Tricked - a documentary about prostitution !

[Siocnarf]

It also leads to stereotypes and profiling, such as thinking a guy is an abusive pimp simply because he's waiting for her in a car. According to this, even Mr Harper is trafficked victim because there's always a car to pick him up and big guys are always staying close to him. The truth is that appearance mean nothing, same as with conjugual violence. The best way to find out is for police to gain people's trust so they come forward and press charge. But you can't do that with laws based on lies.

 

[Doggyluver]

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I thought a picture with some facts from a group of sex workers might be appropriate to add to this discussion

 

[hungry101]

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I thought a picture with some facts from a group of sex workers might be appropriate to add to this discussion

Bullshit. This is fucking rubbish.

If you go into an area with a high crime rate (break-ins, drugs, gang activity, muggings, car jackings and murder) and police that can't do shit about it. What is the first thing they do with a good portion of their manpower? That's right...Set up a BackPage Sting. And then when they catch asome sweet young thing doing this? Well there has to be an evil white male behind all of this. They would tell her "Now go in the next room and tell the lady from social services over there your story. Yes that one over there...the hair-cliped, wire glasses wearing man-hating one that looks sort of like a man....she is from social services. She will tell you what to say.

 

[tiannas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG1tn_HUcAAlrXl.jpg:large

I thought a picture with some facts from a group of sex workers might be appropriate to add to this discussion

The poster specifically states "workers engaged in survival sex". Survival sex being "prostitution engaged in by a person because of their extreme need. It describes the practice of people who are homeless or otherwise disadvantaged in society, trading sex for food, a place to sleep, or other basic needs, or for drugs".(Wikipedia)

Survival sex workers make up a very small portion of overall sex workers yet they are the ones that get most of the focus when prostitution is presented to the general public. I'm not saying that these women's stories do not merit being told, however I would like to see the media show more balance by giving equal voice to those who are willingly participating in this profession.

 

[Doggyluver]

Bullshit. This is fucking rubbish.

If you go into an area with a high crime rate (break-ins, drugs, gang activity, muggings, car jackings and murder) and police that can't do shit about it. What is the first thing they do with a good portion of their manpower? That's right...Set up a BackPage Sting. And then when they catch asome sweet young thing doing this? Well there has to be an evil white male behind all of this. They would tell her "Now go in the next room and tell the lady from social services over there your story. Yes that one over there...the hair-cliped, wire glasses wearing man-hating one that looks sort of like a man....she is from social services. She will tell you what to say.

Wow, talk about a myopic view of prostitution and the LE and how and why they handle this the way they do. To assume the police ignore the other crimes being committed in their city is rather asinine, I am sure the efforts to solve the other crimes is there as well, what we see as citizens is the news reports of major arrests, drug busts and prostitution stings

Another point, yes it is possible that one documentary can be skewed but as I search out more and more I see the views of others including women who have been in the SP business and others that remain working as SP's today. Have a look at a documentary called American Courtesans, made by an SP interviewing SP's and telling their stories. Yes things may be different in Montreal than they are in NY or LA but I kind of think the industry can be painted with a similar brush no matter where in the world . Are there women who work in the business and are happy with what they do, definitely, I am simply trying to raise some questions regarding the business and playing devils advocate in looking at another point of view. Let's not bury our heads in the sand or have them shoved up our ass so far we are unable to see that yes, there are young women being pimped and abused by those pimps, there are young women being held hostage to this industry, all of them, NO, but it is out there and we should be aware as it is unacceptable.

http://www.americancourtesans.com/

 

[hungry101]

Not really any reason for them to do that. The studies and documentaries are put together by social workers. At the lower levels, these people have an intrinsic need to feel superior to the people they study and "help". They mean well, but they are a hassle. Most of them are honestly not too bright (it is an easy subject in school and the only career avenue for many of those that were themselves "helped" or "saved" from bad circumstances). At the higher levels, the people that run businesses and government agencies focusing on social work rely on funding and grants. By relying on the most extreme examples, they are able to maximize funding opportunities. With respect to the media outlets for the stories, they survive on advertising revenue. Stories that appeal to gullible people who like confirmation of the stereotypes they have always been taught will generate more successful advertising. Dumb, gullible folks buy what is advertised, and business caters to them. A major US pharmacy chain now has an "As Advertised on TV" section. God help us.

There have been a couple of studies of the higher-end US prostitution market. The University of Chicago economics professors who wrote Freakonomics dedicated a chapter to a lady who was an independent escort who gradually was able to increase her rates. She is sometimes a guest speaker at their classes. The professors express bewilderment that more women do not do "upper-level" sex work. They compared her life to that of a streetwalker and demonstrated the differences. It is a fascinating study, and says a lot about poverty in the United States. The obvious conclusion that I gathered is that the best approach to increasing the incomes and happiness of sex workers is for them to become better sex workers.

Of course economics by its very nature will never produce any great solutions. If a person reads the comments and reviews on theeroticreview and on usasexguide.info, he or she will see that the johns paying $350-$600 U.S. are different than the ones paying $100-$250 per hour in the United States, and the providers are very different. I am sure if you divide those numbers in half, the principle is the same in Montreal. But the U.S. media only focuses on the low-end of the market, and that creates a danger to the high-end if laws and law enforcement treats everyone the same, partially as a result of propaganda.

another great post that is spot on. The Freakanomics guy was at a conference I attended and I heard him speak about the escort. She is making more money than probably 85% of the businessmen that were at the conference. She picks up the phone when she so desires.

Doggy (BTW - I love Dog's too) I didn't say the police don't care about real crimes. They just can't do anything effective to stop it. So it is much easier to host a Backpage sting. Why the sting? Well, 99% of civilians (and apparently you) believe that the Leim Neeson movie "Taken" is an accurate portrayel of the sex industry. Therfore, stupid people wake up on Sunday morning and read the police blotter and read about the Johns picked up in the latest sting and believe that the city is really doing something about crime. The murder rate remains high, carjackings are steady, and more lives are lost by heroin overdoses than by car accidents.....the authorities can't do anything about any of this but look they caught the local science teacher - who had nothing more than a traffic violation all his life - in a BackPage sting. Throw the fucking book at the exploitive pervert. This takes the heat off the police cheif and the mayor etc. It is politics.

Now, if you really believe this shit than why do you see SP's? If I believed this hokey bag of shit I would quit the hobby. But I do not. I know to many SPs personally to fall for this crap. Come on Doggy...You don't really believe this do you?

 

[Doggyluver]

I believe that the "stings" that are set up to trap the "backpage" John's are not done to arrest . charge and convict these people but rather when the stings are reported in the media and yes the local science teacher, pastor etc are included in the arrests that this reporting will do more to deter the average individual from seeking out the backpage girls and looking for the "underage" SP's that are, yes being exploited by the local pimps. I have first hand knowledge of a young girl living in the Rosemount area of our wonderful city, who today is 17 years old, an addict, pregnant and back living with her Mom. She has no idea who the father of her unborn child is but got started at the age of 15 turning tricks. After she met her "boyfriend " who was 19 at the time and he had supplied her with food, drugs, accommodation, clothing and gifts he turned her out to begin working. Today he has no use for her as she is 7 months pregnant, obviously she got off....easily ? She is receiving treatment for the addiction and counseling for her time on the street and she is alive. If this can happen to one girl in Montreal, my only question is, can it not happen to more than one. Let's not be so naive to think that this only happens in the ghettos of the U.S. large cities, this could be the daughter of your best friend.