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The Montreal scene seems to not be the same as it was before I left town.

Numerati

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This is similar to what happened to former NYC gov Eliot Spitzer. Rumor is he was going after Wall Street and Wall Street saw an opening to stop him in his use of this high-end agency. You may be caught in the cross-fire even with a protected high-end agency.

High-end NYC busts are not unheard of. This one was well-known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Itzler

Their records were also seized. This worry is part of the reason I have not done anything locally.
I only hobbied in my city when the Montreal agencies back then came and visit/toured. Other than that it is all in Montreal. Much better that way really because I prefer the reverse-incall! LOL.

Also I really enjoy looking at how my hotel bed looks like after when it is all said and done after those two hours. Ha ha. And I don't have to clean up the mess and leave it to the housekeeping!
 

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The Atlanta agency was similar tier as an Euphoria/XO; not sure if that is what you considered as lower-end. I interpret low-end as street walker/drug addict; the one that got busted weren't those. Some girls were college students and/or had a legitimate side job and incall was a rental in similar conditions as Euphoria but in a safe suburban neighborhood. I was partaking in Atlanta a year or two before that bust. Other similar agencies went dark/underground afterwards.

Agency did screening but looks like that wasn't stringent enough to prevent LE from getting a warrant to tap the incalls with cameras.
I regularly patronized the Atlanta agencies that got busted. I even talked to the owner on the phone for about 20 minutes a few weeks before the cops stopped the investigation and arrested the women and clients. I managed not to get caught up in the entire mess because of the good fortune (and added expense) of doing outcalls for years.

What you said is correct. The women were college-aged, it was an apartment in an upscale area and the going rate was very on par with what Euphoria and Vogue charge now. I forgot the details of what prompted the investigation. Heavy foot traffic prompting a call from a neighbor? A disgruntled provider dropping an anonymous dime on the owner of the sister agencies? I don't know. I do know an investigation wouldn't have gone forward in the absence of a moralizing police chief because the bulk of the charges were strictly related to prostitution.

The near miss and the chilling effect on all providers across the city is what made me finally pull the plug on coming to Montreal.

I just returned to stateside hobbying only recently, after signing up for p411. Every single lady I've seen has been in a hotel (touring or even domiciled). I believe that even p411 didn't sign on new admirers around that time because everyone was skittish. The lasting impact is there is really one (low quality) agency I know of. The rest of the market has been occupied by indies, which has its own upsides but their hourly rates are also at least double what I used to pay.

As for Montreal, of course it's changed and not for the better since the pandemic. But Montreal still has the advantage of the agencies with lots of women, something I don't have access to in my home city. The other advantage is your risk of a moralizing police chief are less there because the culture is more accepting that men like bedding women without the need for courtship. Of course, it goes without saying that dragging in undesirable aspects like illicit substances or lack of consent/inability to consent ups your chances with dealing with po-po. So although the quality hasn't held up in the few years I've been visiting I'll still be coming because it's a significant improvement from where I live, to say nothing of the fact that I also love Montreal sans toutes les femmes delicieuses.
 
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Precisely, Patron. NNJ, especially the Meadowlands area, is one of the escort capitals of the US. And Patron, you know the agencies I’m referring to and that I use.

if you digress from those agencies that have been around forever and that LE likely knows about, you could end up in jeopardy. Busts do happen in NJ, and it’s often the bottom feeders and stings at Rodeway Inns and Motel 6s.

You do build capital and good will with reputable agencies you frequently use, and get to know the owners, and certainly know who is texting back to you while making an appointment.

I think Transatlantuc was referring to brothels in GA Thats a far cry from a single upscale agency girl at a nice hotel in the Meadowlands. I don’t even think twice about LE involvement in those situations, especially if we are enjoying a $30 glass of wine at the hotel bar area.

A few upscale agencies have been in business in NNJ for 14 or 15 years, and are quite particular about their clientele, who pay $350-$450/hour these days.

That said, there are some popular NNJ agencies I will not use. Too much drama, too risky.
Can you tell me which ones sir.
 

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Yes, and the Sugar System is a big draw.

For the ones who do participate in sex work, they like a system where it is seems very safe and tgey watch all those videos on the Seeking site that imply tgat sex might not even be part of the deal.

One of the reasons that Montreal is better than most other places is it’s strong agency system. The youngest ladies like not having to do many administrative tasks.

The U.S, system of law enforcement going after everything but independents who screen and have their own website, and a few small, boutique agencies, has simply created a situation where there are very few of the youngest ladies advertising as escorts. They often don’t have the confidence or resources to navigate the independent escorting system. A few do, and they want to charge the rates to justify it.

Now that is okay, of course. Women mature much faster than men at everything but sex. But the fact that women come into their sexual prime long after that youngest age is a good reason to be happy with the relatively older ones as a John. That may change in terms of women now that we are perhaps slowly leaving the media age where every fucking coming of age movie shows the debutante as having a bunch of suitors, and her first sexual experience with the one she chooses being her greatest moment of life. But time will tell.

That having been said, I do think that even considering OF, MP, and the Sugar System, that the overall percentage of women in the 18-22 year old range who do penis in vagina sex work has declined over the last few decades. People used to be on their own at 18. Moved out of the house into a shitty apartment or dorm room, often in a different city than their hometown. Shitty first car, if a car at all. Very little financial support.

Now the world has changed. Partially due to marketing, and partially due to inflation, and partially due to working women of the last few decades being susceptible to that marketing.

First and foremost, a much larger percentage of young women now live at home. That makes escorting a Herculean task even if she wants to. The rent inflation is an enormous barrier.

And second, the financial support that young people in their late teens and 20s continue to receive from their parents is stunning. The young lady on her own at 18 who needed to support herself is now more of a rarity. Hell, I remember seeing a fun 18-19 year old in Montreal long ago who roller bladed to the session (it was summer). She talked about how much fun it had been to start college the year before, and the excitement of moving away from home.

Not as many of those chicks exist today. Her much younger sister, well hell that was so long ago, it might be her daughter, just doesn’t have the same life experience. While she might live at home, she has a big screen TV in her room, and quite possibly the best car in her family. Today‘s teen had a mom who had fewer kids than ever before because she was working. When she got home and the family watched TV, what did they see. A fucking Lifetime Channel movie about Child Abduction, even though that is less likely to happen now than in the 1960s and 1970s. And guess what else? A Michelin tire commercial with a baby sitting on a tire that said Buy Our Most Expensive Tire, because “so much is riding on your tires.” Motherfuckers. What percentage of terrible automobile accidents are lessened through an extra millimeter of tread? .0000000000000001 percent of them? But because both parents work and felt guilty about it and had enough money, that shit worked. And it continues today. One of the safety organizations just created a big stir on Twitter by suggesting that parents consider buying their teens a much larger car, possibly even an SUV, because larger vehicles are safest, and teens are the least experienced drivers. Sane people went nuts, but the tweet wasn’t deleted. SUVs are safer for the driver of that vehicle, but are far more deadly to the driver and passengers in the other car that it hits due to the bumper differential. And SUVs are statistically far more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists that they hit. But of course if both parents work and have the money, buy your precious teen an expensive SUV so they will be a little bit safer themselves; don’t worry about the body count of others.

Montreal and Quebec are poorer than the U.S., and the people are a bit smarter than Americans, so they aren’t quite as influenced by this stuff. So there are still a few more youngsters who sell tail in Montreal than in the U.S. But the numbers have declined everywhere except South America and Asia. Barcelona had a lot of luck for a while when three groups had incall that specialized in 18-22 year olds. But those places have deteriorated, and the potential new law, if it passes, puts the places at greater risk than agencies. A person needs friends much more at that age, so it is heartwarming that becoming friends with co-workers their own age was part of the deal.

Not sure if a significant the current population of 18-22 year old ladies who aren’t full-service sex workers (or if they are, it is through the Sugar system) will become escorts later? I actually doubt it. There are enough of them still to provide plenty of enjoyment, so it isn’t a huge supply chain issue. And as I said, many of the current ladies who are older than that provide better services than the youngest ladies anyway, at least in my opinion.

But I am not sure the landscape looks promising when you roll the clock forward 10-15 years. So enjoy today and what is currently out there, even if it is different (and more expensive) today than a decade or two ago. And don’t discourage the youngest male Johns from participating. Because it will likely get worse in the future, and nay never get better after that.
What are MPs sir
 

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The talk about the US - In Phoenix there are no escort agencies they are all either in prison, on probation, or fled. Anytime more than one person it is a criminal enterprise major felony and every cash transaction is treated as money laundering. I have been in Court watching many cases where not only the owner but all the workers (as associates of a criminal enterprise) were given "Donald Advisements" they could face up to 80 years in prison if they didn't take a plea deal.

Most every worker took plea deals but most for a felony but with probation. The only one to fight it was the head of the Phoenix Goddess Temple, I have about 200 updates on that case with 39 wonderful mostly older women indicted. Basically, all they did was a chakra release (aka hand job). The owner after 5 years in court and a long trial was found guilty by a jury in about 3 hours. Went to prison for as I recall 5 years and was in jail for about 2 years pre-trial since could not raise the initial $1m bail. Later dropped to something like $20k as she had virtually no assets or income.

This was a few years ago but no one has dared open an agency since and most independents got out of dodge.

Most of the John stings which continue today are to have police pose as escorts on adult boards but slip in they are underage (like can you buy me some smokes on the way since I am not old enough to buy them.). And zillions get busted for underage prostitution which is a very serious crime in AZ. One of the decoys in pictures even had a wedding ring on (so could not actually be underaged.) This has been ruled not entrapment and AZ is only one of six states where the age of majority is 18 vs younger in other states.

As for P411, I believe the Toronto owner (Gina if I recall) sold it a few years ago, but in Phoenix, LE would take over id of P411 gals when arrested and pose as them for references,etc for police stings on others. There have been other incidents in other states of LE using P411 in years past.
 

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Arizona has always been on the Complete Avoid list as far as I am concerned.
For all the talk about Red versus Blue States, the old adage about Red holds true.
Yes and in AZ it all started a decade ago with the Family something Christian group that got law passed outlawing swing clubs (I was on legal committee that took the fight to the 9th Circuit but lost), and banned contact and camera rules for strip clubs - dancers had to straddle arms of chairs since could not sit on laps or have any physical "dirty" contact. Even hugs were technically illegal even if both fully clothed if beasts could touch. Undercovers looked for the slightest infractions and some clubs had to close for 2 weeks for the slightest touch. I knew some of the club owners. Today not strictly enforced but clubs have been raided for prostitution.

The argument at City Council hearings of Christian group was to "protect neighborhoods and children" A local TV station went to the main swing club defendant and panned the area from the parking lot. Nothing but a railroad track and industrial buildings. Where are the children and the neighborhood needing protection" they questioned? They had to shut down or go to jail. It was by far the largest and most popular swing club in Phoenix. I talked against the law at city hearings.

The Christian group ( think it was called Family Research Council or something) wanted to make model laws all over the US that would be based on the Phoenix laws.

Then we had Ms McCain (as in former US Senator) leading the group against strip clubs and passed a law making it a felony to assist or promote prostitution. That shut down all the local boards including my private list which had about 1000 members for fear of prosecution.

On the bad from the industry, side was the founder of TER. He didn't like that I allowed escorts to report on his rape actions and hired a hit man to break my legs and to potentially murder a well known Phx escort. Fortunately, the hit man was an undercover cop. I get a call on a Sunday afternoon by major crimes supervisor telling me all this and wanting to meet with me the next day. After the call I even called 911 to verify their names to be sure they were really PD not a prank. They were. The undercover (who very much looked the part) and his supervisor met me. Long story he was convicted and went to prison - after he fled to Iran with his gun tooting wife but lured back into the US by an agency owner and arrested at the Mexican border.

In addition the attractive undercover female that is often used as a decoy contacted me wanting my help to have escorts come forward since she wanted gals to file rape charges. The head of a Las Vegas list also contacted me since she went on his list clearly saying she was Phoenix police looking for escorts to testify and grant immunity. He called me like "is this for real"? Yes, it is a real vice cop trying to get rape charges added to TER founder's crime.

He was a total dirty bag. If you want your good review on TER you have to come to LA to "service me" and often supply him drugs.

He already had two felony convictions in CA but the 3 strikes law did not apply to the AZ charges. No escorts came forward so he only spent a few years in prison for the hiring to attack me. Last I looked the article in the NY Times was still on their site. I agreed to be interviewed as long as they didn't name me but referenced me in a different way.
 

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Yes and in AZ it all started a decade ago with the Family something Christian group that got law passed outlawing swing clubs (I was on legal committee that took the fight to the 9th Circuit but lost), and banned contact and camera rules for strip clubs - dancers had to straddle arms of chairs since could not sit on laps or have any physical "dirty" contact. Even hugs were technically illegal even if both fully clothed if beasts could touch. Undercovers looked for the slightest infractions and some clubs had to close for 2 weeks for the slightest touch. I knew some of the club owners. Today not strictly enforced but clubs have been raided for prostitution.

The argument at City Council hearings of Christian group was to "protect neighborhoods and children" A local TV station went to the main swing club defendant and panned the area from the parking lot. Nothing but a railroad track and industrial buildings. Where are the children and the neighborhood needing protection" they questioned? They had to shut down or go to jail. It was by far the largest and most popular swing club in Phoenix. I talked against the law at city hearings.

The Christian group ( think it was called Family Research Council or something) wanted to make model laws all over the US that would be based on the Phoenix laws.
It was Christian groups that pushed the Volstead Act in the 1920s. Having said that, Is Oregon not a Democratic state but apparently stripclubs there are all non-contact even though Portland has the most stripclubs per capita? Or am I wrong in that?
 

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It was Christian groups that pushed the Volstead Act in the 1920s. Having said that, Is Oregon not a Democratic state but apparently stripclubs there are all non-contact even though Portland has the most stripclubs per capita? Or am I wrong in that?
I flew into Portland earlier this year and stayed a night on my way to a convention in Seaside OR. I checked TUSCL about strip clubs and yes dances were costly and low contact as I recall from reviews. Nothing like the clubs in "sauga" mostly thanks to the retired at about age 90 mayor who thought sex work should be in the open not hidden to make more safe. "Sauga" is short for Mississauga where Toronto airport is (on N edge) and a booming we would call suburb in the midwestern US (I am from MN originally).
 

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I flew into Portland earlier this year and stayed a night on my way to a convention in Seaside OR. I checked TUSCL about strip clubs and yes dances were costly and low contact as I recall from reviews. Nothing like the clubs in "sauga" mostly thanks to the retired at about age 90 mayor who thought sex work should be in the open not hidden to make more safe. "Sauga" is short for Mississauga where Toronto airport is (on N edge) and a booming we would call suburb in the midwestern US (I am from MN originally).
Yes, you are talking about the Trinity clubs in Mississauga. Great clubs, lots of mileage, many beautiful Black girls available, but since covid there is has been a lot of overcharging happening.
 

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Yes, you are talking about the Trinity clubs in Mississauga. Great clubs, lots of mileage, many beautiful Black girls available, but since covid there is has been a lot of overcharging happening.
Yes, I have been reading that and hope things will get back to normal (at least not overcharging) when I return when its warmer. Also have Ottawa and Montreal on my return to list.

As I understand it the Toronto city clubs have a much more restrictive bylaw than Mississauga (thanks then Mayor Hazel), although it has been a decade or so since tried since I mostly avoid downtown areas with parking, traffic high-cost hotels. Although in Montreal most is centered downtown so will stay but wondering if can just use Uber instead of renting a car.
 

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Yes, I have been reading that and hope things will get back to normal (at least not overcharging) when I return when its warmer. Also have Ottawa and Montreal on my return to list.

As I understand it the Toronto city clubs have a much more restrictive bylaw than Mississauga (thanks then Mayor Hazel), although it has been a decade or so since tried since I mostly avoid downtown areas with parking, traffic high-cost hotels. Although in Montreal most is centered downtown so will stay but wondering if can just use Uber instead of renting a car.
Downtown always has more restrictive laws. The same applies for Montreal. Avoid all downtown Montreal clubs, most are rip off low mileage joints. Only one worth checking in downtown would be Cleopatra.
 

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Yes, but you can get a massage from Miss Canada ( 1977 ) in Arizona.


My Gosh she was active on my Phoenix Private list with reviews from 2000 to 2010. This is the earliest review I still have, may have been some before but she was in her 50s or 60s more than 20 years ago. I may not have Private Lists pre-2000. In other discussions she was very careful about LE since worried about being deported to Canada

Even more my Gosh I just found a review of her on another site last month Nov 2022 so looks like she is still in business, same address etc.

January 18, 2000
Lynn Pamper Yourself Massage
Pamper Yourself is a massage parlour owned and operated by one woman named Lynn. Located on West Thomas Rd, immediately West of Grand Ave and the railroad tracks, in the corner of a small strip mall on the North side of the street. You'll know it by the Mexican place out front. Lynn claims to be fifty years old and advertises in the Arizona Republic classifies as such. She looks more like 60. Interestingly, she has a picture of herself on the wall as a former Miss Canada. She is not bad looking for being so old. Small room with a love seat and massage table and smelly incense. I found the experience to be pleasantly jaded and savored her mature beauty. For $30 or so bucks you get the standard massage. About 5 minutes into it, she whispers how horny she is (in your ear). That's your clue to ask for extras. $60 strips her down to panties only. Pube patch far extends her underwear. She'll play with your dick and lick your body. Gets up on the massage table and straddles you in a mock fuck. She really likes young guys and sometimes goes much further on young cock. Totally naked is available for $90. She is dry and her acting is a bit forced, but if you love tit and ass sag and the sheer pervert desparation you share with her in these encounters, it is a bargain. No reservations. May have to sit in the public hallway until she is done with someone else. That only adds to the nastiness of it all. Hours are 9 to 5:30 M - Sat.
 
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Probably Miss Canada 1976 had her year in the sun and met all sorts rich industrialist, maybe she was too choosy and waited till close to her best before date and had to take an old trophy geezer husband. When the old duffer croaked he was not as daft as she thought he was and left all his money to his kids. Her stipend probably did not keep her in the manner she was accustomed, so she has to set herself up in the pay for play biz.
 
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Probably Miss Canada 1976 had her year in the sun and met all sorts rich industrialist, maybe she was too choosy and waited till close to her best before date and had to take an old trophy geezer husband. When the old duffer croaked he was not as daft as she thought he was and left all his money to his kids. Her stipend probably did not keep her in the manner she was accustomed, so she has to set herself up in the pay for play biz.
I assume you mean Miss Canada 1977 - do you know about the husband or just making this up? I am pretty sure I met her and discussed things and do not believe she was married at least in the early 2000's.
 

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