That's because we're the poorest city of the four (literally. It's not a joke)
Is “this” for rich people only?
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That's when you are only thinking only about revenues. Not expenses.
Living costs in Vancouver or Toronto are higher. (literally not a joke)
Before the pandemic, I could afford to have a regular indy from Indy Companion. At that time the average indy rate was not much higher than the agency rates. Now they're much higher (almost double in many cases). That places them squarely in the category "luxury service". As to the question: why are some people willing to pay more? Well, like all luxury products or services the answer comes down to having an impression of exclusivity and prestige, which is largely a product of marketing.
I think we are confusing the terminology of luxury. In this context, anything that is not a necessity (ie food, housing, taxes etc) is a luxury, and not defined by the actual cost of item/service. So things like eating out, vacations, and yes even hobbying, is spent with our discretionary/entertainment budget, and thus is a luxury, even if some of us feel like it's a necessity of life... lol
Rates depend more on the cost of living of the city. Toronto typical 3 1/2 apartments are going for $2400 a month. Rates will be higher where the cost of living is higher.
The clients I was referring to were born here and aren’t from Asian/middle eastern backgrounds. They’re quebecois; white and black.
I think they just live with parents or roommate so they don’t spend as much on rent and bills.
We charge more when we are out of town because we have to factor in transportation & other accommodations.
Saving money and not booking every week or month. But they normally book longer dates so it’s definitely not a frequent thing.
That is not at all what I expected, especially the choice of longer dates. Interesting, and thanks for sharing.
I speak as someone who is still in the "dipping my toes" phase of the hobby.
I think that SWs, as anything that is not a necessity, are a luxury.
Some are less glamorous than others but the same goes for any luxury.
Anyone can save up for SWs. Some people need to go more out of their way and/or more time to do so, going as far as cutting into necessities at some point.
Personally I am fortunate enough that I don't really need to watch my spending too much(within reason), but that freedom of mind also means I need to space out larger expenses like SWs. That's fine with me but I'd definitely do well with a bigger budget. I'd visit SWs more often to find some I vibe with more and also vary my practices.
I'm here to try out new things my girlfriend isn't ready for so I don't need it very often even if I theoretically could.
I think that SWs, as anything that is not a necessity, are a luxury.
Some are less glamorous than others but the same goes for any luxury.
Anyone can save up for SWs. Some people need to go more out of their way and/or more time to do so, going as far as cutting into necessities at some point.
Personally I am fortunate enough that I don't really need to watch my spending too much(within reason), but that freedom of mind also means I need to space out larger expenses like SWs. That's fine with me but I'd definitely do well with a bigger budget. I'd visit SWs more often to find some I vibe with more and also vary my practices.
I'm here to try out new things my girlfriend isn't ready for so I don't need it very often even if I theoretically could.
To answer first and second question, i feel this business is still affordable for anyone but mostly if you stick to agencies (in general). Since 2022 we had huge inflation wich was more than our salaries raises. So right away life became more costly. Obviously we were all expecting a raise in prices for escorts. Agencies have in most part raise a bit their rates since pre-covid but mostly by 20-30$, wich is FAIR. Indies have raise their rates in some cases by 50% (exemple from 400 to 600). That said for the first time in a while i see some indies (and of course not gonna mention names) lower back said rates, wich is something you wouldn't had seen a few years ago. In MY personal case, pre-covid and such i considered 400 the absolute most i would pay and it would be once in a rare while for a special lady. Now i could push it to 500. I don't feel (again MY opinion) that its worth it to go to 600 per hour on both my situation + all the other choices i have. Obviously the way for "general acceptance" is always to push an inch at a time, not a foot.
Lets go with Covid stuff for instance. I don't want to start a debate on this, im just using it as its the first exemple that came to mind. But if all restrictions would had been put at the same time, im convince peoples wouldn't had agreed to it. But since it was all done gradually, they kept pushing and pushing and most peoples accepted it because they were already used to the rest. So in the case that interest us here, escorting, i feel when all escorts raise their rates by 100$ once every 2-3 years, its mostly accepted by the clients of that bracket. (Guys who see indies exclusively or mostly). But if they jump from 400 to 600 in a year or less, or even more if its only a small % of them, i feel this acceptance is not as much there. That said im not an economist or a human ressources person, im only providing my personal unprofessional take on it.
I can't speak for Montreal because i do live there, but if using my region, you can overall find something suitable for under 600$, we talking 4 1/2 and more depending on specific town. I usually eat for about 150$ per 2 weeks + 1 or 2 resto usually. Thats me alone, no kids no GF and im not a cook, so lots of easy to make meals (frozen meals, beef, chicken breasts etc). With the average salary, i think its still reasonable, depending on what you do for hobbies or such, to see an SP from an agency once or twice per month, depending obviously what is your job, your expenses etc. But its obviously a case by case.
As for questions 3 and 4, obviously i wish i had a bigger budget lol. But life is life. And no i don't wonder how peoples pay for this, because there is so many factors at play. I communicate with a dude on reddit who sees about 10 escorts a month and he is in the US and see mostly pornstars, IG models and such. We talking 3 grands per meeting at least. Dude has a lot of cash. But he told me pretty much every $ he can spend he put on this business, but his meetings are pretty much all dinner dates and sometimes taking the model to shopping. So thats his hobby entirely kinda. He is happy that way.
I know a lot of gamers who spend 300$ a month on video games, and they ain't rich... Thats not more than 1 sp in agency... Myself in March i put close to 200$ just on WWE 2K24. I VERY VERY rarely buy games on release anymore due to multiple reasons (buggy launches, huge backlog etc) but this one, since its a game ill play a ton of and its mostly relevant while its new, i wanted it. Will likely be 1 of only 2 games i buy full price this year. Maybe even the only 1. But thats me. I don't care much for the hype/buzz of new releases. I play stuff in my backlog and when i see a sale for 10$ on a game that interest me, i buy. Where im going with this gaming stuff is just to say every hobbies can be expensive depending on how you approach it.
Same for movie lovers. My movie theatre movies rarely cost me anything because i do my grocery at IGA and rack Scene+ points. I pay Netflix and Amazon Prime and thats a whooping 23$. I only often buy movies these days. But i know peoples from facebook groups that put 40-50$ regulary on 4k steel books etc. I personally don't care about that. So to each their own lol.
@ArtIsLife I really think you should leave the explicit parts out. I don’t think they would appreciate knowing that you shared that on here.
This hobby isn't just for people with a lot of money. While having money means you can buy more experiences and time, there are affordable options too. Some providers offer quick 15 minutes visits for $80 or $100, and you might even find services like Greek included in that price. Having more money lets you choose exactly who you want to see, get the services you're looking for, and spend more time with them or see them more often.
But you don't have to be rich to enjoy this hobby. I'm fairly new to it, having started less than a year ago. I've tried various options, from budget-friendly listings and agencies to spas, and recently I've been seeing what may be classified as expensive independent providers. As for health concerns, being smart and cautious is key. Don't pay extra for risky services, get tested regularly, and you should be fine regardless of which class of providers you see. If you're on a tight budget, you might want save up for someone more expensive, or if you're okay with it, there are plenty of less expensive options too. There's someone for everyone, just make sure to think with the right head. Remember, this is a premium service and not free, but if you can budget properly then you should be fine.
But you don't have to be rich to enjoy this hobby. I'm fairly new to it, having started less than a year ago. I've tried various options, from budget-friendly listings and agencies to spas, and recently I've been seeing what may be classified as expensive independent providers. As for health concerns, being smart and cautious is key. Don't pay extra for risky services, get tested regularly, and you should be fine regardless of which class of providers you see. If you're on a tight budget, you might want save up for someone more expensive, or if you're okay with it, there are plenty of less expensive options too. There's someone for everyone, just make sure to think with the right head. Remember, this is a premium service and not free, but if you can budget properly then you should be fine.
I wish my Canadian currency was the same as us currency,I see less Sp not because of the money but because it is basically the same services I m choosing and being more careful,it is a luxury or a hobby,just like golf you could spend a lot !!!
You are right, I deleted that entire post.
To distill the essence of that post.
There are certainly girls and experiences that are reserved for rich people. For a variety of reasons. One of them actually being the girls themselves and that they choose to only cater to this target audience.
On the other hand, you can easily find an Asian MILF here in Montreal that will provide full service for 120$/30min. The market in Toronto is so flooded, prices have dropped as low as 80$/30min in some cases. It's difficult to imagine how that could possibly be something that's intended for rich people.
So as with most things, the answer is "it depends". Even historically, sex work was always available to most demographics, from truck drivers to somebody owning a company employing hundreds of truck drivers, and everybody in between, to give one example.
Or if you look to China, to bring up an international example, there is a huge market for sex workers that cater to factory workers. In short, they're basically waiting in line to be picked up by workers at the factory exit when they finished their shift to take them to a room for 30 minutes. Clearly something for the average guy, or more like for everybody actually, from the guy on the assembly line, to the foreman, managers, and so on.
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Wait, what? I did not realize that such offers exist in Canada.
Check out the reviews I've written. There are still about 20 or so reviews that I haven't shared yet. And yes, these options do exist in the greater Montreal area. In this industry, the price often, but not always, reflects quality.
15 mn greek included??? No warm up? Just a quick spit and lube and there you go? LOL
What a trooper
15 mn greek included??? No warm up? Just a quick spit and lube and there you go? LOL
What a trooper
For health considerations, I avoid preliminary (kissing, DATY/DATO and if they are very cheap BBBJ) with providers who see a high volume of clients at lower rates. The increased client turnover could mean interacting with people who may not prioritize their health, and it's uncertain how frequently such providers undergo health screenings.
But yes, put the condom on, apply lube to the condom, and then in you go.
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