What do you mean JC, Beauchemin is only on a pace for a league record of -164.
Maybe he can get injured and the Leafs can get Ian Turnbull to come back.
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What do you mean JC, Beauchemin is only on a pace for a league record of -164.
Maybe he can get injured and the Leafs can get Ian Turnbull to come back.
Oh c'mon G1GBallsychin, you know very well Beauchemin would have been beloved in Montreal and is much better than his first 2 games of the season indicate.... all the Scabs fans i know wanted him in the worst way and couldnt believe Gainey didnt sign one of Quebecs own.....
What do you mean JC, Beauchemin is only on a pace for a league record of -164.
Maybe he can get injured and the Leafs can get Ian Turnbull to come back.
On the post-game show after the Habs/Sabres game last night, the panel was again lamenting the fact that Gainey went out & got to very similar defencemen in Hal "Giveaway" Gill & Paul "The Invisible" Mara. Most of their defenceman all shoot from the same side. The panel even wondered why in the world Gainey didn't acquire Beauchemin over all of these players after Beauchemin had even stated he'd welcome playing for Mtl.
Anyways, the season is still extremely young. Two games. Let's see how the teams look after 40 games.
Looks like The Monster will start for Toronto against Ottawa on Tuesday. It appears the team has lost confidence in Vesa Toskala, who might actually wind up in the minors this season.
Anyways, the season is still extremely young. Two games. Let's see how the teams look after 40 games.
Looks like The Monster will start for Toronto against Ottawa on Tuesday. It appears the team has lost confidence in Vesa Toskala, who might actually wind up in the minors this season.
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NY Islanders to relocate?
The New York Islanders are becoming the NHL's biggest free agent. Frustrated with a lack of a decision by local government to approve or reject a major developmental plan that would provide the Islanders with a new, refurbished arena, owner Charles Wang said yesterday he will explore all other options -- including relocation.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nhl
The New York Islanders are becoming the NHL's biggest free agent. Frustrated with a lack of a decision by local government to approve or reject a major developmental plan that would provide the Islanders with a new, refurbished arena, owner Charles Wang said yesterday he will explore all other options -- including relocation.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nhl
Don Cherry blasts NHLPA on Coach's Corner
CBC personality Don Cherry blasted the NHL Players Association's firing of former union boss Paul Kelly on his "Coach's Corner" segment on Saturday's "Hockey Night in Canada."
The NHLPA's executive board voted to fire Kelly after a marathon meeting in a Chicago hotel in the early hours of Aug. 31.
In a sometimes heated exchange with host Ron MacLean, Cherry said he usually sides with players on issues, but couldn't when it comes to Kelly.
"It's terrible the way they treated him. They should be ashamed of themselves," said Cherry.
"(To keep Kelly) waiting in the hall 'til 4 a.m., bring him back in and fire him, gotta do it that night, couldn't do it the next day," said a visibly upset Cherry.
"When I hear somebody's fired quick like that, something fishy's going on."
Kelly is a former U.S. prosecutor in Massachusetts who helped bring former NHL union leader Alan Eagleson to justice on fraud charges.
No reason has been given for Kelly's firing other than it came after a review of his leadership.
Last night's Coach's Corner:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/CBC's_Hockey_Night_in_Canada/Coach's_Corner/ID=1284059955
Last night's Hotstove:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/CBC's_Hockey_Night_in_Canada/Hotstove/ID=1284105111
CBC personality Don Cherry blasted the NHL Players Association's firing of former union boss Paul Kelly on his "Coach's Corner" segment on Saturday's "Hockey Night in Canada."
The NHLPA's executive board voted to fire Kelly after a marathon meeting in a Chicago hotel in the early hours of Aug. 31.
In a sometimes heated exchange with host Ron MacLean, Cherry said he usually sides with players on issues, but couldn't when it comes to Kelly.
"It's terrible the way they treated him. They should be ashamed of themselves," said Cherry.
"(To keep Kelly) waiting in the hall 'til 4 a.m., bring him back in and fire him, gotta do it that night, couldn't do it the next day," said a visibly upset Cherry.
"When I hear somebody's fired quick like that, something fishy's going on."
Kelly is a former U.S. prosecutor in Massachusetts who helped bring former NHL union leader Alan Eagleson to justice on fraud charges.
No reason has been given for Kelly's firing other than it came after a review of his leadership.
Last night's Coach's Corner:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/CBC's_Hockey_Night_in_Canada/Coach's_Corner/ID=1284059955
Last night's Hotstove:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/CBC's_Hockey_Night_in_Canada/Hotstove/ID=1284105111
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Ryan O'Byrne: Report: O'Byrne to miss next six weeks
RDS is reporting that defenseman Ryan O'Byrne will be sidelined for the next six weeks with a knee injury.
Bad news for the Canadiens as they are already without the services of star defender Andrei Markov for up to four months with a torn tendon in his ankle. Montreal will likely be making a call to the minors soon for help on the blueline
OUCH!!!! O'Byrne was having a great preseason and finally looking like a good D man...... plus was a big body on D.......
RDS is reporting that defenseman Ryan O'Byrne will be sidelined for the next six weeks with a knee injury.
Bad news for the Canadiens as they are already without the services of star defender Andrei Markov for up to four months with a torn tendon in his ankle. Montreal will likely be making a call to the minors soon for help on the blueline
OUCH!!!! O'Byrne was having a great preseason and finally looking like a good D man...... plus was a big body on D.......
Weber has been recalled by the team. Two starting defencemen injured long-term in two games. I think i'll let the Habs have the points if it means losing a starting player for a long-term period. Anytime!
On a more serious matter, i've been checking the various blogs dedicated to the Habs & it seems more & more people are suggesting a trade between the Habs & Leafs involving a Leafs defenceman, such as Kaberle, due to the excess of NHL-calibre defencemen in the Leafs organization. If i were Burke, i wouldn't do it unless the return is considerable, like a 1st or 2nd round pick, plus Sergei. How about Sergei straight up for Jonas Frogren?
On a more serious matter, i've been checking the various blogs dedicated to the Habs & it seems more & more people are suggesting a trade between the Habs & Leafs involving a Leafs defenceman, such as Kaberle, due to the excess of NHL-calibre defencemen in the Leafs organization. If i were Burke, i wouldn't do it unless the return is considerable, like a 1st or 2nd round pick, plus Sergei. How about Sergei straight up for Jonas Frogren?
not sure Burke would be willing to help an arch rival in the same division, the rewards would need to be HUGE, not just good., the Kessel deal made sense, but i doubt boring Bob Gainey would give Burke something with rich rewards back,, but Gainey is clueless these days so maybe, ya never know!
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Weber has been recalled by the team. Two starting defencemen injured long-term in two games. I think i'll let the Habs have the points if it means losing a starting player for a long-term period. Anytime!
On a more serious matter, i've been checking the various blogs dedicated to the Habs & it seems more & more people are suggesting a trade between the Habs & Leafs involving a Leafs defenceman, such as Kaberle, due to the excess of NHL-calibre defencemen in the Leafs organization. If i were Burke, i wouldn't do it unless the return is considerable, like a 1st or 2nd round pick, plus Sergei. How about Sergei straight up for Jonas Frogren?
Did it really? Apparently he's already damaged goods. On the IR for at least 6 more weeks. Lol. As a B's fan, that's sweet justice to see. A piece of shit primadonna like Kessel. 21 year old punk who thinks he's a seasoned vet.
SK, for being a reasonably smart sports fan like you are ...... you might need some brushing up on your NHL knowledge, it has been well documented that Kessel had successful rotator cuff surgery and was diagnosed with a full recovery, matter of fact most rotator cuff surgeries , the patient is as good as they were before the injury and sometimes even better..... Every expert that i heard on nhl network, tsn, espn,cbc, as well as other hockey columnists agreed it was a good trade for both clubs and only time will tell who benefited more.....the only "expert" that disagrees was goscabsgo..... go figure
i wouldnt call a shy kid a primadonna, but more of the boston media making him out to be so,,,,, dont always believe the media my man, especially the boston media
...... you might need some brushing up on your NHL knowledge, it has been well documented that Kessel had successful rotator cuff surgery and was diagnosed with a full recovery, matter of fact most rotator cuff surgeries , the patient is as good as they were before the injury and sometimes even better..... Every expert that i heard on nhl network, tsn, espn,cbc, as well as other hockey columnists agreed it was a good trade for both clubs and only time will tell who benefited more.....the only "expert" that disagrees was goscabsgo..... go figure i wouldnt call a shy kid a primadonna, but more of the boston media making him out to be so,,,,, dont always believe the media my man, especially the boston media
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Calling Phil Kessel a 'primadonna' is way off base, and even most Boston sports writers would agree with me on this. Many of them (and other hockey writers) didn't blame Kessel for demanding a move to another team, which was entirely in his right, by the way, being a restricted free agent. But that wasn't the sole reason. Kessel got fucked by the Bruins, and even Boston writers admitted this. Boston tried to trade Kessel at the trade deadline last season, and then thought they had a deal made with Toronto on the day of the amateur draft. Anyone in Kessel's shoes would see the writing on the wall & realize that the Bruins organization didn't want him.
If Boston really would have wanted him, they would have kept him, period. But twice they failed to trade him & now that he was a restricted free agent, he let it be known that he'd be moving & it was up to them if they wanted to trade him, let him sign an offer sheet which might bring them a first, second & third rounder if they didn't match, or match any offer being thrown at him. Luckily for them, and everyone concerned, he agreed to a contract with Toronto, which allowed them to trade him for 2 first-rounders and a 2nd rounder.
Kessel is far from being a primadonna. He's a very shy kid with tremendous talent, who simply wants to play hockey where he's wanted. His offensive skills were not a match in a Claude Julien system & it simply was the best thing for both parties to part ways. As for his rotator cuff surgery, everyone who follows hockey regularly & not just sporadically knew this already & it's not like he's a baseball pitcher. He's a hockey player & he'll recover completely from the procedure. He's already skating & he'll be ready to play in just over a month from now. I have him in my hockey pool, so i expect him to rack up a lot of points this season.
If Boston really would have wanted him, they would have kept him, period. But twice they failed to trade him & now that he was a restricted free agent, he let it be known that he'd be moving & it was up to them if they wanted to trade him, let him sign an offer sheet which might bring them a first, second & third rounder if they didn't match, or match any offer being thrown at him. Luckily for them, and everyone concerned, he agreed to a contract with Toronto, which allowed them to trade him for 2 first-rounders and a 2nd rounder.
Kessel is far from being a primadonna. He's a very shy kid with tremendous talent, who simply wants to play hockey where he's wanted. His offensive skills were not a match in a Claude Julien system & it simply was the best thing for both parties to part ways. As for his rotator cuff surgery, everyone who follows hockey regularly & not just sporadically knew this already & it's not like he's a baseball pitcher. He's a hockey player & he'll recover completely from the procedure. He's already skating & he'll be ready to play in just over a month from now. I have him in my hockey pool, so i expect him to rack up a lot of points this season.
A very close friend of mine is a very successful businessman who has been a season ticket holder for quite a few years. He attends all the special events that the Bruins hold, golf tourneys, party cruises, anything there is, he's there. He even had Lucic go to school with his 8 year old kid last year for show and tell. Lol.
Point being is this, another friend of mine along with him recently played a golf tournament in Bolton, MA and Shawn Thornton was included in their foursome. Shawn is not the type of guy to hold anything back when talking and he made it more than obvious that young Phil Kessel is a primadonna. He had no desire whatsoever to play in this city and made many other statements as to Phils character in the locker room and the dislike the other players and the coach had for him. Let's just say he was very vocal about his and others feelings about this primadonna.
BTW, his offensive skills were fine, it's his defensive mentality or lack there of that didn't fit Juliens system. Anyone who doesn't have any desire to back check and just wants to hang around the blue lines won't fit into Julien's system and that's exactly what Kessel was.
Point being is this, another friend of mine along with him recently played a golf tournament in Bolton, MA and Shawn Thornton was included in their foursome. Shawn is not the type of guy to hold anything back when talking and he made it more than obvious that young Phil Kessel is a primadonna. He had no desire whatsoever to play in this city and made many other statements as to Phils character in the locker room and the dislike the other players and the coach had for him. Let's just say he was very vocal about his and others feelings about this primadonna.
BTW, his offensive skills were fine, it's his defensive mentality or lack there of that didn't fit Juliens system. Anyone who doesn't have any desire to back check and just wants to hang around the blue lines won't fit into Julien's system and that's exactly what Kessel was.
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Marginal players such as Shawn Thornton usually hold nothing back when they speak & often badmouth fellow players (who usually are more talented than they are) when they speak. My brother-in-law has played for years in the AHL & he didn't mince words in regards to Sidney Crosby after his first season. He called him overrated & overpaid, a player who was overly hyped & not as talented as people claimed he was. I laughed! I tried to argue with him to no avail. He claimed that most of the players on his team believed the same thing about Crosby. That basically he was an overhyped, overpaid primadonna. Last spring, my brother-in-law refused to admit what he had said in regards to Crosby. He looked so foolish!
Shawn Thornton is a career 4th-line player, who'll spend his time playing in the minors & for the big team. He's a marginal player, at best. But what i like about him is that he once played in the Leafs system. But i'll believe Brian Burke & Ron Wilson's sources 100 times than i'll believe what a career journeyman 4th liner will say in regards to a much superior hockey talent. Just my two cents.
Just because he's a career 4th liner doesn't make him non credible. That in itself is an asinine assumption.
Whatever reason he was ""Labeled"" a primadonna is irrelevant now anyways, whether it was fabricated or made to be a bigger issue than it was by the media or by fellow teammates, it's over, he is now a Leaf and is happy being so,.,,,, everyone wants to feel important and you cant blame the guy for being distant to the bruins for the way they tried to trade him more than once, when all the guy did was give 100% every second he was on the ice, you dont score 36 goals by luck and without effort, not in todays NHL......
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Very well spoken. As a matter of fact, 99% of NHL'ers were all once primadonnas & many still are. Most of these players used to be the top players on their teams when growing up. Even George Laracque was the best player on his team in minor hockey. Most of these athletes (not just in hockey) grew up with swelled heads & egos & everyone catering to their needs. When they arrived in the pros, they realized that they were no longer the best players & their respective egos took a beating. Even Nick Kypreos once was a top junior player. He still holds the record for the most goals for the North Bay Centennials junior hockey team (OHL). Everyone thinks he was strictly a tough guy (goon) when he played, which was partly true. He himself said that when he arrived in the pros (with Hartford i believe), he quickly figured out that if he wanted to stay in the pros & not spend years in the minors, he had a better chance of making it by using his fists instead of trying to make it as a goal scorer. He had a very respectable career, having played for the likes of the Whalers, Caps, Rangers & Leafs.
Winnipeg to return to NHL?
Latest rumour most concrete yet
We got a salary cap.
We got a new arena.
We've got some southern teams in trouble.
And now, it appears, we have some big money in the mix.
Dare I say, the wheel is turning in the right direction for the return of the NHL to Winnipeg some day.
Don't get overly excited. It's not likely to happen in a year or two.
But news that the richest man in Canada has some interest in bringing a team to Winnipeg is a pretty key piece to the puzzle.
Why would someone based in Toronto want to spend $150-200 million to put a team here, you ask?
They wouldn't, on their own.
But David Thomson, who as chairman of the Thomson Corporation is one of the few people who has more money than BlackBerry Jim (Balsillie), is already a major shareholder with True North Sports and Entertainment, the company that runs our downtown arena and the Manitoba Moose.
Thomson's been involved with True North since the beginning, through his real estate company, Osmington, Inc. Osmington owned the old Eaton's building, although its share in True North goes beyond that.
So when we learn that he's involved -- as we did yesterday -- we don't dismiss it.
This all started with Saturday's Hockey Night in Canada report suggesting there's a group working to acquire the Atlanta Thrashers and move them to Winnipeg .
Never mind what Don Cherry said. Never mind talk of the Phoenix Coyotes coming back.
And never mind the usual naysaying you get in this space.
This is the best, most concrete news a Winnipeg NHL fan has heard, yet.
Sure, we're getting the usual denials out of Atlanta. That's what they have to say. They may still be playing there for a few years.
But we know there's a disjointed ownership group there, one that's been battling for control in court.
The Thrashers are owned by Atlanta Spirit, Inc., who bought them for $80 million in 2004. And we know they lose money.
The Thrashers are near the bottom of the NHL in terms of generating revenue. According to Forbes Magazine, the 10-year-old franchise has been losing some $6 million a year recently.
It would be no surprise if some of those owners were ready to bail.
A move is far from imminent, though.
The same ownership group controls the NBA's Atlanta Hawks, and the group's deal with the city-owned 18,545-seat Philips Arena reportedly calls for both teams to stay, or pay a major penalty ($10 million per year).
There's another factor in Atlanta's stability: according to Forbes, the Thrashers may also be on the verge of losing some $6 million per year in the NHL revenue sharing program, because the city of Atlanta will pass the 2.5-million household limit designated in the program.
Not to mention the U.S. recession is going to kick the crap out of the Thrashers, and several other struggling southern teams, this season.
As per usual, the folks at True North Sports aren't making any comment. Interviews with Thomson are even more rare.
But there's something about this one that makes some sense.
This isn't Pittsburgh owners using Winnipeg and/or Kansas City as leverage to get a sweet arena deal.
This isn't the gawd-awful mess going on in Phoenix, one a sensible person wouldn't want to touch with a 10-foot hockey stick.
What's it all mean?
Maybe we should look at the bottom line.
A year ago, Forbes valued the Thrashers at $158 million.
I'm not sure Winnipeg's Mark Chipman could afford that on his own, or with his other Winnipeg-based partners.
David Thomson, on the other hand, could make it happen.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Atlanta/2009/10/06/11318431-sun.html
Latest rumour most concrete yet
We got a salary cap.
We got a new arena.
We've got some southern teams in trouble.
And now, it appears, we have some big money in the mix.
Dare I say, the wheel is turning in the right direction for the return of the NHL to Winnipeg some day.
Don't get overly excited. It's not likely to happen in a year or two.
But news that the richest man in Canada has some interest in bringing a team to Winnipeg is a pretty key piece to the puzzle.
Why would someone based in Toronto want to spend $150-200 million to put a team here, you ask?
They wouldn't, on their own.
But David Thomson, who as chairman of the Thomson Corporation is one of the few people who has more money than BlackBerry Jim (Balsillie), is already a major shareholder with True North Sports and Entertainment, the company that runs our downtown arena and the Manitoba Moose.
Thomson's been involved with True North since the beginning, through his real estate company, Osmington, Inc. Osmington owned the old Eaton's building, although its share in True North goes beyond that.
So when we learn that he's involved -- as we did yesterday -- we don't dismiss it.
This all started with Saturday's Hockey Night in Canada report suggesting there's a group working to acquire the Atlanta Thrashers and move them to Winnipeg .
Never mind what Don Cherry said. Never mind talk of the Phoenix Coyotes coming back.
And never mind the usual naysaying you get in this space.
This is the best, most concrete news a Winnipeg NHL fan has heard, yet.
Sure, we're getting the usual denials out of Atlanta. That's what they have to say. They may still be playing there for a few years.
But we know there's a disjointed ownership group there, one that's been battling for control in court.
The Thrashers are owned by Atlanta Spirit, Inc., who bought them for $80 million in 2004. And we know they lose money.
The Thrashers are near the bottom of the NHL in terms of generating revenue. According to Forbes Magazine, the 10-year-old franchise has been losing some $6 million a year recently.
It would be no surprise if some of those owners were ready to bail.
A move is far from imminent, though.
The same ownership group controls the NBA's Atlanta Hawks, and the group's deal with the city-owned 18,545-seat Philips Arena reportedly calls for both teams to stay, or pay a major penalty ($10 million per year).
There's another factor in Atlanta's stability: according to Forbes, the Thrashers may also be on the verge of losing some $6 million per year in the NHL revenue sharing program, because the city of Atlanta will pass the 2.5-million household limit designated in the program.
Not to mention the U.S. recession is going to kick the crap out of the Thrashers, and several other struggling southern teams, this season.
As per usual, the folks at True North Sports aren't making any comment. Interviews with Thomson are even more rare.
But there's something about this one that makes some sense.
This isn't Pittsburgh owners using Winnipeg and/or Kansas City as leverage to get a sweet arena deal.
This isn't the gawd-awful mess going on in Phoenix, one a sensible person wouldn't want to touch with a 10-foot hockey stick.
What's it all mean?
Maybe we should look at the bottom line.
A year ago, Forbes valued the Thrashers at $158 million.
I'm not sure Winnipeg's Mark Chipman could afford that on his own, or with his other Winnipeg-based partners.
David Thomson, on the other hand, could make it happen.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Atlanta/2009/10/06/11318431-sun.html
Quebec City deserves a team more...... with that said Winnipeg also deserves a team again.... Hamiliton doesnt make sense, and it's not becasue im a Leafs fan, it's just not as smart as the other 2 cities listed above... 3 teams in Ontario? QC makes a LOT of sense and would be great for Hockey in general, and i for one never got to see a Live Quebec/Montreal game and would cherish that idea,....... QC would get a new Arena and flourish now that there is a salary cap..... as would the Peg'
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