SPs without reviews

[Skym]

If the SP is a good/great/amazing and wants to go NRP as she sees this as sacred that is fine.

Now if the SP is bad/terrible at all or majority of the time and using NRP to hide the fact that is not okay.

For me, several thoughts & questions go thru my mind when i see a "no review policy"

Questions like,
1. Are you simply using the no review policy just to hide substandard mediocre service? And avoid responsibility & criticism?

2. Is it a ploy to scam clients? And hide accountability?

Then I have a thought that pops in my mind, like in those CSI cop shows where they say, if you think you're not guilty, then you have nothing to hide.

I feel like going ahead with someone with a no review policy is giving that person the benefit of a doubt which is something I'm not willing to do. I've been scammed before.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Ah this old thread... Feel like Soul Calibur. History told and retold...

I was there 15 years ago

Reviews were useful.

Sure there was the ocasional erotic novel wich made me roll my eyes (clients saying they gave 3 orgasms in one hour yada yada) and a few bad apples that made reviews to be dicks to providers but overall things were good.

Now? A third of clients are afraid of white knights attacking them to score points with SPs, a third are afraid of blacklisting cause indies screen heavily including stuff like real names wich back then would had been ludacris to think about exept if seeing a famous pornstar or an UTR semi celebrity(playboy or victoria secrets models etc) and agencies have a lot of powers almost having a monopoly running incall "farms".

To be honest i don't recognize the business anymore these days. While i am for security (for both providers and clients) i think it changed too much to cather to a luxury clientel in general.

Of course a rich person won't mind losing 600$ if its a mediocre service. For me? Its more than a week pay. It hurt. Then again i been there in the good days. Im sure for a "new guy" what i consider a subpar meeting could be great for him... I dunno.

Since my misadventures late last year and early this year i been thinking heavily on the business. Maybe im a dinosaur and the asteroid hit me...

Oviously there is providers active right now i seen and trust and there is some i did not see but trust they are genuine. Luna is one of them. She is very open on what she offer, post often here, and she has post so many pics you know how she look. There is a few mores like her that come to mind.

But my point is the business changed.

And i feel its harder than ever to "trust" if you understand what i mean.

Why an SP charging 600 to 800h who has been around for 5/7 years barely have reviews? Is it because she's too great and clients don't want her to become harder to book (yes its a real thing as weird as it sound) or is it because the service was just fine enough to be considered "not a scam/robbery" but not great either.

Correct me if im wrong but i think Merb only allow NRP to SPs that leave the business or NOT advertise here.

 

[EastWind]

For me, several thoughts & questions go thru my mind when i see a "no review policy"

Questions like,
1. Are you simply using the no review policy just to hide substandard mediocre service? And avoid responsibility & criticism?

2. Is it a ploy to scam clients? And hide accountability?

Then I have a thought that pops in my mind, like in those CSI cop shows where they say, if you think you're not guilty, then you have nothing to hide.

I feel like going ahead with someone with a no review policy is giving that person the benefit of a doubt which is something I'm not willing to do. I've been scammed before.

Ditto. Agree on all points.

That was what happened. See my post #3 in this thread.

Broke my own rules of booking a girl only if she has reviews good or bad.

 

[urquell]

There is a big difference between an SP that doesn't have any reviews on the board and one who doesn't allow reviews. Also, contrary to some beliefs not having reviews on the board does not stop discussion about SPs in back channels. It does, however, stop those who don't have back channel contacts from getting info, which means newbies generally. Most of the most personal, intimate info or info that would not be tolerated on the public forums appears in back channels. So, it's important to make the distinction between those who have no reviews and those who don't allow reviews. With the former it's a crapshoot and TOFTT. With the latter the people who've been around can still get info and make informed decisions whether public reviews are allowed or not. There's a built in handicap for people who are new to the scene.

Personally, when I was still seeing the generally available SPs I would decline to see those that didn't allow reviews. Not seeing them wasn't an aspersion on their personalities or abilities but rather with such a large selection of people to choose from and with so much info available why would I choose to see someone who refuses to allow info about them to be made public? It may or may not mean anything, but it may also be a flag, and I'd probably rather take a chance on someone who has no available info rather than someone who refuses it, just because it seems like the odds of someone having a reason to hide their info is less with an unknown quantity than with a known hider of said info. Again it could turn out either way in either case, but it amounts to playing the odds somewhat. With prices being what they are these days it makes sense to choose based on available info and reviews rather than choosing an unknown quantity. You could make the case that it's like online shopping and that the trend line over a larger quantity of available positive info/reviews is something to look for when filtering potential dates. Yes, I understand that there are fundamental differences and a human aspect to SPs completely absent from buying on Amazon but some of the same principles apply regardless. You just need to apply the right filters.

Not my circus, not my monkeys, since I don't have that problem, and everyone can determine what their own individual risk factor is, but minimizing risk (whether monetary or experience risk) would seem to me to be a good thing. Informed choices are always better IMHO.

 

[JackBNimble]

Lots of interesting comments here. I definitely understand SPs wanting to avoid hurtful and compromising info in reviews. And clients want to have a sense of what to expect from a provider.
I'll throw out an idea just for the halibut... The P411 platform has a system where clients can request an "OK" from providers they have visited. No additional info or comments are included. But if I have 29 OKs from providers, it gives them a level of confidence. If we could turn this around and have clients give OKs to providers it might be useful. Obviously a lot of details would need to be worked out and I don't know who would do this, but it's just a thought.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Reading reviews is good and sometimes not. I come from an era of Blind dates, while on napsters. Asking for escort services on the back of news paper.
You didn't know back then. It made that cute anxiety, the wait for the encounter even more palpable.
And yes... Sometimes It was not what I was hoping. It costed me, my time, hard earned money, and made me question my choices. Then I found merb and for a while started reading reviews. Like a member pointed out in the previous comments. Some people will come here and assume that the review is a guaranted quality of services. It isn't! She might not want to do Bbbj, anal and go house hunting...
( Wait! House hunting? (Really? )) for various reason, that only concerns her, towards you. My experience might varry from yours,

We're humans seeing other humans. Emotions, trust and chemestry goes into the balance; as well as many other factors. Some may or may not take this into consideration, because we pay for said services. What I'm trying to say, most likely awkwardly, is:
The reviews I look at is:

Was it a scam?
Was the place clean?
Did you have any red flags from the session?
Would you see this person again?
Yes, no and maybe the why.

My needs arent yours. So I dont need to know all the details of other's encounter, or how she twisted her tongue three times while reciting Harry Potter's spell and made your wand...
Also. Man, would I disslike reading about my own "performance", technique painted in a gory or bad way, for everyone to see. Hence why my reviews revolves a lot about how it felt, rather then the actions. Also why some dont want reviews.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Asking for escort services on the back of news paper.
You didn't know back then. It made that cute anxiety, the wait for the encounter even more palpable.
And yes... Sometimes It was not what I was hoping. It costed me, my time, hard earned money, and made me question my choices. Then I found merb and for a while started reading reviews.

I tried that twice before i discovered Merb. First time while it was awful i blamed myself and my inexperience. Made sure to ask more questions the second time. While the second time at least the provider was decently actractive the service was just as awful. I didn't even had sex...just a lame CBJ and no kissing. After those 2 experiences i brushed off this type of services and told myself i would end up the 40 y.o virgin in real life. 2 years later i found Merb and gave it a "last try" and ...the rest is history.

Years later i was told by a friend who never booked but that specific time a friend of his convince him to do it (and paid for it) and they called the News Paper and lets just say things had not changed LOL

 

[Verbal Kint]

Years later i was told by a friend who never booked but that specific time a friend of his convince him to do it (and paid for it) and they called the News Paper and lets just say things had not changed LOL

Oh yeah. And after the news paper came the internet and... well, This is why
the term: 《Toftt》came from.
There has to be many who had scam, catfished related stories, myself included. That, on it's own; could be another topic.
The first time, I called on the phone and a woman picked up. I froze for a second, then took the spare change of courage I had, and explained to her, I had never done this. She was a pearl, and I got to meet a gracious, gorgeous woman. But that, is also for another topic.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Ah this old thread... Feel like Soul Calibur. History told and retold...

I was there 15 years ago

Reviews were useful.

Sure there was the ocasional erotic novel wich made me roll my eyes (clients saying they gave 3 orgasms in one hour yada yada) and a few bad apples that made reviews to be dicks to providers but overall things were good.

Now? A third of clients are afraid of white knights attacking them to score points with SPs, a third are afraid of blacklisting cause indies screen heavily including stuff like real names wich back then would had been ludacris to think about exept if seeing a famous pornstar or an UTR semi celebrity(playboy or victoria secrets models etc) and agencies have a lot of powers almost having a monopoly running incall "farms".

To be honest i don't recognize the business anymore these days. While i am for security (for both providers and clients) i think it changed too much to cather to a luxury clientel in general.

Of course a rich person won't mind losing 600$ if its a mediocre service. For me? Its more than a week pay. It hurt. Then again i been there in the good days. Im sure for a "new guy" what i consider a subpar meeting could be great for him... I dunno.

Since my misadventures late last year and early this year i been thinking heavily on the business. Maybe im a dinosaur and the asteroid hit me...

Oviously there is providers active right now i seen and trust and there is some i did not see but trust they are genuine. Luna is one of them. She is very open on what she offer, post often here, and she has post so many pics you know how she look. There is a few mores like her that come to mind.

But my point is the business changed.

And i feel its harder than ever to "trust" if you understand what i mean.

Why an SP charging 600 to 800h who has been around for 5/7 years barely have reviews? Is it because she's too great and clients don't want her to become harder to book (yes its a real thing as weird as it sound) or is it because the service was just fine enough to be considered "not a scam/robbery" but not great either.

Correct me if im wrong but i think Merb only allow NRP to SPs that leave the business or NOT advertise here.

I don't think those sp who charge higher necessarily view themselves as "too great".. I think some people choose to be harder to book for the sake of their health. I don't think it's about reviews really. You are also correct, Merb doesn't allow NRP unless the SP's security is in jeopardy. A lot of clients are respectful enough to not post reviews if the SP doesn't want them to. I think the client base for these providers who charge more are rarely the type to post reviews, to put it simply.

I just gotta say I don't undertand why some of you believe that guys are ''afraid of saying bad things about SP because of white knights trying to score points''. It just seems like a stupid thing to be afraid of, honestly... If she has clients defending her, it might be a sign that she's appreciated, don't you think? I'm also confused about this threat of potential ''black listing'', which is not even a real thing.

Thank you for the compliment tho I do work extremely hard to prove that I offer what I offer and look like my photos... but it can be exhausting and never ending because there is always someone who is still skeptical, and I understand that most providers don't want to do this. All off this stuff makes us hyper visible, which is not ideal for discretion. I think it's important to remember that the services we offer are intimate in nature, and I can understand why a lot of SP don't enjoy reading a bunch of detailed stuff about their bodies and the ''juicy details'' so to speak..

Ultimately everyone can make their own decisions about who they want to see.. if a SP charges too high for your budget and you're annoyed she doesn't have reviews, you can perfectly choose to see somebody else.

I also think that avoiding leolist would be a really good thing for many here.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Personally I rely on my "sixth sense". Intuition, attention to detail, pattern recognition, etc. that develops after years navigating in this sphere. I am sure that experienced escorts develop something similar regarding clients. Does it bother me that some escorts prefer not to be reviewed? Not a all. It can even be a bit of a turn on.

Recently I contacted one on Tryst whose ad said no reviews (essentially). After exchanging a few emails, my sixth sense did not detect any threat. Conclusion: excellent GFE service and she looked like her pictures.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

a third are afraid of blacklisting cause indies screen heavily including stuff like real names wich back then would had been ludacris

I think you meant "ludicrous", not

Ludacris

You made my day

 

[CLOUD 500]

Reading reviews is good and sometimes not. I come from an era of Blind dates, while on napsters. Asking for escort services on the back of news paper.
You didn't know back then. It made that cute anxiety, the wait for the encounter even more palpable.
And yes... Sometimes It was not what I was hoping. It costed me, my time, hard earned money, and made me question my choices. Then I found merb and for a while started reading reviews. Like a member pointed out in the previous comments. Some people will come here and assume that the review is a guaranted quality of services. It isn't! She might not want to do Bbbj, anal and go house hunting...
( Wait! House hunting? (Really? )) for various reason, that only concerns her, towards you. My experience might varry from yours,

We're humans seeing other humans. Emotions, trust and chemestry goes into the balance; as well as many other factors. Some may or may not take this into consideration, because we pay for said services. What I'm trying to say, most likely awkwardly, is:
The reviews I look at is:

Was it a scam?
Was the place clean?
Did you have any red flags from the session?
Would you see this person again?
Yes, no and maybe the why.

My needs arent yours. So I dont need to know all the details of other's encounter, or how she twisted her tongue three times while reciting Harry Potter's spell and made your wand...
Also. Man, would I disslike reading about my own "performance", technique painted in a gory or bad way, for everyone to see. Hence why my reviews revolves a lot about how it felt, rather then the actions. Also why some dont want reviews.

Except back then the norm was a gaffe style. Just CBJ and doggystyle. Then GFE came and it changed the game. The reviews are needed to see who is giving crap service because it is a pattern. Between you and I, if things remained like it was in the newspaper days, no DFK no BBBJ I would most likely not spend a dime. But if cheap like a cheap $80 quickie it would be okay but for sure not $400 to $500 per hour. Even $270/hr is too much for a gaffe style service.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I just gotta say I don't undertand why some of you believe that guys are ''afraid of saying bad things about SP because of white knights trying to score points''. It just seems like a stupid thing to be afraid of, honestly... If she has clients defending her, it might be a sign that she's appreciated, don't you think? I'm also confused about this threat of potential ''black listing'', which is not even a real thing.

Thank you for the compliment tho

I also think that avoiding leolist would be a really good thing for many here.

You welcomed

And well i dunno i consider myself rather easy going and "nice in my reviews" but even i was "attacked" by clients a couple times when i had meetings that were "under my expectations" and mentioned it. And not to be an hypocrite i have defended some SP as well after bad reviews so i am myself guilty of my own critic here, im fully self aware lol. To ME they appeared as unfair critics/down right "juste pour salire la reputation" but were they? I can't prove it. So there is a self awareness/irony in my post.

For the rest i dunno how the "SP back channels" work but i do know some had the block button trigger fast on Twitter lol so who knows when it comes to "IRL actual meetings" ... I dunno really.

Lets say i make a review about someone. She was legit, she didn't scam me or anything, but it was really a "meh meeting" like not terrible but just "it was ok...". Then if im honest in my review should i fear her SP friends refusing to see me because of it? Thats what i meant.

Maybe i been overthinking it too much lately between my 2 disastrous times + the XO LE situation...

 

[Verbal Kint]

Except back then the norm was a gaffe style. Just CBJ and doggystyle. Then GFE came and it changed the game. The reviews are needed to see who is giving crap service because it is a pattern. Between you and I, if things remained like it was in the newspaper days, no DFK no BBBJ I would most likely not spend a dime. But if cheap like a cheap $80 quickie it would be okay but for sure not $400 to $500 per hour. Even $270/hr is too much for a gaffe style service.

I had that gfe exp back then. As we mentioned, it may have been the early days of gfe or a Wmmv case.
Tried the gaffe style and yeah... no.
Also the: pay by the acronym model... no.
Yes reviews makes sense to prevent scammy behaviours. Although we tend to turn it on it's head quickly, to cover every finite details, one might want, and... this is where I get off the bus.

I don't want to mix rates and services.
It's up to me to accept them, or not.
Lawyers will charge 600$ an hour and another 400$, no one bats an eye.
Not my place to discuss where a given Sp will value her services, time and privacy.

I tried asking myself once, what would be my price, to meet another person I barely know, and... So I shut up.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

I tried asking myself once, what would be my price, to meet another person I barely know, and... So I shut up.

I appreciate you did the exercise!

 

[Fradi]

You welcomed

And well i dunno i consider myself rather easy going and "nice in my reviews" but even i was "attacked" by clients a couple times when i had meetings that were "under my expectations" and mentioned it. And not to be an hypocrite i have defended some SP as well after bad reviews so i am myself guilty of my own critic here, im fully self aware lol. To ME they appeared as unfair critics/down right "juste pour salire la reputation" but were they? I can't prove it. So there is a self awareness/irony in my post.

For the rest i dunno how the "SP back channels" work but i do know some had the block button trigger fast on Twitter lol so who knows when it comes to "IRL actual meetings" ... I dunno really.

Lets say i make a review about someone. She was legit, she didn't scam me or anything, but it was really a "meh meeting" like not terrible but just "it was ok...". Then if im honest in my review should i fear her SP friends refusing to see me because of it? Thats what i meant.

Maybe i been overthinking it too much lately between my 2 disastrous times + the XO LE situation...

Nah you are not wrong at all.
Never mind bad reviews, you dare to disagree with an Sp even on one of her posts and her bobble head minions come out in droves to attack you.

Unfortunately Merb doesn’t seem to be for reviews anymore but for a click that only want to hear from each other and put like and heart emojis against each others posts.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

You welcomed

And well i dunno i consider myself rather easy going and "nice in my reviews" but even i was "attacked" by clients a couple times when i had meetings that were "under my expectations" and mentioned it. And not to be an hypocrite i have defended some SP as well after bad reviews so i am myself guilty of my own critic here, im fully self aware lol. To ME they appeared as unfair critics/down right "juste pour salire la reputation" but were they? I can't prove it. So there is a self awareness/irony in my post.

For the rest i dunno how the "SP back channels" work but i do know some had the block button trigger fast on Twitter lol so who knows when it comes to "IRL actual meetings" ... I dunno really.

Lets say i make a review about someone. She was legit, she didn't scam me or anything, but it was really a "meh meeting" like not terrible but just "it was ok...". Then if im honest in my review should i fear her SP friends refusing to see me because of it? Thats what i meant.

Maybe i been overthinking it too much lately between my 2 disastrous times + the XO LE situation...

If guys are defending a SP that you had a meeting that wasn't up to your expectations in my opinion it just means they had a different experience with her. One guy said this on my review thread and no "white knights" came to my defense. It just happens. I found out after doing research and I know why he didn't have a good time. Someone else may have another experience with this guy or tolerated his actions better, he was a bit rough physically and I remember being very tired.

I'm sure you're honest in your reviews but not everyone thinks about it that well before making a comment and there are reviews that truly attack or endanger the person or are full of lies, that's a real problem. It's kinda normal in those cases that a client will defend her or talk about his personal experiences with her. Particularly considering the fact that most clients don't even write reviews, it can be hard to know the truth at the end of the day if somebody just has a few reviews and suddenly gets a bad one.. I think it's actually a good sign if somebody has a lot of guys showing their appreciation for her.

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Let me reassure you, and others here. No, you shouldn't be scared that if you write a negative review of a SP her "friends" won't want to see you. That's not really how it works, it's our job so we see clients who reach out in a polite and appropriate way, not clients who all of our friends love or had great experiences with.. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 clients who wrote a bad review of a colleague before. Not because I wanted to betray those colleagues, I did feel bad, but because it's business. A lot of people don't even tell us their Merb handle so there's no way for us to know who it is anyways. If I don't fear for my safety and if I don't feel like the experience will be terrible I will see the client, and that's the case for most SP.

Personally if I look at someone's reviews I take a few things into consideration and I notice patterns just for my own good. If somebody almost only or very often writes bad reviews, I'd rather stay away because in my mind that means the client probably has a bad attitude and overly high expectations. Same thing if I see a client insult providers in reviews and comments.. it's one thing to say you had an experience that didn't suit your expectations.. but you've seen some reviews that are particularly nasty and you know what I mean. Those clients usually don't want to see me anyways because of how vocal I am here.

Just a side note.. I think many people here assume we're all friends but most of us have few true friendships in the industry. Most of us have never met in person and we don't talk that much. We're often not even close to our incall roommates, or we literally don't know them. I'm only close with a handful of SP, some others are acquaintances at best.

 

[Fradi]

If guys are defending a SP that you had a meeting that wasn't up to your expectations in my opinion it just means they had a different experience with her. One guy said this on my review thread and no "white knights" came to my defense. It just happens. I found out after doing research and I know why he didn't have a good time. Someone else may have another experience with this guy or tolerated his actions better (he was very tough) but I remember I wasn't doing well that day.

I'm sure you're honest in your reviews but not everyone thinks about it that well before making a comment and there are reviews that truly attack or endanger the person or are full of lies, that's a real problem.

No, you shouldn't be scared that if you write a bad review of a SP her "friends" won't want to see you. That's not really how it works.. I've seen clients who wrote a bad review of a colleague before. Not because I wanted to betray those colleagues but because it's just business. If I don't fear for my safety and if I don't feel like the experience will be terrible I will see the client, and that's the case for most SP..

Personally if I look at someone's reviews I take a few things into consideration and I notice patterns just for my own good. If somebody almost only or very often writes bad reviews, I'd rather stay away because in my mind that means the client probably has a bad attitude and overly high expectations. Same thing if I see a client insult providers in reviews and comments.. it's one thing to say you had an experience that didn't suit your expectations.. but you've seen some reviews that are particularly nasty and you know what I mean. Those clients usually don't want to see me anyways because of how vocal I am here.

Just a side note.. I think many people here assume we're all friends but most of us have few true friendships in the industry. Most of us have never met in person and we don't talk that much.

I think in most cases if you don’t have the experience you are looking for with an SP it is probably your own fault for not doing your home work and picking an SP off of LL or you are pushing their boundaries.
Yes for sure there can be cases when she has a bad day or she just doesn’t click with you for some reason.
Most reputable SP want you to have a nice experience with them as their objective is to have a repeat regular customer.

I haven’t seen many in the 9 years I have been doing this probably a total of 30 SP and 90% of the time with My ATF and one other young lady.
Out of all I can say that I have only had 2 experiences that were not what I had imagined, not bad by any means just not something I would want to repeat.

One was with a lady who I followed on Twitter and I liked her comments her web page but she was not really my type physically, very petit and a spinner.
She was a total sweet heart and did everything possible to please me and talking to her was nice but unfortunately I wasn’t really attracted to her through no fault of her own, she looked exactly like her photographs on her web page.

The other was a strange experience, it was with someone who is gorgeous, many great reviews and is very skilled at what she does. Everything would have been great except for some reason she decided to keep calling me babe and each time she did that it was like chalk scraping on the blackboard. I introduced myself with a name, use it and at least remember it for the time I am with you. Perhaps I should have said something, probably most guys don’t give a shit, but it seems I do.

Neither of these cases warranted a bad review, why put a blemish on their record when in reality they didn’t do anything wrong.
I have never written a bad review simply because I have never had a bad experience not because I am scared of being attacked but because I do my homework before choosing an escort.
Some people like a blow by blow explicit review with all the acronyms listed, I don’t, I write about the experience whether I would repeat or not and try and keep it from being dehumanizing or insulting.

 

[Fradi]

Just think about this a little. If people disagree with someone and agree with a SP's point of view maybe they genuinely agree with her and that's what they're contributing to the conversation. Same thing if they defend her on her review thread, maybe they truly have suspicions that what was said is unfair.

That is one way to look at it.

Another is that:

Some of these “ men” are very awkward around women and have never had a real loving relationship with women and they are desperate for their validation and approval.
They will hang on their every word and idolize them and defend them regardless of what is being said.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

That is one way to look at it.

Another is that:

Some of these “ men” are very awkward around women and have never had a real loving relationship with women and they are desperate for their validation and approval.
They will hang on their every word and idolize them and defend them regardless of what is being said.

Undoubtedly that could be true about some people, and that is also true about men who only post bad reviews or spend their time here with a really bitter and angry attitude. in which case they are not looking for validation and approval from the women, but from the other men here. This is a very popular social phenomenon online.. this is why ''manosphere'' type websites are so popular nowadays, but also even among classmates and in groups of friends. Some men who lack self confidence will act that way to secure their place in the social hierarchy among other men and try to prove their masculinity using the wrong method, meaning by insulting ppl they view as weaker. So much has been written about this, it's not even just with men tbh. And yes women do this as well, they signal their place in a group by bashing on a less popular individual.

You haven't met every man who you qualify as a ''white knight'' in person, so you are projecting a narrative onto them. From personal experience with this type of man (very awkward and never had real relationships), they are more afraid of confrontation than anything else and few of them actually want to expose themselves to being insulted by other guys, they are followers. I've seen some of my own clients get called ''white knights'' here, and few of them are socially awkward, all of them have had relationships, all of them are normal men over 40, not weak little babies. It's your personal assumption that they are acting this way because they want validation and approval.

It's also your perspective that someone will idolize everyone no matter what they say, it's just not based in reality. It just happens that some people agree with some people, and not with others. It's not because people agree with a SP that they are weak minded and only seeking her approval.. Nobody here is a famous person. If we were influencers or celebrities, I would understand where you're coming from a lot better because parasociality would be involved.