The Biden Versus Palin Vice-Presidential Debate: Who Won and Why?

[rumpleforeskiin]

I wasn't aware he was convicted of fraud or taking bribes (or is that only on this board).

McCain was never charged or convicted by a court. He was censured by his colleagues in the Senate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_five

 

[beautydigger]

“US dailies on Friday differed sharply in scoring the debate suggesting that neither candidate clearly won over public opinion”. But, as most intellectuals know the media has a liberal bias, that would mean Palin won, and Biden looked very weak.
Word on the street is Palin is carrying the ticket and a lot of people might even wish McCain does croke just so she can become president.

 

[Ben Dover]

Biden clearly won the debate.

Palin was better than a lot of people thought she'd be, myself included, but she is still a poor excuse for a VP candidate.

Biden was very comfortable on the stage. He appeared to answer all questions honestly and passionately and he expressed himself as a statesman, but also as a human being. I found that MANY of his comments resonated with me and that he did an excellent job portaying himself as someone that stands for honest leadership.

Palin, as I said, was a better speaker than I expected after her series of train wreck interviews and statements the last few weeks. However, she was obviously and severly out of her league. Many of her answers and her little quips (say it ain't so Joe, for example) came across as canned and memorized. Her inability (read: unwillingness) to answer several direct questions was pathetic. And you could almost feel her begging to be accepted by "regular people" with her over-pronounced accent and her use of words like "goshdarnit"... I would also like to see a count, but by the end I was cursing her use of the word "maverick"... She must have said it 20 times. If she was such a maverick, she would have spoken her mind more and not stuck the script that her handlers crafted based on polls, fuzzy math, and talking points. And, if McCain was a maverick he would not have voted with GW Bush 96% of the time over the last 8 years. I also found it highly annoying and symptomatic of the Republican campaign the way that she would bash Obama for certain votes --- where McCain voted the exact same way!! Talk about doublespeak!!

Overall:
Palin might be a great VP for some future president (McCain will be long dead by then) but she's not ready today and she's not going to be ready in November. If I had any doubts about this before, the VP debate confirmed that this is truly the case. Biden proved that he is the man for the job and quite capable of stepping in as a highly competant president should anything happen to Obama. Also, it's clear that Obama will actually value Biden's advice, while McCain is just using Palin (assuming it's not backfiring!!) to get the white house. McCain has about as much use for Palin's advice as a fish has for a bicycle..

Either way, I'm still glad to live in Canada

BD

 

[Ben Dover]

not so sure about #4 Maxima...



BD

 

[Doc Holliday]

Ahhhhh... It's rather obvious that Palin has extremely limited grasp on issues and that before her nomination on the ticket, she hadn't spent one minute of her entire life thinking about important national and international issues . But hey, she connects with the people! JoeSixpack power!

I find this love of mediocrity and distrust for knowledge and intelligence fascinating.

Palin couldn't even name a single magazine she read when asked by Couric. Not a single one!!

Half of America has had a fascination with morons & incompetence when it comes to their elected officials & this hasn't been more obvious than the past 8 years when they twice elected that idiot George W. Bush to office. Their fascination for Sarah Palin also proves that they haven't changed one bit. For god's sakes, she's George W. Bush dressed in drag!!

Hey, Beautydigger....you should consider running for office. You actually might have a chance to get in!

 

[Doc Holliday]

I think it is important to discuss the issues, not the personalities. I greatly admire McCain but disagree with his party. Sarah Palin could be my sister or a member of my family (uh - we are not qualified to run the country!!!) I feel Obama has the dynamism and leadership to restore the US to preeminence.

Now you're talking!! Welcome on board!

p.s. No apology is needed for your prior posts where we disagreed. You're entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else, myself included.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Biden clearly won the debate.

Palin was better than a lot of people thought she'd be, myself included, but she is still a poor excuse for a VP candidate.

I agree with everything you wrote in your post, and i'd like to add that the reason many expected Biden to destroy Palin or expect her to self-implode was due to the fact many were under the impression that both debaters would be allowed to directly throw questions & answers at one another, like they had seen in past debates. Sure, they could indirectly answer one another's questions, but it was through the moderator & didn't or wouldn't have the same effect.

I also was quite annoyed when she'd ignore the hard questions & go back to her comfort level, which was to repeat the same 'Maverick' b.s. & Obama will raise taxes for the middle class & i'm a hockey mom, & i know energy, etc. The moderator should have pressed her to answer the questions & not let her go off-topic so many times when the heat was on. If so, we would have seen the Sarah Palin that we've been seeing in tv interviews over the past couple of weeks. As for last night's moderator, she did a much better job than her PBS counterpart Jim Lehrer, in my opinion. But it is true that the two debaters last night were considerably more interesting than John McCain, who litterally puts me to sleep everytime he talks/opens his mouth & tells another lie.

 

[rollingstone]

I don't think anyone has linked this yet, Palin's debate "flow chart"

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg

 

[Ben Dover]

I thought Biden came across as very weak. His “choke-up” moment really shows the pussy he is if it were sincere.

Yeah... I mean it's not like his 1-year old baby and his wife died in a horrific car accident or anything. If he was a real man he would have laughed about it and blamed the democrats like Beautydigger.

He was supposed to destroy Palin, didn’t even come close.

According to who? Not according to any liberal-biased media outlet that you would ever listen to.... right? Are you saying you bought into MSNBC's pre-debate predictions? Then again, acording to just about EVERYONE he beat her decisively. Her ass looked better, but that was about it.

I didn’t like his shit eating grin when Palin would get him on the ropes.

When you eat shit, how does your facial expression differ from Biden's? Considering all the shit Palin was feeding to him and to the entire american public, it's wonder he could smile at all. I don't recall Palin ever getting him on the ropes, when was that exactly? When she used the lame duck programmed soundbite "Say it ain't so Joe"???

Biden lost because he was weak. But what is new, he is a liberal man, all feelings and no balls.

I'm pretty sure he has 2 more balls than Sara Palin, unless you are keeping some information to yourself that you should be sharing with the group.

LOL sucka

BD

 

[Agrippa]

Poll

This one is for you beautydigger: http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j30/fjf314/fox_news_poll.jpg

Currently, with 333,688 votes, it's
Biden 53%
Palin 47%

Apparently FOX is now part of the 'liberal media' cabal... or maybe its viewers stopped drinking the Kool-Aid...

 

[korbel]

My dear yankee friend, you had to bring W. in the discussion. Let me ask you this question: are you aware of the '77 year' rule?

I bet you are not. Here it is:
Every 77 years, the US gets a great president. First came Washington. 77 years later came Lincoln. 77 years later came Theodore Roosevelt. 77 years after him, guess who was the president??

Yes, that's right G.W. Bush, the man himself.

I find sad that foreigners like myself care about this country more than its citizens. No wonder why the librats are against immigration.

LOL Centaurus,

Boy...you really need to check some history as well as your math as you failed both soooooooooo DAMN BADLY. Theodore Roosevelt was president from 1901-1909. So either you add 77 years and come up with Reagan in 1986 if you add 77 to 1909. If you add 77 to 1901 you come up with Carter in 1978. But I really can't emphasize this strongly enough. If you think Bush should be mentioned in the same league as Lincoln, no matter how bad your history and math are, you have annihilated your credibility to TOTAL ZERO! And,T. Roosevelt becomes President in 1901 when McKinley was shot very shortly after being elected. That's only 40 years after Lincoln took office in 1861.

Let's see, if you start the 77 year rule from the year Washington took office in 1789, plus 77 would be 1866 with Andrew Johnson. Plus 77 from 1866 would be 1943 with F. D. Roosevelt. Plus 77 would be 2020, obviously no one. So if there is some alleged "77 year rule" you really SUCK at it. Really Centaurus...put this nonsense where it belongs.

TRASH!

Korbel

 

[shijak]

Sorry, we don’t want a health care system like yours, we can’t cross the border for better care when told it will take 3 months. Biden voted the same as McCain on the war, until he was vetted for VP. O’l hair plugs didn’t connect with the people, and that is what counts

I've been following this thread for it's almost unending supply of laughs (oddly enough, almost all from the pen of a certain poster...), But this last bit I couldn't let it by without a rebuttal:

Since the 70's when universal healthcare was instituted in Canada, why did the system work fine for over 20 years but now finds itself under strain recently? answer is an aging population requiring the services of a number of medical professionals, while said number of very qualified individuals dwindles yearly due to the poaching practices of a certain neighbouring country that has also had a population explosion, and unrestricted salary possibilities-- We also must consider the warmer climate in that country's lower half as an enticement.

Canada's current period of economic transition is also a major factor: what was different in the mid-70's compared to today? Economic conditions were more favourable in rural areas and smaller towns for its population stability, thus keeping a controllable doctor/patient-potential patient ratio. So because of a major economic shift in rural areas, there has been a massive exodus towards Canada's industrial centers which explains longer waiting times in certain hospitals...

And BD, we've gone over this point before, you and I, that although waiting times have increased in those hospitals from the major metropolises (that would likely include Montreal and Quebec city to you), other hospitals have NOT displayed as harsh a problem.

Now yes, funding also comes into play for Montreal-area hospitals, or shall we say lack of funding, but again this all ties in to Quebec's rapidly aging population (the baby-boomers) and their long-held stranglehold on funding for every facet of society: watch as the blue-collar workers fight the police force, the fire department throws down against the bureaucrats, the doctors/nurses have a cage match versus everybody else...EVERYBODY wants more than their share of what's available and not one of them is willing to budge...

National healthcare IS a righteous system that would most likely work just fine in the States, with its proportion of 300 million inhabitants (sorry I forget just now how many people live there) as opposed to our paltry 30 million where the system is working overtime to pamper 30-40% of its population that are reaching their twilight years...

 

[shijak]

My dear yankee friend, you had to bring W. in the discussion. Let me ask you this question: are you aware of the '77 year' rule?

I bet you are not. Here it is:
Every 77 years, the US gets a great president. First came Washington. 77 years later came Lincoln. 77 years later came Theodore Roosevelt. 77 years after him, guess who was the president??

Yes, that's right G.W. Bush, the man himself.

I get Washington and Lincoln...Teddy Roosevelt? instead of Franklin D. Roosevelt, THAT I don't get...

 

[korbel]

One thing that I hated to hear her say was that McCain knew how to win a war, or something similar, but he fought in Vietnam and the US lost that one.

But I will say that she did much better than I expected.

I cringed also when i heard that comment from her. However, he barely fought in that war....he spent most of it in a Vietnamese prison.

Hello Techman and Doc,

Yes, I thought the idea that McCain has the kind of war experience that makes him a great war leader was laughable. After 23 bombing missions he was shot down and ended up spending 5 1/2 years in terrible prison conditions and even said about having a breaking point after four days of torture, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine." Now we can understand the stress...but it sure isn't indicative of great leadership.

Yikes,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Ahhhhh... It's rather obvious that Palin has extremely limited grasp on issues and that before her nomination on the ticket, she hadn't spent one minute of her entire life thinking about important national and international issues .

"Errr... not sure about that question... Hmmm... smile... wink... energy! Alaska! maverick!..."

But hey, she connects with the people! JoeSixpack power!

I find this love of mediocrity and distrust for knowledge and intelligence fascinating.

Well JB,

The kind of people I am agreeing with these days...geeeeez...who would have thought. The only thing Palin did better than Biden was connect with the crowd. Even then the polls indicate they saw through her likability to realize she really doesn't have a good grasp on facts or national and international politics. In fact, at one point she even says she may not answer the question, but she will express her views in a way the average person can understand. Though I thought she did extremely well with factual evidence early, she really lapsed into...I just want to be a real and likable person who the average voter can understand...winky, winky. And, without her notes it would have been a lot worse. You're right Justbob, it's discouraging that people can love the kind of mediocrity that just keep smiling and wiking without much substance.

WINK!,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Hello all,

"Oh, John McCain was just brilliant"...said Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson on Larry King tonight referring to McCain choosing Palin for Vice President.

Nuts,

Korbel

 

[Doc Holliday]

Maybe, maybe not, but given a chance to leave early, he declined because others had been there longer. I think that is courage.

I'm not sure how 100% accurate the facts were about this, but if they were, I call it being stupid.

Vietnam was a non-winnable war (different from Iraq) and we should not have been there (same as Iraq) in the first place.

Please define, in your own words, what "victory" actually is in regards to Iraq. Most people with a good head on their shoulders still aren't sure & that even includes Gen. David Petreus.

Still, your last line seems filled with smug elitism.

Considering that in today's politics, this seems to be someone with a high level of intelligence & a university education, i'll take it as a compliment. There's nothing wrong with being referred to as 'an elitist'.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Calling that a stupid act is a cheap shot! - I served in a unit where camaraderie was paramount - in the shits you are fighting for your bud not any ideal.

Considering all the lies that have come out of the McCain/Palin camp over the past 2 months, i don't believe a single thing anymore that they say or claim. They've lied & exaggerated so much & so often that i'm even starting to wonder if he ever really was a POW!!

 

[JLB]

political porn spoof Nailin' Palin

Larry Flynt's company has cast Lisa Ann as the Republican vice-presidential candidate in the political porn spoof. Hustler officially confirmed to AVN yesterday that the project is in pre-production, after rumors spread in the mainstream press that the movie was already finished.

Hustler issued a press release about Nailin' Palin just hours before the televised Palin-Biden debate. Playing off Palin's so-called "MILF appeal," director Jerry T's movie will feature the "Paylin" character in a lesbian orgy with porno caricatures of Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice.

The scene has "Serra Paylin" entertaining two Russian soldiers who show up at her door after crashing their tank into a tree on her front lawn.

"We were wondering if we could use your phone to call the Kremlin," the soldier asks.

"I'm sorry, fellas, I don't speak Russian," she replies.

Nailin' Paylin will be out in November.

 

[korbel]

Larry Flynt's company has cast Lisa Ann as the Republican vice-presidential candidate in the political porn spoof. Hustler officially confirmed to AVN yesterday that the project is in pre-production, after rumors spread in the mainstream press that the movie was already finished.

Hustler issued a press release about Nailin' Palin just hours before the televised Palin-Biden debate. Playing off Palin's so-called "MILF appeal," director Jerry T's movie will feature the "Paylin" character in a lesbian orgy with porno caricatures of Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice.

The scene has "Serra Paylin" entertaining two Russian soldiers who show up at her door after crashing their tank into a tree on her front lawn.

"We were wondering if we could use your phone to call the Kremlin," the soldier asks.

"I'm sorry, fellas, I don't speak Russian," she replies.

Nailin' Paylin will be out in November.

Hello JLB,

"Lisa Ann"...geeeeez, they really are dressing up and "building up" Palin a lot better than the reality. Sarah WINKIE Palin never hoped to look that good in her life.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Ava_Lauren,_Lisa_Ann_DSC_0238.JPG
Lisa Ann on the right.

DAAAAAMN!

Korbel