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Womaniser

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Yep.....ready for the wrestling match????....lolll...should be something to watch....not sure it will move the needles...anyway GO TIM....enjoy the fight..lolll.

Meanwhile, Trump went to Georgia in a hurry yesterday taking the occasion to tell a bunch of lies. The first was to tell that the Governor Kempt had been unable to speak with Biden.
The same governor had told before the contrary and that Biden gave him his private phone number.
Can Trump say a single sentence without lying ? I would bet : NO !
 
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are you out of your mind? Are you aware his whole family is voting for Trump? Not 1 or 2- all of them? What does it tell you about him as a human being????????
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Since their family member's opinions are important to you though, let's see what Trump's family has to say about him.

There's two entire books on the subject.
Fred Trump III (Nephew) - All in the Family: The Trumps and How We Got This Way
Mary Trump (Sister) - Too Much and Never Enough: How my Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man

Haven't read them, but I'll guess that they have negative opinions regarding Trump. And unlike Walz's distant cousins, they've actually spent time around the person they're talking about.
 

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He think and speak like a 19th century politician.
...thinks and speaks like his boss....of wich he already said he was ''unfit for our nation's highest office''....not a very responsable and credible behavior from a graduate of Yale....just saying...lollllll
 
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...thinks and speaks like his boss....of wich he already said he was ''unfit for our nation's highest office''....not a very responsable and credible behavior from a graduate of Yale....just saying...lollllll
At least he gave us Hillbilly Elegy, which became a wonderful movie. What contribution has Tim Walz made to the society and culture of the United States, other than alienating his own family?. If nothing else, Hillbilly Elegy was all about the core principles of self- help, self-accountability, not relying on and cheating governmental programs out of income and actually trying to work hard and better oneself. Apparently you guys believe in the values of laziness, no accountability, grifting, leeching, and sucking off money from governmental programs like you once did the milk of your mother's titties.
 
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Since their family member's opinions are important to you though, let's see what Trump's family has to say about him.

There's two entire books on the subject.
Fred Trump III (Nephew) - All in the Family: The Trumps and How We Got This Way
Mary Trump (Sister) - Too Much and Never Enough: How my Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man

Haven't read them, but I'll guess that they have negative opinions regarding Trump. And unlike Walz's distant cousins, they've actually spent time around the person they're talking about.
I don’t think family members’ votes are important.

Now that this is said, I must say I am impressed by Trump’s cohesive family. His kids and grand-kids all look healthy and succesful and they seem to get along well.

Kamala does not have kids of her own but her step-kids look ok, they are younger so jury is still out perhaps.

Of course Trump did cheat on his wives but so did Kamala’s husband - I think that is more a male issue than a political issue (and all of us here can’t throw the first stone).

Biden’s entire family is a mess but he is no longer relevant. Strange thing to say, the current president is not a relevant force in the world!
 
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At least he gave us Hillbilly Elegy, which became a wonderful movie. What contribution has Tim Walz made to the society and culture of the United States, other than alienating his own family?. If nothing else, Hillbilly Elegy was all about the core principles of self- help, self-accountability, not relying on and cheating governmental programs out of income and actually trying to work hard and better oneself. Apparently you guys believe in the values of laziness, no accountability, grifting, leeching, and sucking off money from governmental programs like you once did the milk of your mother's titties.
Not sure what writing a book has to do with governing. Walz is a 6 time congressman and 2 term governor. Walz can govern. Grifting, no accountability, leeching (as in defrauding the government) sounds like you're describing trump.
 
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Not sure what writing a book has to do with governing. Walz is a 6 time congressman and 2 term governor. Walz can govern. Grifting, no accountability, leeching (as in defrauding the government) sounds like you're describing trump.

I didn't watch the debate tonight but the first comments I heard were that it was a normal debate between two normal people.
Not a shit show like the debates when Trump participated.
Vance should be the Republican candidate for President by far over Trump.
Its weakness was when he spoke about democracy where he kept Trump positions about not respecting election results.
 
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Not sure what writing a book has to do with governing. Walz is a 6 time congressman and 2 term governor. Walz can govern. Grifting, no accountability, leeching (as in defrauding the government) sounds like you're describing trump.
Jazzman1218,

I did try to watch a little of the debate. I could only take it in a measured dosage lasting probably less than 15 minutes (measured dosage as in taking Castor Oil or Magnesium Citrate, which do not taste so good). Both men were, IMHO, very good public speakers and acquitted themselves well from a debating standpoint, but I heard the same old partisan politics bullshit I hear in all other debates. Partisan politics and "toeing the party line", in my opinion, all it does is stunt creative problem solving by pressuring party members to NOT THINK outside the box of the party line. People like Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt would not be permitted in modern Rrepublican parties, nor woul Harry Truman or Franklin Roosevelt in modern Democratic parties, as they are "too much their own men". What I can say after watching Vance and Walz is they are both good soldiers, as they once were in the US Army/Marines. So if you thought you were watching 2 expert bootlickers, you saw what I saw.

From the 15 minute snippet of debate I saw, I declare it to be a draw.

However, I will give an edge to Vance because, as previously mentioned, he has made a significant contribution to the literature, arts and culture of the United States, and because he is a Yale graduate, whereas Walz, much to my shock and suprise, went to a total, total, total flunkie college in Nebraska called Chadron State, which practices "Open Admissions", meaning 100% acceptance rate if you have a GED or high school diploma. You may think it odd, or perhaps stuffy or aristocratic, maybe even snobbish, but in my entire life I have never trusted anyone who went to a flunkie college. If I walk into your office in real life, and I see a Chadron State diploma hanging on your office wall, I am thinking to myself, "what a fucking moron! Who hangs a Chadron State diploma on the wall, it's like advertising "I am a dumbass."" Again, you may not think like me, but this is the one and maybe only thing I tend to be very judgmental about, and I am not going to apologize for it.

I went to a college many of you on this board would struggle to get into, if you got in at all (top 25 public university in the USA, if your SATs are not 1200 or GPA in high school 3.2 or above, forget it). I attended a Jesuit high school with a rigorous entrance exam, and low acceptance rate. I was a National Merit Scholarship winner in high school and something of a minor academic stud in law school (I made law review, won an Am.Jur. award). So I deeply respect Vance's ability to rise from the Hillbilly Appalachia scene (think the movie Deliverance, Jazzman, because that is what this dude lived), to get into Yale and evenjtually become a VP candidate, while marrying a reasonably hot wife. No, I do not agree with his position on abortion or any number of his other views, but I do respect the shit out of what he has done with his life, which is a lot more impressive than going to some flunky college that the dumbest kid in my graduating prestigious Jesuit high school class would have been accepted into. I suppose you will argue that it's more impressive what Walz did coming from said flunkie college, but it just shows he is a good boot licker, as he showed last night.
 
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...and the best part was.....''i declare it to be a draw''.......and ''a significant contribution to the literature, arts and culture''....lol....he should stick with because as a politician graduated from Yale he is slobbering, arrogant, manipulative and lying......
not really worthy of his NOBLE profession....lollllll
 

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Jazzman1218,

I did try to watch a little of the debate. I could only take it in a measured dosage lasting probably less than 15 minutes (measured dosage as in taking Castor Oil or Magnesium Citrate, which do not taste so good). Both men were, IMHO, very good public speakers and acquitted themselves well from a debating standpoint, but I heard the same old partisan politics bullshit I hear in all other debates. Partisan politics and "toeing the party line", in my opinion, all it does is stunt creative problem solving by pressuring party members to NOT THINK outside the box of the party line. People like Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt would not be permitted in modern Rrepublican parties, nor woul Harry Truman or Franklin Roosevelt in modern Democratic parties, as they are "too much their own men". What I can say after watching Vance and Walz is they are both good soldiers, as they once were in the US Army/Marines. So if you thought you were watching 2 expert bootlickers, you saw what I saw.

From the 15 minute snippet of debate I saw, I declare it to be a draw.

However, I will give an edge to Vance because, as previously mentioned, he has made a significant contribution to the literature, arts and culture of the United States, and because he is a Yale graduate, whereas Walz, much to my shock and suprise, went to a total, total, total flunkie college in Nebraska called Chadron State, which practices "Open Admissions", meaning 100% acceptance rate if you have a GED or high school diploma. You may think it odd, or perhaps stuffy or aristocratic, maybe even snobbish, but in my entire life I have never trusted anyone who went to a flunkie college. If I walk into your office in real life, and I see a Chadron State diploma hanging on your office wall, I am thinking to myself, "what a fucking moron! Who hangs a Chadron State diploma on the wall, it's like advertising "I am a dumbass."" Again, you may not think like me, but this is the one and maybe only thing I tend to be very judgmental about, and I am not going to apologize for it.

I went to a college many of you on this board would struggle to get into, if you got in at all (top 25 public university in the USA, if your SATs are not 1200 or GPA in high school 3.2 or above, forget it). I attended a Jesuit high school with a rigorous entrance exam, and low acceptance rate. I was a National Merit Scholarship winner in high school and something of a minor academic stud in law school (I made law review, won an Am.Jur. award). So I deeply respect Vance's ability to rise from the Hillbilly Appalachia scene (think the movie Deliverance, Jazzman, because that is what this dude lived), to get into Yale and evenjtually become a VP candidate, while marrying a reasonably hot wife. No, I do not agree with his position on abortion or any number of his other views, but I do respect the shit out of what he has done with his life, which is a lot more impressive than going to some flunky college that the dumbest kid in my graduating prestigious Jesuit high school class would have been accepted into. I suppose you will argue that it's more impressive what Walz did coming from said flunkie college, but it just shows he is a good boot licker, as he showed last night.
I watched the entire debate. Vance was slick stylistically but weak in terms of substance and sincerity. Vance wouldn't answer any of the questions asked, instead attacked Harris as if she has been the POTUS and outright lied about everything including his own record and trump's record. I see Vance as an empty vessel who will do or say anything in service of trump and MAGA.
 
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I fail to see how Walz is any of those things.
Of course you fail to see that, big surprise there.
You failed to see that Biden was not fit to be President and then after the debate you disappeared for close to a month.
Now you are back with your usual CNN inspired nonsense.
 

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Of course you fail to see that, big surprise there.
You failed to see that Biden was not fit to be President and then after the debate you disappeared for close to a month.
Now you are back with your usual CNN inspired nonsense.
If your go-to debate tactic is going to be "YuR BrAiNwAsHeD bY CnN", you may as well quit now.
We're brainwashed by CNN (Which I've never actually watched since I'm not an old man with a cable subscription) and you're brainwashed by Fox (or maybe Rebel Media?).
Debate's over, close the thread. Apparently we're all brainwashed by various news outlets and incapable of critical thinking or checking multiple sources.
 
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If your go-to debate tactic is going to be "YuR BrAiNwAsHeD bY CnN", you may as well quit now.
We're brainwashed by CNN (Which I've never actually watched since I'm not an old man with a cable subscription) and you're brainwashed by Fox (or maybe Rebel Media?).
Debate's over, close the thread. Apparently we're all brainwashed by various news outlets and incapable of critical thinking or checking multiple sources.
Why would I want to debate anything.
I actually find the ridiculous interest that Canadians have in US politics comical.
Brainwashed, yes, you wouldn’t be the only ones most of the media throughout the world is left leaning and is responsible for the current riots and all the trouble all over Europe.
Thread over, you are kidding, a handful of you guys have been running 6-7 threads with the same rhetoric now for close to 8 years.
Yes I wish they would close these threads, do we really need 6-7 TDS threads with the same participants on a hooker review board just to make you guys feel good and to be able to pat each other on the back repeatedly lol.

I have never watched Fox, I actually watch CNN and CTV because apart from their political BS their other news coverage is quite good.
 
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Ann Coulter on Walz:

Considering that Harris' entire political career has consisted of being an unqualified token minority, it's only fitting that her running mate is an unqualified token white guy.

To balance out her being a DEI hire, Kamala Harris needed a regular white guy as her running mate. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party doesn't have any of those, so Harris chose Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota. At the debate this week, the main function Walz served was to remind us that some white men are mediocre.

The media have been doing their level best to convince us that Walz is a salt-of-the-earth, white male, Trump-voting archetype.

This is a man who was so terrified of a virus that is less dangerous than the flu to 70% of the population, that he ordered his entire state locked-down, masked-up and unschooled for a solid year. Walz's COVID restrictions continued long after even blockheads had figured out that the lockdowns accomplished nothing beyond destroying businesses, lives and children's developing brains, dragging on through at least three different styles of useless paper face masks.

Hoping to distract from his party's hatred of working-class white men, Walz incessantly boasts that he's a "union man," as if he's Marlon Brando in "On the Waterfront." But he wasn't a coal miner, a truck driver or steelworker. He was a teacher, meaning he spent up to eight hours a day in a comfortable, temperature-controlled classroom, couldn't be fired and got summers off.

Walz obviously knows what an unimpressive figure he cuts, otherwise, he wouldn't be constantly telling petty, image-boosting lies about himself.

He has, for example, come up with a million different ways of implying he served in combat in Afghanistan. In 2004, he held a sign for John Kerry that said, "Enduring Freedom Veterans for Kerry." Similarly, in 2006, his congressional campaign literature described him as an "Operation Enduring Freedom veteran."

In fact, he deployed to Italy, 3,000 miles away from any fighting. No big deal. I wasn't in combat either. Neither were most Americans. Why must Walz lie?

Since being caught in this prevarication, he's been using the Clintonian "technically true" trick, referring to his time in Italy as a deployment "in support of Operation Enduring Freedom."

Walz has repeatedly claimed that, seized with patriotic fever the week of the 9/11 attack, he promptly reenlisted in the National Guard. "My 20 years," he says "was actually, ironically enough, up that week of September 11, 2001, because of the time I had off and made up, so I reenlisted like, I think, the vast majority people did with a real uncertainty but wanting to with a real sense of wanting to do something."

In response to media inquiries, the Minnesota National Guard recently clarified that he couldn't have reenlisted that week because he wasn't eligible for retirement for another year.

Walz has long claimed the title of "retired command sergeant major" -- the highest rank possible for enlisted soldiers. After he was busted, his title was revised to "retired sergeant major."

The Harris campaign put out a video about Walz when he joined the ticket showing him railing against gun, saying: "We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only place where those weapons are at."

Obviously, he never carried weapons in a war because he was never in a war.

The lie aside -- what kind of badass, battle-hardened combat veteran supports gun control? Will the Democrats' next macho man be David Hogg? (The demographic categories most likely to support Second Amendment rights are: Men, whites, non-college educated and gun owners -- which Walz allegedly is. Of course, he's also allegedly a man.) Democrats must really be running low on white men. They should try going to an NRA meeting.

Walz told a slew of lies about his 1995 drunk driving arrest (blood alcohol level 0.128) assuring the press that he wasn't even drunk -- in fact, he was allowed to drive himself to jail! -- and he only failed the sobriety test because of a misunderstanding due to his hearing loss from service in the Guard. (Never has so little war experience been deployed in so many lies.)

Every one of those claims about his DUI is false.

This week's whopper was Walz saying he was in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square massacre, when, in fact, he was home in Nebraska. (But he still spent Christmas of 1968 in Cambodia with John Kerry.)

Asked about this latest tall tale at the debate, he said -- actual quote:

"Look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town of 400. Town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service. I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms ... " and on and on for several hundred more words.

Moderator: "Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?

"No."

When it comes to the candidates' detailed policy positions, I have trouble deciding between Harris' "I grew up in a middle-class family" and Walz's "I grew up in a small town."

Considering that Harris' entire political career has consisted of being an unqualified token minority, it's only fitting that her running mate is an unqualified token white guy.
 

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Are you saying that Trump isn't the only liar politician in USA ?
Certainly not, but Trump hold the all time record by miles and miles !

There is a running gag om Youtube : " Do you know when Trump is lying ? Very easy : when his lips are moving !
 
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Of course you fail to see that, big surprise there.
You failed to see that Biden was not fit to be President and then after the debate you disappeared for close to a month.
Now you are back with your usual CNN inspired nonsense.
Let's try this again, shall we. I am posting about Vance and Walz and their VP debate. You are replying about Biden, CNN, and me. I contend that Vance is a trump boot licking, ass kissing, yes man and Walz is not. Care to reply to my contention?
 
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