The real H1N1 poll
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This is so funny...
90% of the death each years are caused by the seasonal flu!! The seasonal flu kill hundreds of thousands people each years!!! And then when the people are sick they don't even care of it even if it kills all these people EACH YEARS. And now, all the people are being crazy with a new flu, that killed by far less people and that is less dangerous than the seasonal flu......
There will be nothing more in the future. Since most of the "critical people" will get vaccined, (kids, pregnant woman, old people....etc) it will just be like the seasonal flu... little symptoms and nothing more.
In the near future, when most of the people will get vaccined and the swine flu will start to dissapear, there will be something new to scare people... Like it was for the "virus du nil" and "la grippe aviaire".....
..Yes, like the end of the world in December 2012..
90% of the death each years are caused by the seasonal flu!! The seasonal flu kill hundreds of thousands people each years!!! And then when the people are sick they don't even care of it even if it kills all these people EACH YEARS. And now, all the people are being crazy with a new flu, that killed by far less people and that is less dangerous than the seasonal flu......
There will be nothing more in the future. Since most of the "critical people" will get vaccined, (kids, pregnant woman, old people....etc) it will just be like the seasonal flu... little symptoms and nothing more.
In the near future, when most of the people will get vaccined and the swine flu will start to dissapear, there will be something new to scare people... Like it was for the "virus du nil" and "la grippe aviaire".....
..Yes, like the end of the world in December 2012..
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If you look clearly the other poll was asking about seeing sp's during this pandemic period
I wanted to know if the merbites will be getting the shot or not
Totally different
I guess that it is not only the H1N1 virus that spreads fast, its related threads seem to do so as well
Well, its your choice but if you think that the H1N1 vaccine is good than you should do some search or to inform you more.
This vaccine did not get tested. You and all the people that will get vaccined will be the "testing person" in a way. The only thing that got tested about this vaccine is the amount of liquid it will takes in a person. But for all the secondary effect and all those bad things noone know how it will be.
In 1976, there was a vaccine for the H1N1and this vaccine triggered a GBS outbreak! You think this vaccine is really safe?? More people died from the reactions fo the vaccine than for the swine flu in 1976... Well, since its not a "100% secure tested" vaccine, there is some chances that an outbreak can happen again and this, is WORST than the h1n1 flu itself.
Also, even the doctors and all those health professionnal people disagree this vaccine and they are a bit scared and confused about this vaccin. They vaccine many people, they work in the health industry so they know what they are talking about so if them are refusing the vaccine then... maybe its not just for fun.
Since we don't know how the h1n1 will turn in the future BUT we also don,t know how the secondary efefct and the shit from the vaccin will turn in the future there is nothing more safe between being vaccined or not.
This vaccine did not get tested. You and all the people that will get vaccined will be the "testing person" in a way. The only thing that got tested about this vaccine is the amount of liquid it will takes in a person. But for all the secondary effect and all those bad things noone know how it will be.
In 1976, there was a vaccine for the H1N1and this vaccine triggered a GBS outbreak! You think this vaccine is really safe?? More people died from the reactions fo the vaccine than for the swine flu in 1976... Well, since its not a "100% secure tested" vaccine, there is some chances that an outbreak can happen again and this, is WORST than the h1n1 flu itself.
Also, even the doctors and all those health professionnal people disagree this vaccine and they are a bit scared and confused about this vaccin. They vaccine many people, they work in the health industry so they know what they are talking about so if them are refusing the vaccine then... maybe its not just for fun.
Since we don't know how the h1n1 will turn in the future BUT we also don,t know how the secondary efefct and the shit from the vaccin will turn in the future there is nothing more safe between being vaccined or not.
You did not hear the same specialists I heard....
Because of my old "medical work"... I can have the injection next week...I will let you know, if you are interested, if I feel bad or not... I did feel a little bad just once in all the injection I got, but the base of the injection are still the same...
Basically, each year, a flu vaccin have 3 kind of death viruses inside, and we could have an idea of which "souche" we have to put in it because the flu tradionnaly come from east before coming in America....
I don't think we have to fear more a vaccin than the sickness... Each year, flu vaccin is a brand new vaccin, and that's a multitude of decades that specialists are making them. What make the GBS outbreak in 1976 is unknown by me, I cannot comment it, and I don't have much time to search to know presentely, I'm going to be late.... If I am not wrong, vaccins exist for about almost 2 centuries, no?? If someone could comment with more precision, that could be helpful...
Now, I really have to go....
Take care everyone... xx
Even if you don't feel bad after your vaccine that mean nothing. Most of the very bad complications of a vaccine like this one and like the one for 1976 are going the happen like many weeks later, even many months later so..... don't expect to be safe even if you are good after 2-3 days of getting vaccined!
And, even if the vaccins exist for 2 centuries, there is bad and good way of vaccines. I mean, when a virus appear and the specialist do their best and are testing many many things, then I don't scare the vaccine. But the one that will be used for the h1n1 next week is not something really secure. They did something very fast, a big ammounts in a short time, not even securely tested before... well... its sound like a "botched job", the ones you do so fast do get rid of it...
The development and testing of the H1N1 vaccine took just as long and followed the same protocols as the normal annual flu vaccines do. In my opinion there is no more danger with this vaccine than any other flu vaccine. The fact is that getting swine flu will mean you will lose a week and if you are a kid or a young adult the consequences could be fatal. Even an older adult like myself could get it, cough in the presence of a little kid in the early stages and spread a fatal disease. Its not just something I feel I should do for myself, taking this vaccine is something you do for everybody as we all share airborne viruses. Think about it the next time you are stuffed in a bus with 80 other people, in line at a coffee shop or DFKing with some SP or a girl in a bar.
Dragonatic, you seem to be very poorly informed about what people in the medical community think and feel. I consider myself to be part of that community, having spent years in medical school, specialty training, subspecialty fellowship, and close to 20 years of medical practice. My wife is a research viral geneticist. Both of us will most certainly be getting the H1N1 vaccine once it's available, just as we get the trivalent vaccine every year.
I've taken care of people as they're dying of influenza and I've taken care of people with Guillain-Barre Syndrome (all of whom survived) so I suspect I know more about the realities of "flu" and GBS than you. I've also watched people die of viral illnesses that most people think are trivial, such as measles (rubeola), mumps, rubella, and chickenpox because of a lack of vaccination. That lack, by the way, was usually on the part of OTHER people than the patient who suffered.
Antiviral vaccination is one of the greatest things that's ever happened to humankind. I promise you that without it a significant number of the people you know would not be here. However, vaccination really works on a population basis - if other people aren't carrying an illness, you can't catch it from them. On the other hand, if you're not vaccinated, you can pass on something that to you is merely inconvenient but that can easily kill an immunocompromised person.
The current H1N1 vaccines have been researched and produced using exactly the same protocols and over the same time frames as the annual trivalent vaccines and tested in the same way.
Sometimes the abysmal ignorance about science and health that's become so prevalent lately makes me want to puke.
I've taken care of people as they're dying of influenza and I've taken care of people with Guillain-Barre Syndrome (all of whom survived) so I suspect I know more about the realities of "flu" and GBS than you. I've also watched people die of viral illnesses that most people think are trivial, such as measles (rubeola), mumps, rubella, and chickenpox because of a lack of vaccination. That lack, by the way, was usually on the part of OTHER people than the patient who suffered.
Antiviral vaccination is one of the greatest things that's ever happened to humankind. I promise you that without it a significant number of the people you know would not be here. However, vaccination really works on a population basis - if other people aren't carrying an illness, you can't catch it from them. On the other hand, if you're not vaccinated, you can pass on something that to you is merely inconvenient but that can easily kill an immunocompromised person.
The current H1N1 vaccines have been researched and produced using exactly the same protocols and over the same time frames as the annual trivalent vaccines and tested in the same way.
Sometimes the abysmal ignorance about science and health that's become so prevalent lately makes me want to puke.
Then explain me this. How come, many doctors and many health specialist are not only refusing to get vaccined for the h1n1 but also refuse to vaccine their kids?!? I mean, if this vaccine is supposed to be so safe and so a good thing (and we know that when you are a doctor or any health specialist you know better than anyone what type of medication to use, what are the vaccine's complication.... etc) So why they don't accept it? Even the OMS told that the vaccine is not and will not be securely tested before the mass vaccination. Use your logic. If this wa supposed to be a verry good idea and a safe good vaccine, the doctors and the health specialist would not refuse it.... like the seasonal flu vaccine. They don't oblige it, but they don't refuse it..cause they know it is good. But now, they are refusing the H1N1 vaccine..........................
Since the seasonal flu kills between 250 000 and 500 000 people each years, you should be more scared about this than a flu that killed like 2000 person in 5 months.....
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I can't explain it because it isn't true or even distantly close to true. I do not know one single health care worker who is not planning to be vaccinated or planning to have their kids vaccinated. Not one. That's pretty far from "many."
I'm sure that, somewhere, there are healthcare workers who don't plan to get vaccinated. I know some who don't wear helmets on their motorcycles, who smoke (tobacco as well as crack cocaine or meth), who drive drunk, and so on. Not "many," but some. It's likely that, using the same lousy judgment, some will opt against vaccination. There are idiots in every field.
I am considerably less "scared" about H1N1 than normal seasonal influenzas, which is not very scared at all. However, if I catch it because I'm not vaccinated then transmit it to my elderly, infirm patients I'll hardly be doing them any favors. Getting vaccinated is quick, easy, cheap, and mind-bogglingly safe. Not getting vaccinated against H1N1 is still not highly risky but compared to the risks of not getting vaccinated it's dangerous.
Since you're an expert on drug risks, what do you think about the risk/benefit ratio of using common antibiotics (for example, sulfamethoxazole/trimethoprim) for common infections (for example, urinary tract infections) given their risk of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome (or toxic epidermal necrolysis)? I've seen it. Twice. Is it worth it? If not, what's the cut-off point? How about the small but real risks of Tardive Dyskinesia from common antinausea drugs such as prochlorperazine? I've watched a woman die of a diaphragmatic dyskinesia (and resultant ARDS) after just a few doses.
Everything has risks. Oxygen can kill you. Water can kill you. More people are killed and disabled in North America by either butter or stepladders every year than by all vaccines worldwide ever. Not getting vaccinated out of fear of the vaccine is like driving without a seatbelt while texting and drinking but being worried about being killed by having an airliner crash on you.
I don't say this just for fun, I talk from the results of many surveys. All the medecine teachers (or most of all) in the USA answered a survey 2 weeks ago. I'm going to research it and post you the link. more than 77% of the doctors refused the vaccine, do some math and this is more than the majority.
When I read that I did not even believed it my self. I was like "my god! they are doctors and they refuse it! what the hell". Then, I asked the doctor I always see, I also asked it to many many doctors where my sister work (Hopital LeGardeur and Hopital Sacré-Coeur), I also asked it to some friends of my borther that are doctors too, well.... It ended that most of them refused it..... I don't say this for nothing, I just say what the most told me.....
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