I would only tip a lady who I had a good session with and had the intention of seeing again. As for a lady asking for a tip, it only happened once and she was one of the worst SP's I had ever met. CBJ to completion and then said that's it and she had the gaul to ask for a tip. i promptly set her on her way.Originally posted by didi
I do not tip! I would send the sp away if she asked for a tip prior to the session. I would complain to the agency if the sp insisted on a tip after a session. I would give a nice "cadeau" (for example a birthday gift) to an sp if I know her well enough. But again this is just me. No sp has ever asked for a tip.
Are you referring to me, or anothr Anik? I enjoy a good red wine myself...Originally posted by didi
Anik, for example, does not like to drink alcohol before and during a date (she would prefer Perrier or simply water).
SoWhat,Originally posted by SoWhat
EBS SAYS: "In addition these ladies are participating in an activity where they may typically earn an extraordinary amount of money as compared to their peers in society, one which is afforded them by the accident of birth."
I SAY: "In addition EBS is participating in an activity where he may typically earn an extraordinary amount of money as compared to his peers in society, one which is afforded him by the accident of birth."
Beauty, brains, social opportunity, and a good chunk of personality,
are all accidents of birth.
Stripperlover,Originally posted by StripperLover
It is accurate that
Beauty, brains, social opportunity, and a good chunk of personality, plus plenty of other traits & religion
are all accidents of birth, but a person earning an extraordinary amount of money compared to other may or may not be a direct or indirect, accident of birth, & that being said which ever way, is a.) no one's business &
b.) there was an assumption that should not have been made
Frequent board members are well aware of my disagreements with EBS, but I MUST take exception to what was just stated by SoWhat, in his assumption that EBS earned his extraordinary amount of money compared to his peers, & that should not be a discussion on this board and further is no one's business and I'll go out on a limb here and state, for the record, that anyone making such a statement, makes such statement out of jealousy of another's situation whatever it may be !
I think the problem that some have with tipping is the fear that it might become commonplace to the point that tipping becomes obligatory like the standard 15% at a restaurant where many if not most people are too embarassed not to tip even if the service was bad. In that case, the debate over tipping is just another version of the argument over overpaying which happens quite often in another board dealing with international hobbying destinations. In Montreal's case, the fees are more or less fixed with the tips being the only variable component thus explaining why some are so against tipping; in short, they're happy with the current prices and don't need partypoopers coming in and spoiling the escorts. The effectiveness of railing on the board, against the tippers, is suspect; maybe there's some sort of therapeutic value ......Originally posted by francisdrake
.... Some of you make it sound as if tipping is a criminal offense. What's the big scandal here?....
I agree that refreshments are customary or at least should be customary since many lower-priced SPs are often surprised when offered such refreshments. But on quite a few occasions, neither the SP nor I cared much for the refreshments and it's possible that several of them especially the lower-priced SPs would have preferred the money instead given that CAD80 is roughly equivalent to their cut of the hourly fee. Ideally, the decisions on refreshments and tips should be exclusive of one another but that's rarely true for the more budget-conscious hobbyist. In any case, all this is for the most part, academic since cutting back on refreshments is kinda tacky and those who don't offer refreshments are unlikely to transfer the cost-savings to the SP in the form of tips.Originally posted by E B Samaritano
..... I don't consider the bottles of wine and/or refreshments I have on hand to be tantamount to be a "tip". To me this is reasonable and customary hospitality....
I`m in agreeement that refreshments should be customary. As for limiting it to a couple of sodas and crackers, I like to spend more since a bottle of champagne can add to the experience. My point isn`t that whatever money that`s not spent on refreshments automatically becomes part of the tip and vice versa but rather that there are situations whereby both parties are either no worse off or better off under an alternative arrangement. In the case where both client and escort don`t care for the refreshments, the client wouldn`t have been any worse off had the money spent on refreshments gone to the escort and the escort would clearly have benefited. It is similar to a situation whereby an employer offers a non-cash benefit which the employee doesn`t care for and the situation would be improved for both parties if the employer just gave the money to the employee instead. In the case of the hobbyist and escort, such an alternative arrangement would be complicated and probably impractical since both parties would have to know each other`s intentions beforehand. My doubts on whether the decisions on money spent on refreshments and tips are truly exclusive stems from the fact that many hobbyists have a fixed amount in mind that they want to spend on the escort fees, hotel rooms, refreshments, tips, misc. expenses, etc and assuming the hobbyist keeps to the budget, increased expenditure on one component will reduce spending on another component; this condition might not hold if certain components have fixed amounts attached to them. Obviously, the bigger the budget, the greater the leeway.Originally posted by E B Samaritano
Refreshments need not be Veuve de Cliquot and caviar. It can be something as simple as soda, water, juice and chips or crackers. And if you don`t feel like it, you won`t know whether she`ll refuse a drink, so why not have those basics just in case. If one is willing to spend hundreds of dollars to pay an escort, I can`t see a reason why 10 bucks for the basics is a burden. Even a bottle of wine can be had for less than 10 bucks. I also can`t see how one would know apriori that they could dump money into a tip in deference to paying a modest amount for refreshments. How do you know the lady deserves a tip prior to the session. If you feel pressured for fear of being branded as cheap, it goes without saying you better have something around the crib to drink and/or snack on as well. It certainly doesn`t have to be a lavish production, but one should consider having at least the basics around. If you are entertaining a HDH, I can`t imagine how ``budget minded`` even comes to mind. Of course there are many of the lower end agency girls that are used of being groped and MSOGed and ed for 60 minutes. They are used of no tip so imagine the mileage availible if you just treat them as human, again something you`ve already alluded to. If all you`re doing is 60 minutes, a bare minimum single drink is quite sufficient. The point is that something should be offered, even if it is refused.