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IamNY

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I can see Kristie Noem as being the vice presidential candidate. For presidential candidate, if it was today, I could see governor Ron DeSantis from Florida as a contender for the republicans. But, so much can happen from now until 2024. For the democrats I can definitely see Elizabeth Warren as vp, but I don't really see anybody strong enough for the presidential candidate. But I do see him or her coming from a high electoral state like California or NY.
 

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If it was today Ron Desantis would be told to know his role and strap on the knee pads. If it was today the candidate would be Trump, no one else. If Trump doesn’t run in 2024, the only person he will support is Don jr or Ivanka. No one else, end of story. Whether Ivanka runs is question. If she doesn’t than don jr will. He’s a fucking idiot so whether he’s able to pummel through people like his dad did is the question.
 
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It is still Trump's to lose. DeSantis is probably the most obvious candidate who isn't a Trump, but 4 years is a long time.
If someone is smart they start going after the Trumps now. Not from the Romney or Cheney direction, but just from the "be an even bigger asshole" direction. Go after Eric or Don Jr for being pussies.
Make yourself the obvious King Asshole in Waiting. Then wait for Don to die.
 

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Nope, best way to go about it is to sit back and watch the shitshow that is about to unfold by likes of Cruz and Hawley, MTG, Gaetz, Jordan and all the other crazies. Best to keep a low profile. Pence is smart. Not sure if he has a chance cause of his association with MAGA though. Keeping a low profile would be best and then see how it all plays out
 

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Best defense is a good offense. Instead of focusing on trashing Trump or his family for the win the dems should work on a strong presidential candidate.

Every candidate they have put against Trump has gotten more votes than him.
There is no "Strong presidential candidate" because for a bunch of people the very fact they are a Democrat means they are a bad candidate.

What would you even consider a "strong presidential candidate" to look like?
 

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Every candidate they have put against Trump has gotten more votes than him.
There is no "Strong presidential candidate" because for a bunch of people the very fact they are a Democrat means they are a bad candidate.

What would you even consider a "strong presidential candidate" to look like?

I actually get what TGW is saying. Not someone who elicits such strong feelings. Not another Clinton, no one from the old Obama guard, and not someone who’s being dubbed a socialist in the progressive wing. Not sure who that would be though in dems
 
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Every candidate they have

What would you even consider a "strong presidential candidate" to look like?
Someone that could beat the Republicans in the next presidential election. It’s pretty self explanatory.
Every candidate? Last time I checked the election isn’t for another 4 years
 

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At CPAC, Trump started his speech 1 hour and 05 minutes late, once again laughing at all the people on his base who were waiting for him.

He hasn't changed, he has told several lies without any proof.

He didn't make it clear that he would be a candidate in 2024, but hinted so.

In the end I didn't attend the best of Trump, but a little, because he is still a liar, narcissist.
 
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I actually get what TGW is saying. Not someone who elicits such strong feelings. Not another Clinton, no one from the old Obama guard, and not someone who’s being dubbed a socialist in the progressive wing. Not sure who that would be though in dems

So no one who is actually a Democrat?
Clinton's never running again but Clinton and Obama were the last two presidents and had 8 year runs and have huge infrastructure. There is almost no one who is in the Democratic party who doesn't have some kind of connection to them except the people who are in the progressive wing and even half of those people do.

Add in that everyone who is a Democrat will be called "socialist" anyway and you have a problem.

You can make an argument that the longer someone has been around the longer the propaganda machine has had to make up shit about them (Clinton being the perfect example) and so you always need to get someone completely new or relatively new like Obama just to minimize the amount they have been lied about, but that doesn't really hold true because Biden has been around forever and there was a minimum of how much damage they were able to do to him.

The quality of the candidate is only so important, really. There is a baseline you have to get over and after that anyone who is capable of winning the primary is viable because of negative partisanship and the two party system. The specifics of a given campaign moment also are huge. Biden probably couldn't win in any other year than 2020 when he was the right man for the moment given all the shit going on. This year, at this moment, he was really strong.

Someone that could beat the Republicans in the next presidential election. It’s pretty self explanatory.
Every candidate? Last time I checked the election isn’t for another 4 years

Yes. Clinton got more votes than Trump. Biden got more votes than Trump.
In fact, a Republican has won more votes than a Democrat exactly ONCE since the 1990s - George Bush in 2004.
The electoral college is a huge problem in how it distorts things but there also remains the fact that the public is really polarized and most races are going to be stupid close for the foreseeable future no matter who gets nominated.
 

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Yes. Clinton got more votes than Trump. Biden got more votes than Trump.
In fact, a Republican has won more votes than a Democrat exactly ONCE since the 1990s - George Bush in 2004.
The electoral college is a huge problem in how it distorts things but there also remains the fact that the public is really polarized and most races are going to be stupid close for the foreseeable future no matter who gets nominated.
Who's talking about the electoral college and what does that have to do with talking about who the democrats might be looking to be in the next presidential election? I know that you want this to be a Trump bashing thread but that's not the title of the thread. Who cares about Clinton, Trump, Biden, Bush, etc. My point was simple enough, not sure why we need to get into the electoral college or any of the names mentioned above when I'm simply talking about who is going to be the next democrat nomination.
 

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He said "I might even decide to beat them for a third time" o_O
That's true, but that was after my post. I am great at many things, but I cannot predict the future. His comment about not dividing the republican party was much more relevant than what we all knew he was gonna say which was pretty obvious.
 

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So no one who is actually a Democrat?
Clinton's never running again but Clinton and Obama were the last two presidents and had 8 year runs and have huge infrastructure. There is almost no one who is in the Democratic party who doesn't have some kind of connection to them except the people who are in the progressive wing and even half of those people do.

Add in that everyone who is a Democrat will be called "socialist" anyway and you have a problem.

You can make an argument that the longer someone has been around the longer the propaganda machine has had to make up shit about them (Clinton being the perfect example) and so you always need to get someone completely new or relatively new like Obama just to minimize the amount they have been lied about, but that doesn't really hold true because Biden has been around forever and there was a minimum of how much damage they were able to do to him.

The quality of the candidate is only so important, really. There is a baseline you have to get over and after that anyone who is capable of winning the primary is viable because of negative partisanship and the two party system. The specifics of a given campaign moment also are huge. Biden probably couldn't win in any other year than 2020 when he was the right man for the moment given all the shit going on. This year, at this moment, he was really strong.



Yes. Clinton got more votes than Trump. Biden got more votes than Trump.
In fact, a Republican has won more votes than a Democrat exactly ONCE since the 1990s - George Bush in 2004.
The electoral college is a huge problem in how it distorts things but there also remains the fact that the public is really polarized and most races are going to be stupid close for the foreseeable future no matter who gets nominated.
The elected Republican at state level are working hard at sheating by voting suppression for Democrat voters for the 2022 elections like they have done for years.
 

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CPAC....another déplorable and non sense long long long speech in front adoring people ;) .....nothing new....again and again all about FRUSTRATION--FRUSTRATION--FRUSTRATION, déni and lies......always un sordide EGOTRIP...always TROMP
at his...worst....va continuer d'enfoncer son parti au bord du gouffre....et son héritage politique sera alors complet......bravo bravo bravo....
 
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