The meaning of "No"

[pop2021]

There's a new paper up on SocArXiv: The Changing Meaning Of “No” In Canadian Sex Work Advertising: Peace of Mind, Safety and Race

This looked at what words people put after "No" in sex work ads over a 15 year period. An emerging theme was the exclusion of Men of Color in advertising. This is particularly pronounced in Ontario and it looks like its almost exclusively female workers who employ this type of restriction.

Looking at the ads there's really a debate going on about this with some advertisers explicitly stating that everyone is welcome. While less prevalent there are also sometimes restrictions on age - although its not ageism per se but rather restricting clients to those of middle age (>30 or 30-60).

What are people's thoughts on this? I think sex workers always have the right to consent at any time before or after contact with clients.

Demographic variables for advertisers restricting clients based on ethnicity:

 

[Fradi]

It is sad when people are rejected, however it is a SW right to choose who she wants to see, just like it is a clients right to choose which SW he wants to see.
Luckily there is enough gorgeous ones in Montreal for all and hopefully they have enough clients to keep them happy and enough money for all.

 

[bodick7]

It is sad when people are rejected, however it is a SW right to choose who she wants to see, just like it is a clients right to choose which SW he wants to see.
Luckily there is enough gorgeous ones in Montreal for all and hopefully they have enough clients to keep them happy and enough money for all.

Pas plus tard qu’avant hier, il y en a une qui m’a texté qu’elle se faisait harceler par un coucou frustré par le refus. Après ça, on se demande pourquoi les filles délaissent le métier et ça chiale sur merb qu’il n’y a plus de choix…

 

[Mw66]

An emerging theme was the exclusion of Men of Color in advertising.

This shouldnt be a surprise to anyone on this forum. Half the ads on leolist say "no black gents". I have asked girls about this as i was curious why they restrict black guys and the answer is always "i have had too many bad experiences". I have never elaborated what this meant. I suspect its also from some sw'ers hearing from their friends having a bad experience and then implementing the same restriction.

A very touchy subject and any SPs reading this are in better position to comment what this means and why.

 

[Julia Sky]

A very touchy subject and any SPs reading this are in better position to comment what this means and why.

It means they're racist, and the "why" is probably a racist upbringing. End of story!

I guarantee many of these girls had a bad experience with at least one white client as well but they don't refuse white clients.

 

[bodick7]

It means they're racist, and the "why" is probably a racist upbringing. End of story!

I guarantee many of these girls had a bad experience with at least one white client as well but they don't refuse white clients.

What about black girls refusing black gents… I’ve seen some of these.

 

[Fradi]

What about black girls refusing black gents… I’ve seen some of these.

That is understandable.
It is a small community, they don’t want to run into friends or even worse family members.
Surprises like that they can do without.

 

[Lexus3]

That is understandable.
It is a small community, they don’t want to run into friends or even worse family members.
Surprises like that they can do without.

Fradi, like Koreans refusing to see Korean clients for the same reason. Understandable.

 

[Jules Bergeron]

What about black girls refusing black gents… I’ve seen some of these.

Isn't it interesting that in real life black girls don't broadcast a policy "no black men." There is a reversal of real life in sex work, isn't there?

 

[LC18]

What about black girls refusing black gents… I’ve seen some of these.

This is more like not wanting to have a member of our community showing up to our door and then telling our family. You have no idea how fast information travels in our community.

I’m lucky, my family isn’t here.

Edit: I was using voice to text sorry

 

[LC18]

Isn't it interesting that in real life black girls choose black men. There is a total reversal of reality in sex work, isn't there?

I am black and I don’t choose black men. I don’t have a preference in terms of skin colour. I date black and white men.

 

[bodick7]

I’m lucky, my family isn’t here.

Lucky guys too.

 

[Jules Bergeron]

I am black and I don’t choose black men. I don’t have a preference in terms of skin colour. I date black and white men.

Thanks: I appreciate your response.
You seem open minded and independent. I feel happy for you. You go girl!

 

[Jules Bergeron]

Lucky guys too.

Sounds like a very wise woman.

 

[Canada-man]

since august i decided to put SPs who put "no black men" in their ads on my ignore lists.. on twitter i simply block them and move on

 

[Mefy]

Your body.
Your choice.
Everyone has preferences I guess...


"You Can't Force Anyone to Value, Respect, Understand, or Support You
but,
you can choose to spend your time around people who do."

 

[GreyPilgrim]

I was told by 2 separate providers from 2 separate major agencies that they have been booked by black dudes looking to recruit them. Like… insistently attempt to recruit them.

On one occasion, the john even had buddies waiting in the parking.

Does that justify flat out refusing to be booked by black gents? I don’t know. Not my ass on the line so it’s certainly not my place to make that call! But it‘s certainly food for thought.

 

[AirBo]

they have been booked by black dudes looking to recruit them

Black, white, asian, hispanic... common practice. But then there are different ways to do it

 

[kkrack]

Sex is a very personnal and intimate thing a woman is vulnerable around a man while he goes in her. If she's not comfortable around particular people it's her right to reject people based on a generalization.

 

[LC18]

I get it but there are a lot of white men on the blacklists and SPs don’t put “no white men” on their ad :/