Sovereignists going after children...

[Techman]

Now we see how desperate they are becoming. The Quebec Council for Sovereignty is trying to get teachers from kindergarden level on up to introduce a pro sovereignist booklet into their classes.This booklet has all kinds of "fun activities" such as designing a new flag for an independant Quebec to choosing new holidays. This goes way beyond propaganda and borders on indoctrination. It seems that they have learned from the middle east and the communists how to best create the beliefs you want your children to have. You start them really young before they are able to develope their own ideas. The Liberals as well as the ADQ have already come out against this and I suggest that if any teachers do bring these booklets into their classes they should be immediatly fired. It's one thing to introduce political discussion into high schools and up where the students can actually discuss the ideas. But going after very young, overly impressionable children is beyond wrong. This is ridiculous.

 

[Cosmo]

I might be separatist,but I don't agree with that strategy.
Leave the kids alone!Let them grow up,and live their chilhood.
But lets not panic,I doubt the book will find it's way on kids desks,IMHO.

 

[Techman]

While listening to the news I heard the best part of all...on the first page of this booklet they thank the Canadian gov't for the grant money that made the project possible. Canada's tax dollars at work. This is just too good.

Thanks Cosmo. We may disagree sometimes but it's nice to know that we both think that kids should be allowed to just be kids. They grow up fast enough as it is.
And I agree that it probably won't get very far as they only printed 11,000. I wouldn't mind getting a copy though, I'm curious about what's in it.

 

[docprostate]

Tax dollars

Do not forget Techman, that Canadian's tax dollars are also from money coming from Quebec.

While listening to the news I heard the best part of all...on the first page of this booklet they thank the Canadian gov't for the grant money that made the project possible. Canada's tax dollars at work. This is just too good.

Thanks Cosmo. We may disagree sometimes but it's nice to know that we both think that kids should be allowed to just be kids. They grow up fast enough as it is.
And I agree that it probably won't get very far as they only printed 11,000. I wouldn't mind getting a copy though, I'm curious about what's in it.

 

[General Gonad]

It won't see the light of day

I might be separatist,but I don't agree with that strategy.
Leave the kids alone!Let them grow up,and live their chilhood.
But lets not panic,I doubt the book will find it's way on kids desks,IMHO.

Cosmo,

I agree with you. I have many separatist friends and they love debating me on this subject. But we would both agree that this is a completely stupid and dangerous effort to indoctrinate young impressionable kids. Let people freely choose to be separatists. Talk about ripping one out of the old communist red book!

GG

 

[voyageur11]

From what i read in the paper this morning We wont see this book in school almost everyone is against it the bloc and the pq. included . I will not read it because i am not a Gerald Larose fan

 

[Bob Binette]

Not that I agree with seperatists but...

Let's get the facts straight. It's not a book for children but for professors. Second, it's not going to be distributed in schools but sold in book stores - i.e. you have to go out of your way and pay money for it. Finally this is nothing compared to the federalist propaganda distributed in schools.

As is always the case, you can never assume that the media has the right facts. They always look for controversy and will make it up if they don't have it.

 

[Techman]

Let's get the facts straight. It's not a book for children but for professors. Second, it's not going to be distributed in schools but sold in book stores - i.e. you have to go out of your way and pay money for it. Finally this is nothing compared to the federalist propaganda distributed in schools.

As is always the case, you can never assume that the media has the right facts. They always look for controversy and will make it up if they don't have it.

Lets indeed get the facts straight...they were trying to get teachers to introduce it into their classes as part of the curicuulum. Obviously children would not have the money to purchase it.

What federalist propaganda is taught in schools? The history of the country?
During the Oka crisis and the Mercier bridge blockade they interviewed some kids from a french school in Chateauguay and one of the children said that the Mohawks should go back where they came from, that they had no right to be here because they weren't Quebecois. I think the schools should do a bit better job in teaching the history of Canada.

Oh. by the way I am aware that Quebecers also pay Canadian taxes. But no tax money should be spent on promoting the destruction of the country no matter where it comes from.

 

[docprostate]

Ô Canada

It is still a great province, by the way

When I was a boy, we used to sing the "ô Canada" in the school hallroom. Should we call that "Brain washing"?

Come on....`

Bob Binette is right: Get the facts straight before starting whining.


Elvis

Many do not know that ''Ô Canada'' was written in French then translated in English.

 

[slashmtl]

Do not forget Techman, that Canadian's tax dollars are also from money coming from Quebec.

Don't forget docprostate there are only 3 "Have" provinces and Quebec is not one of them. So I guess it is not so much Canada paying for them as it is Ontario, Alberta and B.C.

No way my kid is entering the public school system in this province.

 

[Techman]

Look at things this way...a couple of years ago one of the parties floated the idea of lowering the voting age to 16 from 18, it was either the PQ or the ADQ. So you start the indoctrination/brainwashing in schools now from the age of 5 on up. The PQ wins the next election in two years, drops the voting age the year after that, referendum the year after that. That's 4 years from now so that gives you four years to brainwash enough 12 year old and up kids to win your referendum. I don't think they would have many problems achieving separation on the backs of children and I'm also sure they wouldn't think twice about doing it if they were given the chance.

Many do not know that ''Ô Canada'' was written in French then translated in English

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And unveiled on Canada Day as a gift to Canada by the Societe St-Jean Baptiste no less. My how things have changed.

 

[naughtylady]

Once again it is time for us to write our MPs and our Prime Minister and let them know how we feel.

Also with the up comming provincial election it is a good time to contact our local reps and let them know how we feel.

We can write about it here till we are blue in the face but that wont change anything. Our government reps actually do take our letters and emails seriously. They know that many will complain but few will take any sort of action. They also know that their career depends of getting votes... your votes... We live in a more or less democratic society, use that power to assure you are being represented.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[wilko26]

Don't forget docprostate there are only 3 "Have" provinces and Quebec is not one of them. So I guess it is not so much Canada paying for them as it is Ontario, Alberta and B.C.

No way my kid is entering the public school system in this province.

Whats the point about public and private school in that thread? You think this book is intended for only public school?

First ovall this book have been written with private money has anybody of us can do it... Everybody can publish a book.

Second, who said this book will goes into school? Tomorrow I can write a book about How teacher should educate kids to prostituion, and its doesnt mean its would be into school.

Third, we live in a free country, we are not into germany in 1940 when they were burning book of jewish people... So people are free to talk about history the way they want... the funniest thing here in Quebec is that history class at secondary school at TOTALLY different in french and english. So dont worry they already talk about it, its wont be something new...

So to have this book, into classes the following step need to be done:

1-) Teacher buy the book.
2-) Teacher read it and judge if its pertinent or not to bring it into classes.
3-) Teacher need to talk about it in class.... if its a mathematic teacher I'm curious how he would bring it.... so remain: french, history and maybe geographia class...

If you think a school gonna buy 100s copy for student there, its like believing Irak have massive destructions weapons. Actually anti-separatist play with words to make people think that... But believing anything said on radio and tv is to be ignorant... You should listen interview done buy the guy who publish it.

Considering they talk about HIV, bisexuality, how use a condom etc...(something that their parent should talk) at school I dont think that talking about separation is that bad...

Anyway dont worry at 16-18 y.o. most of people are able to make their own idea... If they cant too bad for them.

Wilko

 

[Khangg]

This will undoubtedly end up as a humanities class in cegep sometime soon.

Remember...

The victor(s) get to rewrite history!

 

[slashmtl]

Warning RANT BELOW

My response to this rediculous post.

Whats the point about public and private school in that thread? You think this book is intended for only public school?

School was brought up so am not sure how this is confusing to you. And any private school I choose will not have any hint of a seperatist agenda and will not teach a seperatist biased history. If I cannot find one I will send my kid to an english school, which are more in line with my way of thinking.

First ovall this book have been written with private money has anybody of us can do it... Everybody can publish a book.

Second, who said this book will goes into school? Tomorrow I can write a book about How teacher should educate kids to prostituion, and its doesnt mean its would be into school.

Third, we live in a free country, we are not into germany in 1940 when they were burning book of jewish people... So people are free to talk about history the way they want... the funniest thing here in Quebec is that history class at secondary school at TOTALLY different in french and english. So dont worry they already talk about it, its wont be something new...

I posted under the assumption that the book was to be distributed to schools and thanks for telling me that anyone can publish a book if they want to pay (sarcastic). Good luck with your hooker book.

Also if you think we live in a free country you are sadly mistaken. If we did an immigrant could come to quebec and send his kid to an English school and I could use a totally english sign for my business that does exclusive commerce with anglophones. But alas this is illegal even though we have two official languages. So we are far from a free society.

As for history my kid will never learn the seperatist version where the english are blamed for all their ills and the quiet revolution is revered as great and the FLQ is considered a group and not terrorists like they were. If you look at the history of the french canadians the english were not to blame for them not being part of the buisiness world it was the church who said business was evil so just stay on your farm and make babies. But don't get me started on this.

So to have this book, into classes the following step need to be done:

1-) Teacher buy the book.
2-) Teacher read it and judge if its pertinent or not to bring it into classes.
3-) Teacher need to talk about it in class.... if its a mathematic teacher I'm curious how he would bring it.... so remain: french, history and maybe geographia class...

Nothing to say here it is just rediculous. If the gov't wants it in the curiculum it will be in every class. Easy as that. And if a teacher brought that in the class they should be fired, that is way over the line. Parents must know what is being taught to their kids. This happened in Alberta I beleive where the idiot was teaching that the holocaust never happened it was Jewish propaganda. He went to jail.

If you think a school gonna buy 100s copy for student there, its like believing Irak have massive destructions weapons. Actually anti-separatist play with words to make people think that... But believing anything said on radio and tv is to be ignorant... You should listen interview done buy the guy who publish it.

Both sides spin but the problem is the seperatists flat out lie and cheat to steal votes.

Considering they talk about HIV, bisexuality, how use a condom etc...(something that their parent should talk) at school I dont think that talking about separation is that bad...

The problem with talking about seperatism is that they don't offer both sides impatially. The glorify the seperatism and vilify the federalists with a bunch of garbage about protecting their language bla, bla, bla. Without Canada quebec is english in 20 years. It is canada's protection policies forcing imports to be bilingual, and many others.

Anyway dont worry at 16-18 y.o. most of people are able to make their own idea... If they cant too bad for them.

Wilko

You obviously are unclear on the concept of indoctrinization (brain-washing). Kids spout what they are taught. If they are taught their whole life to hate blacks they not going to rethink their position at 16. No they will hate blacks their whole life. Education is critical to formiong how our young people think and if we don't over look what they are learning then when society goes to shit it is ourselves we should blame not society. We each have our part to do.

Phew I am done. I may have upset people but I really don't care. Nothing I said here is against any group it just states things as I see them. Just as a note I am against seperatists cause they lie and cheat. If they told it like it is, saying how hard it will be, that they will lose substantial amount of people and business, and they will not have all quebec as they know now as their new country and IF knowing all this they vote to seperate I will accept it. I will move but I will accept it. And yes I speak french and my signifigant other is pure french canadian.

 

[JustBob]

Jesus, the amount of gross exaggerations, silly generalizations and hyperbole destined at demonizing the separatists in this thread is mindboggling. What's next? Separatists will eat your children? And I ain't even a separatist...

 

[spin]

Jesus, the amount of gross exaggerations, silly generalizations and hyperbole destined at demonizing the separatists in this thread is mindboggling. What's next? Separatists will eat your children? And I ain't even a separatist...

Separatists should be demonized - I always find it so odd that separatists can spew any hog wash propoganda they like BUT the minute a few federalist's try to counter they are quickly ridiculed, often by their own!

Federalist's unite! It's time to end the outdated (and never really viable) idea of seperation once and for, and we shall start our campaign right here on MERB!

All in favor of a complete and truly billingual Canada please take one step forward.

We should all be proud that we live in Canada, we should ALL SPEAK BOTH ENGLISH & FRENCH and teach BOTH languages to everyones children.

I would also suggest to those of us who already speak both OFFICIAL languages to pick up a 3rd (spanish, italian, greek, thai, whatever rocks your world). I've yet to meet someone who regrets learning a second or third language.

 

[JustBob]

Separatists should be demonized - I always find it so odd that separatists can spew any hog wash propoganda they like BUT the minute a few federalist's try to counter they are quickly ridiculed, often by their own!

What a silly argument. What I ridicule is extremism and all the silliness that comes with it. And I don't care which side it comes from. "My side" doesn't get a free pass on stupidity. I have no problem with counter arguments when they are based on reason, logic, facts, and critical thinking.

 

[slashmtl]

What a silly argument. What I ridicule is extremism and all the silliness that comes with it. And I don't care which side it comes from. "My side" doesn't get a free pass on stupidity. I have no problem with counter arguments when they are based on reason, logic, facts, and critical thinking.

So explain to me what was extreme with what I wrote. Tell me where my reasoning is wrong. This I can't wait to see. I absolutly agree with Spin.

 

[wilko26]

SlashMtl gonna reply to you stupid argument in french and if you cant understand I'm SORRY for you.

Comment tu peut vivre dans une province qui comporte un MINIMUM de 35% de separatistes? Ta réponse résume un peu l'ignorance qu'on reproche a une grande majorité d'américain....

Le livre ne sera PAS disponibles dans les écoles et sera publié seulement en librairies... Le monde qui comprennent pas ça arreter ici vous comprendrez pas la suite...

C'est un livre qui a été écris par un séparatiste (Gerald Larose) afin de guider les enseignants ET les parents dans l'éducation de la souveraineté aux jeunes. Dans tout ca il n'y a rien de GOUVERNEMENTAL et c'est bien évident avec le parti libéral au pouvoir. Les gens sont libres de l'acheter et ya rien dedans qui dit de tuer du monde ou de quoi d'illégal.... Il n'y a rien qui oblige les enseignants a les acheter et de toute façon un enseignant de mathematique commencera pas a parler de souveraineté demain... Je pense que c'est seulement dans un cour d'histoire que ça ferait un sens malgré que ca ne fait pas parti du programme d'enseignement.

Comme je l'ai dit en anglais le livre doit être acheté en librairie... c'est pas de quoi qui va être dans les salles de classes en 32 exemplaire...

Special note to slashmtl, you wrote: ( Just as a note I am against seperatists cause they lie and cheat. ) Federalist never did that.... Thats probably why we had Gomery Commission.... If you dont understand what I said in french I'm sorry for you!

Last thing, I gonna repeat a quote that one of my friend from Ottawa told me: 'When I cross the bridge I feel I'm in another country'.

BTW the funniest part is that I even dont know if I would vote OUI (slash= yes) at another referendum! Asking rest of Canada to speak french is kind of ridiculous... Its like asking american to speak french... I just hate people who thing that separatist are some people that should burn... Everybody should have right to express their opinion and this is what this guy did.... maybe he will sell 100 of thoses books... like I said its a private initiative doesnt mean teachers will jump in... So thoses who are against this book should go buy couple of them and burn them I'm sure they will feel better LOL

Wilko