STDs

[Charles2]

We read that STDs are at an all-time high, yet I rarely see any comments about hobbyists catching STDs from Sex Workers and/or Massage therapists.

Have you ever caught anything after a BBBJ, or other exchange of bodily fluids with a sex worker?

I'm interested to know the level of risk other Merb users have experienced.

Charles

 

[wasisname]

Because folks are keen to admit they are disease ridden on a forum. Especially when some escorts use membership and posting history to filter clients and with all the get together activities.

If you want to know the risks, in the health section there is/was a thread that had a link to a calculater which figured out the chance the person you are having the coitus with has something and the odds of passing it on. It covers gay and straight, civie and sex worker.
Other than that do your own google search. The level of ignorence some people on this board have about STDs are staggering both in terms too much and too little fear.

 

[Charles2]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

I've read the research, I'm interested in actual stories, and numbers of responses. That will provide much more interesting information than potentially politically-correct altered statistics.

Imagine if no one responds that they have caught an STD, or if only a very few members respond. What does that tell us about the actual level of risk?

Or, in the opposite case, that hundreds respond.

Did I mistake some portion of your comment, wherein sex-workers could remove comments, thereby hiding negative comments relating to health issues.

I think many Merb hobbyists would be interested in an informal survey such as this.

Charles

 

[wasisname]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

I've read the research, I'm interested in actual stories, and numbers of responses. That will provide much more interesting information than potentially politically-correct altered statistics.

Imagine if no one responds that they have caught an STD, or if only a very few members respond. What does that tell us about the actual level of risk?

Or, in the opposite case, that hundreds respond.

Did I mistake some portion of your comment, wherein sex-workers could remove comments, thereby hiding negative comments relating to health issues.

I think many Merb hobbyists would be interested in an informal survey such as this.

Charles

No, I am saying unless it is anonymous people will self censer to avoid coming across as some sort of disease ridden Quagmire [giggidy].

Also I'd trust proper studies over a very badly designed study of people who may or may not be lying in either direction for that matter and where the sample sized has huge biases that you can't control for. Also you will never get a proper sample size. Your data would be strictly "This one time? At band camp?" level of quality.

I'd go with this one
http://www.stdriskcalculator.com/index.php/calculator

 

[BookerL]

We read that STDs are at an all-time high, yet I rarely see any comments about hobbyists catching STDs from Sex Workers and/or Massage therapists.

Have you ever caught anything after a BBBJ, or other exchange of bodily fluids with a sex worker?

Hi Charles and all

Having been involve in this industry for 20 years ,none my active girls ever reported to me having a STD ,neither my clients complained about catching one ever !The worst was vaginal infections that some ladies do catch from digit or other sources
However it doesn't prove or disprove anything .

Only one of my girls reported having caught gonorrhea but that was before she escorted and she got it from a cheating boyfriend ,which decided her to escort ,needless to say she was curred before escorting


Cheers



Booker

 

[wasisname]

Hi Charles and all

Having been involve in this industry for 20 years ,none my active girls ever reported to me having a STD ,neither my clients complained about catching one ever r

Either they never told you, or you lie.

Italian porn star Rocco Siffredi said: 'Let me tell you a secret: in this business everybody has herpes, myself included. Every professional in the porn-world has herpes, male or female. It's the smallest thing you can get, it's really nothing serious.'

I doubt prostitution is any different. If anything you probably get more exposures in a week. Unless you are doing a gangbang, in porn I doubt you get more than one person a day if you happen to get a shoot.

 

[BookerL]

Either they never told you, or you lie.

Reading a echo

Having been involve in this industry for 20 years ,none my active girls ever reported to me having a STD ,

Italian porn star Rocco Siffredi said: 'Let me tell you a secret: in this business everybody has herpes, myself included. Every professional in the porn-world has herpes, male or female. It's the smallest thing you can get, it's really nothing serious.'

Their is a major difference between escorting and porn ,its called a condom and further more in porn the male participant well its is job and he most of the time needs the money ,clients are not called clients for nothing !

I doubt prostitution is any different. If anything you probably get more exposures in a week. Unless you are doing a gangbang, in porn I doubt you get more than one person a day if you happen to get a shoot.

But you can ask active bookers the answer may vary

However it doesn't prove or disprove anything .

Additionally from what I know from other bookers that suspected that one of their SP might of had a STD ,they left the industry without telling so it might STDs or not just the scare of it !
I never met one single girl that told me ,I am really looking forward to catch a STD .
But then again maybe ,I wasn't a booker long enough?
After thousands and thousands of calls and different SP's

Or I lie just for the fun of it!

or you lie. .

:lol:

Cheers

be

Booker

 

[wasisname]

Their is a major difference between escorting and porn ,its called a condom and further more in porn the male participant well its is job and he most of the time needs the money ,clients are not called clients for nothing !

You might want to look up what condoms protect against and what they are only partly protective against. Also interesting you worked with girls who used a condom for all activties, no BBBJ.

Also if your point is that they never told you anything, how does that add anything to the conversation on STD list. Nothing. In the context of the thread your comment is clearly intended to minimize the risks of STD transmission, as that is what we are talking about. Usually if someone says, is something likely to happen and someone says, well I never heard of it the implication is that it is at least somewhat safe.


Anyways, I was right. One of my two options is correct.

 

[BookerL]

You might want to look up what condoms protect against and what they are only partly protective against. Also interesting you worked with girls who used a condom for all activties, no BBBJ.

Also if your point is that they never told you anything, how does that add anything to the conversation on STD list. Nothing. In the context of the thread your comment is clearly intended to minimize the risks of STD transmission, as that is what we are talking about. Usually if someone says, is something likely to happen and someone says, well I never heard of it the implication is that it is at least somewhat safe.


Anyways, I was right. One of my two options is correct.

Maybe you are not aware but BBBJ is a YMMV service ,if the SP was detecting abnormal situations she was ether refusing the service, the client for a complete service ,some customers accepted HJ only and sucking nipples .
What I am relaying is my personal experience as a booker I am certainly not saying their is no risk, STD are serious they can kill !

But in the sex industry their is Porn ,escorts and strippers girls working in the 3 different field have different mentalities.

Also if your point is that they never told you anything, how does that add anything to the conversation on STD list.

Maybe you should read my original post ,I have never said that none of my girls never got sick ,but when they did ,I was a responsible Booker I brought them to a clinic or hospital emergency luckily the worst was

!The worst was vaginal infections that some ladies do catch from digit or other sources

Sexual activity are risky ,either from a escort or someone you pick up in bars or wherever ,the world isn't disease free



Cheers


Booker

 

[Doc Holliday]

after having spoken to a few sp's on the subject. The majority of men who hobby fall in 2 categories. Single and can't pick up women on their own.

There are other categories you failed to mention. For example, single men who are too lazy to socialize or don't give a shit about dating. And, men who's profession (long work hours, etc) prevents them from socializing much. Another one: men who can easily afford to pay an escort to satisfy their sexual and/or social needs. If you got the money to afford easy pussy, why not do it? It's all good, i say.

As for the question the initial poster asked, i personally have never caught an std (as far as i know) from an escort. I've been getting tested annually over the past 15 years and have always come out std free (knock on wood!). But yes, i have heard of hobbyists catching std's simply from a blow job. Also, if you ever suspect that an sp or any sex partner may have genital herpes, i'd be vigilant about performing daty.

 

[BookerL]

True. 90% of the world has the herpes virus. I think it's the most successful human virus and it's not even part of a regular STD screening exam because it's so widespread. For most the virus remains dormant and never becomes a problem. Otherwise it present as cold sores. Chickenpox is also a relative of the virus.

Hi taylor19

Would very interested how you apply those enormous stats on the Montreal escort scene .
If 90% of the escorts has it ,its unavoidable and also is in regular dating ,also means lots of people or hiding important and relevant health facts ?

90%


Cheers



Booker

 

[gugu]

it's not even part of a regular STD screening exam because it's so widespread.

I think the reason has more to do with the costs of the test. As for the prevalence of HSV2, more closely associated with genital herpes, it's 16% worldwide and 13% in Canada in 2013 according to Statcan.

 

[wasisname]

Most people have it..It's just dormant ..meaning you cannot catch it or spread it..

As I understand it, you can still shed and thus can transmit without an active outbreak.

I think the reason has more to do with the costs of the test. As for the prevalence of HSV2, more closely associated with genital herpes, it's 16% worldwide and 13% in Canada in 2013 according to Statcan.

Oral is near universal. Genital as you say is less. However the prevalence of HSV2 varies a lot from population to population.

According to the wikipedia article it goes from barely over 10 percent for white americans to almost 40 for blacks.
From 4% for 1 parter to about 25% for over 10 partners.

In New York
he new study suggests that genital herpes is more common in New York City than nationally (26% of adults versus 19%). Among New Yorkers, the rate is higher among women than men (36% versus 19%), higher among blacks than whites (49% versus 14%), and higher among men who have sex with men than those who don’t (32% versus 18%). This is the first measurement of New York City’s infection rate, but the national rate has declined in recent years.

If you extrapulate from that, Rocco Siffredi 's comments [I assume he is talking about the genital herpes] ring true.

 

[wasisname]

Anyway second disclaimer...I'm NOT a doctor!

Have you ever played one on TV or stayed at a Best Western?

 

[wasisname]

Only the Holiday Inn Express I'm afraid....

How about that, I remembered it wrong. I hang my head in shame.

 

[BookerL]

According to the wikipedia article it goes from barely over 10 percent for white americans to almost 40 for blacks.
From 4% for 1 parter to about 25% for over 10 partners.

In New York
he new study suggests that genital herpes is more common in New York City than nationally (26% of adults versus 19%). Among New Yorkers, the rate is higher among women than men (36% versus 19%), higher among blacks than whites (49% versus 14%), and higher among men who have sex with men than those who don’t (32% versus 18%). This is the first measurement of New York City’s infection rate, but the national rate has declined in recent years.

If you extrapulate from that, Rocco Siffredi 's comments [I assume he is talking about the genital herpes] ring true.

Hello

Well I guess the conclusion !Don't go in New-York for SP hunting !

And to extrapolate from a American study to apply it in the Montreal market ?

Cheers



Booker

 

[gugu]

Not that I know about the prevalence in Montréal among sex workers, however, I would assume that considering the probable pattern of condom use, systematic with clients, less so with others, chances are they would catch it outside sex work. So assuming less std because protection is higher in sex work would be wrong.

 

[wasisname]

Hello

Well I guess the conclusion !Don't go in New-York for SP hunting !

And to extrapolate from a American study to apply it in the Montreal market ?

Cheers



Booker

Actually I was extrapulating from the US to porn which BTW is american dominated.

I was simply pointing out that behavior effects how common the disease is. If the rates can get that high among the black NYC community which includes everything from the most sluty to the save yourself for marrage crowd how high must it be for people who have sex with often 20 partners a week, many of whom are seeing others in the same industy.


I am not sure if you just don't have the ability to understand or if you just refuse to understand because you think this is some competitive sport. It is a pattern I've noticed with you.

 

[BookerL]

Actually I was extrapulating from the US to porn which BTW is american dominated.

I was simply pointing out that behavior effects how common the disease is. If the rates can get that high among the black NYC community which includes everything from the most sluty to the save yourself for marrage crowd how high must it be for people who have sex with often 20 partners a week, many of whom are seeing others in the same industy.

I read each and every post you made in this thread topic ,I do agree that their is a risk factor however to extrapolate ,from the city of New -York and apply on the Montreal seen might a little exaggerated .A 40 % ratio his ultimately very high and would be very difficult to hide to the girls you are hiring as escorts and also many girls would be quitting rapidly after being diagnose with a STD unless ,you are also pretending that everyone is lying
In 20 years ,I did have any girls reporting a STD to me ,neither a client ,I do believe that the client would have the tendency to be mad if it would happen .
But I am not pretending it is safe ,all necessary precautions must be taken to avoid the worst

I am not sure if you just don't have the ability to understand or if you just refuse to understand because you think this is some competitive sport. It is a pattern I've noticed with you.

Fortunately the site operators do have a disclaimer about things that are written ,maybe you should too!LOL


Cheers


Booker

 

[Garotalover]

I don't know about Canada but in the U.S. we have a Centers for Disease Control (CDC) which looks at all things STD and publishes statistics on the same. Here is a link. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-110-million-stds-among-us-men-and-women/ As mentioned above Herpes and HPV are asymptomatic in a lot of cases.

Also, just a thought for query: Wouldn't SP's be expected to have a higher rate of STDs since they are typically very hot and young and would probably be having a lot more sex in their personal lives with boyfriends, hook-ups, etc. than the average chick, or average John, like me who hasn't had a sexual encounter outside the hobby for over 10 years. Just wondering.