Au minimum quelques phrases ... ils devraient avoir ce pré-requis pour s'établir ici ... même si ils ne viennent que pour quelques années ... ça serait une belle démonstration de respect envers nous!
STM bus driver refuses to speak English to passenger, calls police
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Au minimum quelques phrases ... ils devraient avoir ce pré-requis pour s'établir ici ... même si ils ne viennent que pour quelques années ... ça serait une belle démonstration de respect envers nous!
En plein ca Véro, une question de respect, les anglophones ont l'impression que le monde tournent autour d'eux.
Quand on visite la France, on parle francais, quand on visite le Portugal, on parle potuguais ainsi de suite, plusieurs pays ont emboité le pas quand a la préservation de leur langue, les états unis étant un de ceux la...surprenant non ?
This guy was trying to push somebody's buttons. If the driver did not have the time, all he had to do was ask someone else sitting on the bus. There are plenty of people in Montreal who know English. They may be bi-lingual or mostly English. I know that there are anglophones who forgot most of the French that they learned in school.
Hopefully, this guy will learn French while studying in Montreal. The worst thing you can do as a visitor, whether student or tourist, is to agitate the natives. It is rude and it's not being a nice visitor. Insisting that they answer you in a language that you understatnd and they don't is one way of agitating someone.
When I ask for directions and I see that the person I asked is having a hard time answering me in English, I say "Merci" and I apologize (Je fais des excuses).and move on. It is the civil thing to do.
Hopefully, this guy will learn French while studying in Montreal. The worst thing you can do as a visitor, whether student or tourist, is to agitate the natives. It is rude and it's not being a nice visitor. Insisting that they answer you in a language that you understatnd and they don't is one way of agitating someone.
When I ask for directions and I see that the person I asked is having a hard time answering me in English, I say "Merci" and I apologize (Je fais des excuses).and move on. It is the civil thing to do.
Justement nous sommes syndiqués, pour nous protéger de personnes comme vous, qui font des plaintes parfois justifiées, souvent pour un oui ou pour un non....
Actually, this happened inf ront of me....couple of months ago, an american couple also was asking the bus driver and it was a she....and she refused to speak in english....I had to translate to them what she said, since it happenend in front of me
I have a lot of other stories of racism that I had experienced here...unfortunalty, it is not something that poeple don't know....it was been there and will stay there....
Racism is everywhere , in all cultures...but Canada is made of immigrants and mix of cultures so racism should be the least...unfortunatly it is not
Regards to all
I have a lot of other stories of racism that I had experienced here...unfortunalty, it is not something that poeple don't know....it was been there and will stay there....
Racism is everywhere , in all cultures...but Canada is made of immigrants and mix of cultures so racism should be the least...unfortunatly it is not
Regards to all
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Faut juste faire attention de ne pas généraliser....J'ai rencontré lors de mes voyages des torontois plus nationaliste-québecois^soucieux de préserver le fait français que certains québecois de la ville de Québec...et des américains plus tolérants et ouverts d'esprits que des je ne sais pas..disons des hollandais d'Amsterdam! On ne connait pas encore l'histoire complète en passant...
Mais comme je disais ds mon post en anglais...il n'y a aucune excuse pour quelqu'un qui vient ici...surtout étudier (même à Mcgill, Concordia ou Bishop...), de ne pas baraguiner (tenter de parler pour ceux qui utilisent google translation...) quelques mots en français...Mais bon...attendons de voir..
Faut juste faire attention de ne pas généraliser....J'ai rencontré lors de mes voyages des torontois plus nationaliste-québecois^soucieux de préserver le fait français que certains québecois de la ville de Québec...et des américains plus tolérants et ouverts d'esprits que des je ne sais pas..disons des hollandais d'Amsterdam! On ne connait pas encore l'histoire complète en passant...
Mais comme je disais ds mon post en anglais...il n'y a aucune excuse pour quelqu'un qui vient ici...surtout étudier (même à Mcgill, Concordia ou Bishop...), de ne pas baraguiner (tenter de parler pour ceux qui utilisent google translation...) quelques mots en français...Mais bon...attendons de voir..
When I first heard the story my immediate first thought was that the bus driver was non other than our beloved Mazingerz but that thought was quickly put to rest once I found out that the driver was a lady.
Eh whoah la!! Attends une 'tite minute, vous proteger de personnes comme VOUS (et par ce vous, je lis cela pour un MOI, vrai?) Est-ce que je me trompes, alors, MEU-sieur? Que vous avez en fait une administration en pouvoir de punir les travailleurs du service de transit qui démontrent une sale attitude envers le public\clients, qui se pensent Michael Schumacher au volant de leur Novabus et par conséquence mettent en danger la vie de leur passagers?
C'est drole, mais cela m'est arrivé plus qu'une fois dans ma vie de passager de voir et de vivre l'expérience avec ces "merveilleux spécimens", pour me faire dire catégoriquement par les haut-placés qu'il n'y avait rien a faire car le syndicat allait contrer tout attentat a la réprimande. Meme quelques connaissances parmi les employés de la STM m'ont dit vraisemblablement la meme chose....
C'est drole ou on en est, quand meme le corps de police est plus surveillé et corrigé que les employés du transport en commun...
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Don't agree with me on that because I never said it. What I said is that anyone who works in Montreal for any branch of the government, municipal, or provincial or federal, and who deals with the public on a daily basis as part of their job, should be bilingual. I really don't give a damn if someone in a dep or any other business refuses to speak to me in my language of choice because I'll just take my money elsewhere. But when jobs deal with public safety, and yes...a bus driver or metro employee is responsible for the safety of transit users, they should be required to be bilingual. Especially when our tax money is paying their salary.
I fail to see how anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence can disagree with that.
Considering how much of our taxdollars they are being paid, if they don't like the requirements they can find themselves another job that, if they are lucky, will pay them half as much.
You'd probably have less trouble finding a bus driver in Tokyo that is willing to speak English than you will in Montreal.
I would bet you anything that if mass transit was privatized, these problems would vanish overnight.
Bucky said:
So then I guess if you don't know how to speak a language you shouldn't visit that country then.
Or maybe you should take language courses for each country you visit. Maybe we should take out some tourist ads in major American newspapers to tell American tourists that we aren't interested in any of their money if they can't speak French. Or why don't we make everyone crossing the border into Quebec take language tests, you don't pass - you don't get in, so that some bus driver or ticket taker doesn't feel insulted.But you're right, it is a question of respect...respect for the customer who is spending their money. And that is something that is sorely lacking in the transit system and has been for a very long time.
who knows if this guy was not really agressive?? Maybe he called her a bitch like you just did
What are you getting angry about I didn't say it to you and maybe he's new in this country and doesnt know the language well like most new immigrants.
Your probably right theyll probably let her off the hook I mean thats what they would do because in there eyes its the right thing bullshit.
Is this a joke?
I knew that Cairo was a famous place to learn Islam but Montreal... OMG!
Or maybe it's a joint program with the department of chemistry at Mc Gill.
Or he's just another cockroach whose intention is to sue the STM to make money out of Montreal's tax payers (STM is subsidized by the City), like his friends Omar Kader and Suaad Hagi Mohamud.
I still don't understand why the majority of our fellow citizens absolutely want Canada to become a muslim country ...
Is this a joke or this asshole really came in our Province to learn the Coran
I knew that Cairo was a famous place to learn Islam but Montreal... OMG!
Or maybe it's a joint program with the department of chemistry at Mc Gill
.Or he's just another cockroach whose intention is to sue the STM to make money out of Montreal's tax payers (STM is subsidized by the City), like his friends Omar Kader and Suaad Hagi Mohamud.
I still don't understand why the majority of our fellow citizens absolutely want Canada to become a muslim country ...
Here you had a clash of two cultures. A Quebec woman and an Islamic man. Both are impossible to deal with.
Here you had a clash of two cultures. A Quebec woman and an Islamic man. Both are impossible to deal with.
lol, MM
Seriously, though:
I think that incidents such as these are excuses for those on both sides of the perpetual language debate to get on their soap boxes. What do we have here? A grand total of one bus driver and one passenger. If the MTCN administration forbade their personnel from speaking English or a majority of non francophones refused to speak French, we have a problem. Neither is the case.
i agree that a problem, but in fact the first language is french everybody should know the basic , i know some english im not a perfect biligual but i try to learn it , example go to the state and try to speak french or try any other country you will be able to get anser we adult we have to make step foward so if every do it than it should be easy for every one to understand each other , everybody have to make an effort!!! , it my opinion
Voila ce que je fais au travail, quand un anglo me pose une question et bien je lui réponds en français et je dirais qu'a 80% des fois, il semble comprendre un faible pourcentage semble ne pas comprendre, ou ne pas vouloir comprendre, alors pourquoi ne pas demander la question en français, quand la personne se donne la peine de me parler en français, même tout croche, ben moi je félicite ce geste et je m'efforce de bien lui répondre, même lui écrire les renseignements sur un bout de papier, mais comme je l'ai dit auparavant, le français est la langue de travail au Québec et ca, bien des gens ne le comprennent pas.
Pankake, pour ton info il y a quelques états qui ont voté des lois pour proteger l'anglais comme langue du travail, comme le Texas et la Californie. Imagine l'anglais a besoin de protection aux USA, que dire du français au Québec. Le francais est la langue de l'amour non ? Et me semble que les québécoises franco, sont les plus ''ouvertes''...je me trompe ?
Allez lire cet article paru dans La Presse, ca vous donne un petit avant gout de la vie en bas: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/dossiers/...06/01-833901-dans-la-loge-vie-de-changeur.php
That may be the case but I doubt people are gonna hate on you for not speaking their language or call the police. This whole story is so absurd. There are many tourists coming to Montreal and we cannot expect them to speak French they may be Americans or people from other parts of Canada. I believe drivers driving the routes in the downtown Montreal should be required to have some level of English. Preserving a language does not have to mean to hate on another language which is more often the case in Montreal.
Really
? So you are telling me that if you go to Portugal you speak Portuguese or if you go to China you speak Cantonese or Mandarin? Do you realize how silly you sound? Let me ask you do you speak Portuguese? I doubt by the sounds of your comments .That may be the case but I doubt people are gonna hate on you for not speaking their language or call the police. This whole story is so absurd. There are many tourists coming to Montreal and we cannot expect them to speak French they may be Americans or people from other parts of Canada. I believe drivers driving the routes in the downtown Montreal should be required to have some level of English. Preserving a language does not have to mean to hate on another language which is more often the case in Montreal.
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