withholding sex is a control tactic and a radical feminist tactic. They know how much a man needs sex, it is their weakness. Radical feminists (the 4B movement) goal is to castrate and dominate all men. There has been examples of sex strike being used to push demands.

Women withhold sex in bid to unseat Togo's president

The female wing of a civil rights group is urging women in Togo to stage a week-long sex strike to demand the resignation of the country's president.

www.nbcnews.com

Women in Togo used a sex strike to get the president to resign.

2009 Kenya sex strike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was used in Kenya.

 

[Valentina]

Hello. Be warned . It’s gonna be a long one… I touch on abortion and woke LGBTQIA+ stuff.

This is what happens when the left censors information, which in turn causes mob mentality and perpetuates fear mongering.

Let me make it clear that I am “anti gov” lol and I am not for any candidates. I believe that politics are extremely rigged, gerrymandered and corrupt. HOWEVER, when given the illusion of choice to vote, the Democratic Party wasn’t doing SHIT for the economy and for the people. People complain that times are rough, well. Abortion isn’t at the top of everyone’s list - and if women need to get abortions every other month there may be an issue on how uneducated women are when it comes to contraception and safe sex.

Btw - I am for abortions, no one should tell a woman what to do with their bodies. Point final. But I am also for common sense first. Which seems to be lost upon society nowadays. Common sense ain’t so common no more.

People did not "choose grocery prices over their human rights". People chose grocery prices over the delusions that their rights were being taken away in the first place. Nobody is taking away women’s rights. Trump was already president and he didn’t take away gay marriage, he didn’t enact a national abortion ban, or take away trans rights. So the left in particular needs to stop scolding working class people because they didn’t PRIORITIZE their delusions over the ability to put food on the table.

The people who talk so much about privilege don’t seem to understand what a privileged position it is to be in to prioritize their own delusions that their rights are being taken away. I see so many people doing anything but reflect on why the Democrat Party's message was such a resounding failure. People are tired of prioritizing fake issues (like the woke crowd’s stupidity), they are tired of coddling grown adults who demand that everybody prioritize their feelings over everyone else’s ability to feed themselves.

I’m all for women’s rights, protecting our children especially (you should see the horrors they’ve done on them caused by the woke and rainbows crowd).
Bullying society for choosing only what best suits your needs over a plethora of issues is extremely egotistical.

I’ve been called a far right nazi, bigot, transphobe all because I disagree. My OG trans and gay friends are fkn FED UP of the woke crowd coming into their safe spaces they’ve built over the years. It was once LBGT only. It has always existed. And that’s it. The rest is mental illness. The point of transitioning is to assimilate and fit into society and “fly under the radar”. They don’t want all this negative attention that the woke crowd has brought in. The “normal” gays and “normal” trans, as JD Vance said, don’t need to seek validation from society. They’re perfectly fine and at peace with themselves and don’t cause problems for the rest of us.

My trans friend of 62 years is also alarmed at how the woke crowd has come into ACTUAL REAL women’s spaces as well and ruined it for us with their bullshit. The woke crowd takes up so much space that real women’s rights have a hard time being heard and discussed.


Let’s talk about real oppression:

- Iraq slashed age of consent to 9 years old
- The taliban banned women’s voices, reading and singing in public.
- Some women are covered head to toe and not by choice, can’t VOTE, can’t get an education, can’t have friends, don’t have a phone, can’t go out, can’t drive, etc

Circling back to the abortion subject; in the USA, it is a state by state issue. Even if Kamala would’ve won - she wouldn’t have jurisdiction over this.
- Where was the outcry under Kamala’s administration during these past 4 years then?
- Where was the outcry for the women overseas?
Lots of people are quick to judge, label and are ill-informed for needs that best suit their own it seems.

I’ve recently come about some very alarming information: Women in the USA are being DENIED their rights and are being LIED to. This needs to be rectified ASAP because the list of women who have died for a lack of care is abhorrent. Another example of censorship and corruption. Please take a second and listen to this hearing:

Food for thought:

- To the women shaving their heads for the 4B movement:
You say you’re shaving your head so "men won't want you" but does that mean that men shouldn't want women that have struggled with hair loss due to alopecia or chemo?
These actions are very selfish and it's only effecting the women that have struggled with hair loss.
Should they not be able to feel loved by a man? Should men not want them because they’re bald?

- How do you feel about women’s rights when men who “identify” as women are transferred into women prisons, beat the living crap out of them, rape and impregnate them?

- How do you feel about women’s rights when males who “identify” as women, who are criminally charged with sex crimes - groom and sexually assault BABIES but get a reduced sentence just based off of their identity?

This woke crap and virtue signalling has to stop. Cancel culture needs to stop. Labeling needs to stop. Most importantly, common sense needs to become common again.

Here are some links in regards to the food for thought section I wrote:

Warning. Gruesome:

EXCLUSIVE: Female Inmate Assaulted by Canadian Transgender Child Rapist in Women's Prison Sustained Broken Ribs, Eyewitness Reports - Reduxx

An eyewitness has come forward to reveal that a trans-identified male pedophile brutally assaulted a female inmate while housed in a women’s prison in British Columbia, Canada. The woman sustained broken ribs during the horrific attack. Adam Laboucan, who is Canada’s youngest dangerous offender...

reduxx.info

CANADA: Man On Trial For Murdering His Wife And Two Children Now Identifies as Transgender - Reduxx

The trial of a man charged with murdering his wife and two young sons has begun this week, with the accused now claiming to identify as transgender. Mohamad Al Ballouz, 38, is charged with the second-degree murder of his wife, Synthia Bussières, and the first-degree murders of their two sons...

reduxx.info

Warning. Gruesome:

CANADA: Trans-Identified Male Who Shared Sadistic Child Abuse Content And Called for Transitioning of Minors Will Serve Shortened Sentence In Women's Jail - Reduxx

A trans-identified male and “recidivist pedophile” from Quebec who has been held in a women’s prison since his arrest has had his 32-month sentenced reduced after the court decided that his transgender status made incarceration “extremely difficult” for him. Krystel Lauzon, 39, was detained at...

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Tulsa Man Arrested For Possession of Child Pornography Said He Viewed It Because He Was "Curious About Being A Female" - Reduxx

An Oklahoma man who identifies as non-binary and genderqueer has been arrested on charges related to the possession of child pornography. Cody Dillon Emerson, 38, who also uses the name Cody Finkelstein on social media, claimed that he had downloaded the images of girls being sexually abused...

reduxx.info

IRELAND: Violent Transgender Inmate 'Barbie Kardashian' in Court Over Threatening to Rape, Kill Women In Female Prison - Reduxx

The trial of a trans-identified male inmate known for posing a significant risk to women began this week in Limerick County Court. Barbie Kardashian, born Alejandro Gentile, who is serving a sentence for threatening to rape, torture, and murder his own mother, is accused of threatening to rape...

reduxx.info

Female Inmates in Minnesota Say Trans-Identified Male Transfers Make Them Feel “Scared” And “Unsafe”

EXCLUSIVE: Female Inmates in Minnesota Say Trans-Identified Male Transfers Make Them Feel "Scared" And "Unsafe" - Reduxx

Female inmates at the women’s prison in Shakopee, Minnesota have come forward to report disturbing behavior from the trans-identified males housed at their facility. Former inmate Rebeca Warmbo alerted Reduxx to the situation and has been communicating with women inside Shakopee, who reveal the...

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[MCTJ]

The good news is that wokeness is already receding in the background. The backlash is well underway, from academia to mainstream media and big business. Many leftists in academia and elsewhere have always been against it but were afraid to speak their mind for a (well-founded) fear of losing their jobs. It will be seen as a profoundly bizarre and irrational period of human history.