Some women are considering the 4B movement - Hopefully not in Canada or our dear companions

[Fradi]

. I would call this a mature decision, not bullying

Parting ways, yes that is the right and the mature decision if sex is being withheld because of political voting preference. There is not much to be gained and certainly love has left that relationship.
The withholding of sex to bend the person to your will however is bullying.

 

[Julia Sky]

With respect to suicide stats, I've had to same realization as you in the past. It's shocking to say, but part of the reason why men's suicide rate is higher than women is that because they use deadlier means when they attempt suicide. Suicide  attempts would be a better place to look but I guess those stats are inaccurate and I don't know where to look

To be fair I think the statistics are also skewed by the fact that women are known to seek medical (and mental health) help when they need it, whereas men tend to avoid anything about tending to their physical/mental health. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone but we are talking in general. So it's hard to really know who gets more depressed because a lot of people are depressed in the shadows. I personally think people are depressed across the board, regardless of gender. Men do tend to choose more drastic ways to attempt suicide, that is true.

Not the subject of this thread so I'll stop here lol

To answer Fradi's last post : yeah I guess I understand where you're coming from. You can't control someone's decisions by withholding sex off the bat; you can however disagree with their decisions if they don't align with your values and then decide to part ways or prefer not be intimate with them and they do what they want with this information in a mature way. Coercion in any relationship (whether family, life partner or even friends) is obviously never okay nor is it mature so I understand what you mean.

 

[wolfie7]

This is great news... Less extremists in the gene pool is always welcomed.

 

[Fradi]

To answer Fradi's last post : yeah I guess I understand where you're coming from. You can't control someone's decisions by withholding sex off the bat; you can however disagree with their decisions if they don't align with your values and then decide to part ways or prefer not be intimate with them and they do what they want with this information in a mature way. Coercion in any relationship (whether family, life partner or even friends) is obviously never okay nor is it mature so I understand what you mean.

Just so you know that there are no misunderstandings
I do not agree with anyone telling a woman what to do with her body and that includes giving birth.
It should be her decision and hers alone.
The reason for them withholding sex had nothing to do with my comments.

 

[wtvmark]

So when I first saw and heard of this new trend it made me stop and think for a bit
Most people that turned to this movement have done so after the election results. So, one of the issues here to me is as follows. Take this with a grain of salt
The vote happened in more or less democratic system. Now in such a system you get to vote for whatever side of an issues you please. However if your side does not "win" the vote, as much as it sucks, the theory is you are supposed to abide bu the decision. You don't need to like it, but if one side only agrees with democracy when they win, then the system fails and we might as well stop pretending.
This is regardless of your beliefs. I haven't voted liberal in years. But when they were ready to ban firearms of whatever type they were thinking of at the time, I was going to abide by the ruling. Regardless of my beliefs I was going to abide by the law as much as I can. Or else society doesn't work. I don't say or do things like refused to pay taxes or whatever else because my side didn't win.
Now before people shit themselves, that doesn't mean i am pro trump and super conservative. Mostly I want people to leave me the fuck alone. I've been told my opinions on every don't matter since I'm male for years. Except when I vote goes the wrong way, then I'm accountable. All that aside, I'm pro choice by medical necessity of it being available as an option over the alternative.
You want to be 4B? Go for it. If it's cause you didn't get your way in an election, find a way to do better next time and convince people to vote for your side.
Just remember one of the key things in 4B is also into trans women.
Or make a different movement that includes whatever you want.
But if you're supporting things like that cause you don't like the results of a democratic process, then seems to me like you only like democracy when it works out for what you want. Unpopular, but then again no one likes what I say at the best if times.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

On the contrary radicals tend to force society to evolve, without radicals there wouldn't have been a civil war movement for example.

^^^^
Yes, we would still have slaves and probably not a women's right to vote. The issue for "radicals" is real; women have died in states without legal abortion. The fetus is dead and has no chance of surviving but several documented cases where Drs were too afraid of the law (like in TX) to remove the fetus. The women died of sepsis or other complications and was in no condition to travel to a State with women's body rights.

 

[Ducon]

out of touch with the real needs of the people which is food on the table for their families

One thing I like about americans is that, unlike some europeans, they realize how lucky they are to be in the 1st world.
They thank their god for the abundance they live in ( and even eat too much ).
But it seems that they are starting to play the "pretending to be poor" act to try to justify how they vote.
The rise of food prices didn't change how much food they buy. It only reduced their budget for non-food, non-essentials things that the average human cannot even afford.
The very small minority of americans who are genuinely poor and actually struggle to buy food will get no help from republicans.

 

[CaptRenault]

This is yet another that I see increasing numbers of white American men with East Asian, Southeast Asian or Latina wives or girlfriends.

 

[Fradi]

One thing I like about americans is that, unlike some europeans, they realize how lucky they are to be in the 1st world.
They thank their god for the abundance they live in ( and even eat too much ).
But it seems that they are starting to play the "pretending to be poor" act to try to justify how they vote.
The rise of food prices didn't change how much food they buy. It only reduced their budget for non-food, non-essentials things that the average human cannot even afford.
The very small minority of americans who are genuinely poor and actually struggle to buy food will get no help from republicans.

I agree with you they should have kept voting for the Dems until they reached the same level of poverty as the worst third world country.

This of course is the preaching by the Dems they rejected in record numbers who kept telling them that they are only imagining their financial struggles and they should be grateful and educate themselves like their much smarter elite leaders.

 

[minutemenX]

This is yet another that I see increasing numbers of white American men with East Asian, Southeast Asian or Latina wives or girlfriends.

If 4B movement takes hold in North America, it would be a golden era for working girls. Most people on this board have, at least partially, experienced some effects of 4B so they know exactly how to deal with it

 

[Fradi]

^^^^
Yes, we would still have slaves and probably not a women's right to vote. The issue for "radicals" is real; women have died in states without legal abortion. The fetus is dead and has no chance of surviving but several documented cases where Drs were too afraid of the law (like in TX) to remove the fetus. The women died of sepsis or other complications and was in no condition to travel to a State with women's body rights.

That may be true however the use of the term radical nowadays is usually used in a negative way describing someone who is dangerous and out of control, out of touch with reality and often used in conjunction with terrorism.

 

[CLOUD 500]

The very small minority of americans who are genuinely poor and actually struggle to buy food will get no help from republicans.

And how do you think they plan to help? By taxing those that work hard to give it to them the poor? How has that worked for Canada? You cannot tax a nation into prosperity. Charity organizations exist to help the poor, but Democrats will only create more poverty with carbon taxes and mass immigration.

 

[coquin105]

The 4B movement is not a new movement. It is encouraged by the woke far-left and they encourage misandry. It is interesting to note how hating on men is so normalized. I see a lot of man hating posts by young women and to them men are just there to give them money.

Voilà une excellente raison pour apprécier les demoiselles asiatiques qui ne semblent pas encore avoir été contaminées par ce mouvement qui est de la pure folie.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Voilà une excellente raison pour apprécier les demoiselles asiatiques qui ne semblent pas encore avoir été contaminées par ce mouvement qui est de la pure folie.

True. Same for African women born in Africa. Totally different mentality, they also cook for their husband. These women are gold.

 

[nothinghere]

This 4B movement is Bizarre.
Withholding sex is the most Conservative thing a woman can do next to being a Nun.
Also Conservatives will be breeding "Liberals" out of existence by Darwinistic laws.
Trump giving back abortion policy to individual states is decentralizing the system, actually quite anti fascist.
Strange that a medical procedure is even political given it is just a doctor-patient affair.
I guess abortion is gold for politicians and stem cell research.
Now below videos are probably why things get sketchy.
In both videos the women presenting abortion at birth do not want to answer questions directly.
Abortion at birth for psychological or economic reasons to be legalized?

Third trimester abortion bill presented

Senator John Kennedy abortion

Ahh yes the below video is what triggered Trump during the debate.
I would not be surprised if this abortion at birth bill proposal was designed to troll Trump.
Yes late term abortion for safety of mother or a defective fetus.
But in the first vid above the woman is pushing for "mental" reasons hidden in the proposed bill.

Virginia Governor keep the baby comfortable

Somehow this abortion issue is going to be weaponized against Trump of course.
Already "Your body my choice" hate propaganda to "frame" Trump supporters?

CNN your body my choice

The above looks like a paid for organized "Bot farm postings" operation to stir Sh1t.
I bet those incel hate messages coming from India or China "Bot farms" not local incels.

bot farm example
..Scary stuff to start revolutions??
MKUltra level.

This 4B movement gonna be a bit difficult for providers and strippers.
Another option below:

Cruise line offers "4 years skip ahead" to avoid Trump

 

[nothinghere]

Dang... 4B move aside, enter the MATGA movement.

Newsweek: MATGA movement

"women embracing the trend appear with captions such as: "Sure, my body, your choice," before pouring unknown liquids into drinks."
"....and this soon evolved into the MATGA movement. ... The first video got over 1.3 million LIKES!!"

1.3 million likes??....That must be a "Bot farm" yeaa see how it works.
Bot Farm these trends like the 4B until it hits the top of the search algorithms.

Hopefully not in Canada wtf

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

This abortion at birth argument is silly. Third-trimester abortions are less than 1% of cases in the US, and it means the discovery of a catastrophic fetal anomaly or genetic disorder that guarantees death, suffering, or serious disability for the baby that would be delivered if the pregnancy were to continue to term. In most clinics it is a 4 day procedure including confirmation that the fetus (which is not a baby) has a catastrophic fetal condition.

More common is late-term miscarriage, and in TX, there have been several confirmed cases of women dying because of Sepsic when they could not get treatment to remove the fetal material and were in no condition to travel to a state where women had rights over the body.

A pregnant teenager died after trying to get care in three visits to Texas emergency rooms

It took 20 hours and three ER visits before doctors admitted the pregnant 18-year-old to the hospital as her condition worsened. She’s one of at least two women who died under Texas’ abortion ban.

www.texastribune.org

 

[CLOUD 500]

This 4B movement is Bizarre.
Withholding sex is the most Conservative thing a woman can do next to being a Nun.

Withholding sex is a control tactic and a radical feminist tactic. They know how much a man needs sex, it is their weakness. Radical feminists (the 4B movement) goal is to castrate and dominate all men. There has been examples of sex strike being used to push demands.

Women withhold sex in bid to unseat Togo's president

The female wing of a civil rights group is urging women in Togo to stage a week-long sex strike to demand the resignation of the country's president.

www.nbcnews.com

Women in Togo used a sex strike to get the president to resign.

2009 Kenya sex strike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was used in Kenya.