The Joe.T Memorial Yankees Suck Thread for 2007

[korbel]

Ooops

No, it was in Yankee Stadium tonight.

Hello EB,

Sorry...then CONGRATULATIONS!!! But, don't do it again...lol.

Magnanimously,

Korbel

 

[Special K]

As it turns out, I heard a report tonight that Jermaine Dye invoked his no trade clause and vetoed a trade to Boston. It's being reported that Theo Epstein, in a tacit admission that he fucked up in signing J.D. Drew, sought Dye to platoon with Drew. Dye, who is in a contract year and is having a poor season, simply could not afford to allow himself to be traded to a team that has no intention of playing him every day. Thus, he invoked the no trade clause and told the Red Sox to go fly a freaking kite.

Ahhh, my as usual misinformed friend Beav, Not sure where you're pulling this bullshit out of, probably somewhere up your ass, but Dye actually was willing to waive his no trade clause to come to the Sox and would've been guaranteed to play 5 days a week, however, the Sox weren't willing to part with 2 of their premiere prospects for what would amount to as a 2 month rental of Dye.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Ex-batboy Ices D-Rays

The Tampa Devil Rays' former batboy (from 5 years ago) shut them out Tuesday evening as the Toronto Blue Jays beat the D-Rays 2-0:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2007/07/31/4383904-ap.html

 

[EagerBeaver]

SK,

What I set forth above in my post above was verbatim the report given by Michael Kay during the Yankees game last night, which was that Dye invoked the no trade clause once he heard that he was going to be platooned with Drew. What evidence do you have that the report by Kay (who is a former long time NY Post reporter with as many contacts in baseball as anyone) is bullshit, and other reports that you may have heard are not bullshit?

Kay did not say who his source was, but I got the impression it was someone with the White Sox since they are in town playing the Yankees.

It was also Kay who reported that the fact that the Red Sox were seeking Dye was an admission that the Drew signing, at least for this year, has not worked out, which I presume the same source told him. I am still not sure I understand, if Dye was supposed to be "guaranteed" playing full time by the Red Sox, what was going to happen to Drew? If the trade happened, you have 4 outfielders (Ramirez, Crisp, Dye and Drew) and 3 spots, meaning somebody has to sit.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

It was also Kay who reported that the fact that the Red Sox were seeking Dye was an admission that the Drew signing, at least for this year, has not worked out, which I presume the same source told him

So he learned this from Theo, or he guessed? Perhaps the White Sox batboy had a long discussion with Theo? You're really reaching deep up your ass for this one, Beav.

The plan was to play Dye in right three times a week, once with Drew in center, and also in left and DH once, resting Manny and Papi.

As for Dye rejecting the deal, your source apparently knows more than does the Boston Globe and Herald, both of which are reporting otherwise.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

The Yankees swept Cleveland and won 4 of their last 6 against Boston, guess you missed those games.

Foraging up the old colon again, eh, Beav. Yes, I vaguely remember those games of this past May. I also remember numerous games in which the Yankees scored 15 runs against shitty pitching only to score 1 and 2 when facing league average or better pitching.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Both the Red Sox and Yankees will be adding pitchers to their rotation in the next week. The Yanks will be adding a highly touted rookie with two MLB starts under his belt, one fabulous, one pretty lousy. The Sox will be adding one of the best starters in post-season history.

Schilling just finished his rehab. For the record, in his 15 innings at Pawtucket, Schilling allowed 8 hits and struck out 18. He allowed neither a walk nor a run.

 

[EagerBeaver]

With last night's win, the Yankees have the best run differential in major league baseball, outscoring their opponents by 130 runs. Here are the run differentials for the Yankees, Red Sox and Indians:

Runs/Runs Against

Yankees 612 482
Red Sox 545 420
Indians 552 501

Correct me if I am wrong, but somewhere earlier in this thread Rumpleforeskin said run differential was a good indicator of a team's strength.

 

[madmax-1]

With last night's win, the Yankees have the best run differential in major league baseball, outscoring their opponents by 130 runs. Here are the run differentials for the Yankees, Red Sox and Indians:

Runs/Runs Against

Yankees 612 482
Red Sox 545 420
Indians 552 501

Correct me if I am wrong, but somewhere earlier in this thread Rumpleforeskin said run differential was a good indicator of a team's strength.

If Rumples said that it would be a rare error in judgment. Given the sophistication that sabermetrics has introduced into the game, run differential is a blunt measure that proves nothing other than what Rumples said in an earlier post: that certain teams explode against bad pitching. I'd much rather lead the league in least runs allowed than in run differential.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Both the Red Sox and Yankees will be adding pitchers to their rotation in the next week. The Yanks will be adding a highly touted rookie with two MLB starts under his belt

It's been confirmed that the Yankees' brilliant young talent Phil Hughes will be starting against the KC Royals Saturday at Yankee Stadium. Joba Chamberlain should be called up some time next week, as the Yankees want him to have a few more games under his belt at triple A.

Although Hughes throws very hard and has a great change-up and curve (one of the best changeups I have ever seen for someone his age), Chamberlain throws even harder than Hughes, and has been clocked at 100 mph in each of his last two minor league appearances. I am really looking forward to seeing both of them in pinstripes soon. Also, it looks like Karstens' broken leg has finally healed, and he will also be called up after having pitched dominantly at the AAA level, likely to pitch long relief, meaning Sean Henn, Igawa and someone else will likely be headed down to the minors.

 

[Joe.t]

well, NO !

The Red Sox are 9....go ahead check it out.........http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/index.jsp

9....Games ahead, in First Place...............

I just checked your link and it shows 7 games(6 after tonight), Cashman is a genius and i have a feeling that Chamberlain will have a greater effect on the Yankees than the fat guy that the Red Sox just acquired who looks like he spends his workouts at the Mcdonalds gym.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I just checked your link and it shows 7 games(6 after tonight), Cashman is a genius and i have a feeling that Chamberlain will have a greater effect on the Yankees than the fat guy that the Red Sox just acquired who looks like he spends his workouts at the Mcdonalds gym.

In fairness, Gagne has always looked out of shape, his whole career. So was Mickey Lolich, so was Fernando Valenzuela, so was Sid Fernandez (massively out of shape), so were many others who were very effective major league pitchers. I don't think there is any questioning that the Gagne trade will help Boston, a lot, if he stays healthy. His health is more a potential issue than his being or at least looking a bit out of shape, although being out of shape may contribute to a decline in health/productivity.

I do think that we are soon going to see the results of how Cashman has rebuilt the farm system, very soon, and we will see that those results were/are much better than the results of some of his recent free agent signings. I am pleased with how he has focused on young pitching - he showed vision for the future.

 

[Joe.t]

In fairness, Gagne has always looked out of shape, his whole career. So was Mickey Lolich, so was Fernando Valenzuela, so was Sid Fernandez (massively out of shape), so were many others who were very effective major league pitchers. I don't think there is any questioning that the Gagne trade will help Boston, a lot, if he stays healthy. His health is more a potential issue than his being or at least looking a bit out of shape, although being out of shape may contribute to a decline in health/productivity.

I do think that we are soon going to see the results of how Cashman has rebuilt the farm system, very soon, and we will see that those results were/are much better than the results of some of his recent free agent signings. I am pleased with how he has focused on young pitching - he showed vision for the future.

According to ESPN's Peter Gammons the Yankees have the best pitching prospects in all of baseball in their farm system, lets hope that Chamberlain is not another Farnsworth who also hits the radar at 100 mph but pitches like crap, i think though that Chamberlain is the real deal.

 

[Special K]

I'm pretty sure Igawa was also sent down to the minors last week after his latest pitiful performance.

Not liking the looks of this series the Sox have with Baltimore. Got Tavarez going tonight for the traded Gabbard and Wakefield tomorrow against another tough pitcher for the O's in Guthrie. Could be looking at a sweep at home the way the Sox have been batting lately.

 

[korbel]

Farm systems.

Hello all,

There are two funny things about refering to farm systems when talking about the Yankees. It infers you are giving up on your team for this year when you indulge in speculation on farm teams so much. And, considering how often and how greedily the Yankees have built their stock on the free agent market since it came into existence the idea of a Yankee farm system seems as irrelevant and useless as "tits on a bull".

As for you Joe. t, maybe you should let EB edit your predictions before you pot them. He doesn't seem to be high on sniffing Yankee yearbooks and recently used A-Rod underwear when he writes his posts...lol.

Inhale deeply now,

Korbel

 

[Joe.t]

I'm pretty sure Igawa was also sent down to the minors last week after his latest pitiful performance.

Not liking the looks of this series the Sox have with Baltimore. Got Tavarez going tonight for the traded Gabbard and Wakefield tomorrow against another tough pitcher for the O's in Guthrie. Could be looking at a sweep at home the way the Sox have been batting lately.

Scared already arn't ya!!

 

[EagerBeaver]

Korbel,

The core of the Yankees championship teams of 1996 and 1998-2000 were home grown from the Yankees farm system: Jeter, Pettite, Rivera, Posada, Bernie Williams, et al. So I am not sure what exactly you are talking about, especially since the Red Sox have been spending almost as much money on free agents as the Yankees in years, and also not always with great results.

Farm systems go in cycles. When you are winning and have low draft picks, sometimes your farm system goes through lean years. The Yankees have been quietly stocking up on pitching in recent major league drafts with Hughes, Chamberlain, and Ian Kennedy. The Yankees are permitted to use the draft just like all the other major league teams, have done so shrewdly of late, and are about to reap the benefits.

Keep an eye on the standings, Korbel. Nobody has given up on anything. It's only August 1!

 

[Special K]

Scared already arn't ya!!

Nope, realistic...unlike some posters here. Lol.

 

[EagerBeaver]

AL's Top 5 July Hitters all Yankees

I just saw a rather unbelievable stat: the top 5 players in hits in the American League for the month of July are all Yankees.

Cano leads the list, followed by Melky, Matsui, Posada and Jeter (not sure if I got the order right).

 

[korbel]

Not really.

Korbel,

The core of the Yankees championship teams of 1996 and 1998-2000 were home grown from the Yankees farm system: Jeter, Pettite, Rivera, Posada, Bernie Williams, et al. So I am not sure what exactly you are talking about, especially since the Red Sox have been spending almost as much money on free agents as the Yankees in years, and also not always with great results.

Farm systems go in cycles. When you are winning and have low draft picks, sometimes your farm system goes through lean years. The Yankees have been quietly stocking up on pitching in recent major league drafts with Hughes, Chamberlain, and Ian Kennedy. The Yankees are permitted to use the draft just like all the other major league teams, have done so shrewdly of late, and are about to reap the benefits.

Keep an eye on the standings, Korbel. Nobody has given up on anything. It's only August 1!

Hello EB,

There's really no comparison historically, and if your definition of "almost iincludes a fairly significant gap then you are right. The Red Sox have been more aggressive this century, possibly getting close to the Yankees habits. But before that the edge was never in doubt. And, who was contesting the validity of using the draft for anyone.

As for the standings, I have never said anything was over even when the Sox were up by 14. I know when it's over and that is when one team has clinched. But lately the Yankees have been facing weaker teams on the average. Right now I look at the long term happily considering the strengths of each club and the schedules they face.

Never count on old trends in history too much to predict what will happen. The Yankers have been to the playoffs several times since their last World Series win in 2000. With of record of 26-6 in the World Series they have an 81% success rate. So the historical trend would have been for them to win it all in all but one of the years between 2001-2006. But they have won none. They were in the World Series twice and the trend did not work. So forget about the Yankee steamroller of Septembers past. Without pitching, which they inexcusably failed to get in the trades, they are a certified dead end somewhere this year even if they do beat the Sox...somehow. It's too bad all those homeruns from the big show yesterday can't be banked for the time they WILL need them.

Bronx cheers,

Korbel