The share of Americans not having sex has reached a record high

[arrowdec]

To this day there remains a stigma around seeing an SP. Mention that you have done so in most places and you will see yourself shunned. This happens to be even fiercer among those younger, where the line of "just get laid" can be tossed into that "logic" as well, regardless of the difficulties facing men of that age group.

I'd further speculate, being in the later part of the age group, that those who see SPs are also those who have had at least one prior non-paid sexual experience. Regardless of validity, there is a notion among many that one's first sexual experience should have some meaning, versus a pump and dump or compensated affair. If this holds, it would give another explanation for the younger generation not using SPs that is not financially based.

Going back to the figures themselves, it's entirely unsurprising that women are engaging in sex more than men at that age. The average female has a much easier time getting random hook ups than the average male; with current hook up culture it's as easy as making a Tinder profile and waiting, even if one's matches aren't the "best" or going to a bar and waiting. That's a second reason for this statistic occurring; in society men are expected to chase and pursue whereas woman can sit and wait. There are always a handful of men who have game and are doing so.

 

[hungry101]

My mother was not. To this day, if she is up for a weekend visit we are watching TV, she has to make some sign of disgust if she sees a woman in a bra or there is a sex scene of some kind. There was a scene if Ozarks where a stripper was dancing and she said 'Why would men want to look at that?" Ill tell her Gee, I don't know ma. In the same show if the mafia is dismembering someone and dissolving them in acid she can handle this. She shrugs as if to say "what are you gonna do?"

In my family, it was instilled in us that sex was bad from a young age.

 

[hungry101]

I am not part of the crowd that believes that losing virginity is a special event. You hope to lose your virginity to a beautiful special partner but I hope all my sex is with a beautiful special partners.

Going back to the figures themselves, it's entirely unsurprising that women are engaging in sex more than men at that age. The average female has a much easier time getting random hook ups than the average male;

I love this. You remind me of a skit I saw in a comedy show called "Not Necessarily the News" years ago. Remember those old commercials on late night TV selling you a book or a series of audio tapes entitled "How to Pick Up Woman?" Well NNN was running a mock commercial for a 30 second tape or 1-page pamphlet entitled "How to Pick Up Men."

They gave a few examples. A man is eating an ice cream cone minding his own business and a woman walks up to him and taps him on the shoulder. He turns around to see a beautiful woman standing there. She says "Let's go." The man throws the cone and walks off with her with out saying a word.

 

[arrowdec]

I am not part of the crowd that believes that losing virginity is a special event. You hope to lose your virginity to a beautiful special partner but I hope all my sex is with a beautiful special partners.

It's definitely silly, yet it's out there. Power to them for missing out on fun I guess.

I love this. You remind me of a skit I saw in a comedy show called "Not Necessarily the News" years ago. Remember those old commercials on late night TV selling you a book or a series of audio tapes entitled "How to Pick Up Woman?" Well NNN was running a mock commercial for a 30 second tape or 1-page pamphlet entitled "How to Pick Up Men."

That sounds like a riot! I remember seeing those commercials in the 90's as a kid, seeing it reversed is an excellent show.

There are a lack of positive sex worker role models in the media.

Of course, everyone who sees an SP is a loser, usually overweight/ugly, and taking advantage of a girl who was forced to do this. Even if sex work is the oldest profession in history, to many it's seen as sex slavery and child exploitation, rather than a job some choose to do for whatever reason.

 

[JackFranz]

Some 18-24 hotties are chasing SDs while they have decent looking or entertaining or funny but not so rich boyfriends, have seen some of my acquaintances' girlfriends on SA.

 

[JackFranz]

What the fuck happened?

The world used to be filled with cool guys like Sam21’s dad.

Now 20-30 year-old virgin males sit around fantasizing about losing their cherry, while the females that age fuck multiple guys while pocketing some cash.

Jesus.

Those few I saw on SA are the really hot ones, like have 2000 or more followers on Instagram. I talked to 2 of them, of course I didn't mention I know their bfs, one asked for 500 per date, then later changed her mind said for 1000 she would do everything for me with passion lol. The other one wouldn't believe I could afford her allowance cuz I am too young, I had to lie to her that I am 28 but she still told me to F off.

I think Instagram is really bad for girls and guys too, in different ways. Some girls basically live on that app.

 

[GaryH]

This article seems to agree with alot of your ideas:

https://nypost.com/2019/04/03/men-are-having-a-lot-less-sex-and-dating-apps-are-to-blame/

 

[hungry101]

They're using the wrong dating Apps. Try MERB, ISG, GP-Guia, and maybe SA.

 

[jalimon]

This article seems to agree with alot of your ideas:

https://nypost.com/2019/04/03/men-are-having-a-lot-less-sex-and-dating-apps-are-to-blame/

I do not buy any of this shit. This guy in the article obviously has a problem that he needs to solve.

If you are a men below 35 and not having sex or not able to find any partner please consult! You are having a problem. Are you strange, awkward, anti-social, very poor, lacking self confidence or esteem of yourself or perhaps are you trying only to score A girl??
For any of these help exist and only can change yourself.

Cheers,

 

[sambuca]

average testosterone levels are on the decline for young men...............

We might have brushed over this comment. Testosterone levels in young men have dropped significantly. This is a powerful driver in our competitive mating effort. Young males have to get off the couch, get out of the house and get off the bar stool. It's likely a major direct cause in the lack of sexual activity for young men.

You can blame feminism for changing parenting styles, but there a lot of factors and no researcher has been able to pinpoint specific behaviors and environmental issues. Rising obesity is one known factor. We can put more blame on mothers, but fathers also have a role.

Citing a Psychology Today article:
"In humans, previous studies have linked testosterone to dominance and competitive success in mating when men battle one another for a sexual partner."

"We found that testosterone levels influenced men's dominance behaviors during the competitions, how much they derogated (or 'bashed') their competitors afterward, and how much the woman said she 'clicked' with them," said Slatcher."

"We hypothesized that testosterone could perhaps also lead to prosocial behavior if such behavior would be beneficial for maintaining or obtaining social status."

 

[jalimon]

Personally, I don’t think this problem is as bad in Canada, or Montreal in particular. A more socialist-oriented economy produces more total misery, but shares that misery quite efficiently. Big cities with high costs of living and large income disparities produce less overall misery, but allocates it very heavily to relatively fewer recipients. And notably produces more long-term young celibate men in the current environment.

Haha I love it. Not sure it's related to socialism. It's well known that poor country fuck a lot more. Look at Africa. Since there is less to do let's fuck

But Montreal is changing rapidly. The lodging market is at 1% availability. People are starting to spend more and more on lodging like in big city. Where is the quality of life when 50% of your income goes for your lodging...

 

[sambuca]

And if a third world country has cities/places that attract mass tourism, tourist males come in with their money and disrupt the order.

After WWII, I still think American GIs (Canadian soldiers too) poached many beautiful women from the rubble and the massive loss of men in Europe. All my friends who had European moms and Ex-GI fathers, had beautiful moms.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^^^^ These hookups do not work, the girl is looking for money and the guy for looks. Find a girl who does not care about the money, has your same interests and you will find a great companion. Not only the wealthy like to fuck.

 

[sambuca]

I agree with Patron a strong (stronger than what we have here in the U.S.) middle class does help. It just stands to reason. We know that the lack of prospects for males has created the bad social phenomenon of unmarried mothers without a father in the picture.

Tucker Carlson Fox News commentator is not lobbying for more guys to score chicks, but he's been advocating for pro-family polices that support working males (and their mates). This is a somewhat new shift in conservative thought. Many conservatives realize you have to have government policy that supports the American family beyond lip service. Laissez-faire economics can be impervious to societal issues which makes it impractical in a democratic society.

 

[jalimon]

They are working unimaginable long hours in high pressure situations.

How do pretty girls pick which ones make it big and become multimillionaires, and which ones become regular guys.

I would say if a girl has reached the point where the potential richness of their future bf goes beyond actual passion and love she is fucked up. Unfortunately I am not saying you are wrong Patron. I am saying I am afraid you are perfectly correct!

I have been around successfull and not so sucessfull entrepreneurs (as myself haha) for the last 18 years. All internet based business. It's simple those who succeeded never focused on becoming rich. You do things because you have a passion. If you do solely only for the money you are fucked. Something will go wrong sooner or later.

A regular well balanced human being does not count when in love.

 

[Valcazar]

The problem is that we have no good way to check the data. The link in the original article goes right to the massive raw database and I haven't seen a better link. So it is hard to tell what exactly he is using to do his graphs and if it is valid (It probably is, I just don't like it when people don't show their work in things like this.)

As for theories, we have nothing good to work with without followup. The inflection point is 2008, so it could be correlated with anything from then. I mean, Netfix started offering streaming in 2007, so maybe that is it - people stay home and watch Netflix. We seriously have nothing to go on here. (And we're still talking a minority of men and women not having any sex.)

 

[sambuca]

Valcazar, makes a very good point. We only know that 2008 was the inflection point.

Thanks Obama!

 

[Valcazar]

A lot of people are pointing to social media, but we don't know.

Sambuxa's thanks Obama joke is good, though.

 

[sambuca]

Joke? I made a joke?

 

[Valcazar]

Cute.

Or are you seriously arguing that Obama was so sexy it made men give up on ever getting laid again?