U.S. and Israel Launch Major Attack on Iran

[Smokemeal2]

Not sure if you guys ever heard of Richard Nixon's "Madman Theory" of foreign policy- the idea that keeping adversaries deeply uncertain about a president’s sanity and limits can yield diplomatic leverage- but this Guardian article acknowledges that Trump's extremely confusing, often contradictory, and erratic rhetoric about the war and its objective may actually be "genius" (albeit perhaps unwitting genius):

Trump wages war on Iran his own way: commander-in-chaos

Erratic rhetoric, shifting goals and mixed signals leave allies, foes and voters unsure what the president wants from war

www.theguardian.com

"the president has delivered a dizzying churn of social media declarations, off-the-cuff remarks and wildly shifting objectives. The whirlwind may prove disorienting for the enemy and make it easier for the president to declare victory at a time of his choosing.
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Such ambiguity carries a potential upside for Trump: a lack of defined objectives provides him with a built-in escape hatch. Since he never established a concrete benchmark for success, he can declare victory and withdraw at any moment he chooses.

Matthew Hoh, an Iraq war combat veteran and senior fellow with the Eisenhower Media Network, said: “We can be glib and we can say, well, maybe there’s a genius in that because if you don’t set any clear goals no one can hold you to them. Donald Trump could be typing up a Truth Social message right now saying the war is over.”

Trump is way too dumb to have a theory.

Iran will succeed in pissing off the rich US allies in the Middle East. That will be devastating for the US and Israel.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Trump is way too dumb to have a theory.

Maybe so, but he is executing Nixon's "Madman Theory" in textbook fashion. I agree that it is probably not intentional on his part, but his playbook execution of the Madman Theory couldn't be any better. It's actually an interesting test of the Nixon theory which we have never really seen play out on the world stage as it now is playing out-at least since Nixon elucidated the theory.

 

[Mandouke]

Maybe so, but he is executing Nixon's "Madman Theory" in textbook fashion. I agree that it is probably not intentional on his part, but his playbook execution of the Madman Theory couldn't be any better. It's actually an interesting test of the Nixon theory which we have never really seen play out on the world stage as it now is playing out-at least since Nixon elucidated the theory.

I believe what is being executed is the Greater Israel plan for the Middle East. That is evident to me and has been ongoing for quite some time now.

The CIA and Mossad have many stinky trade secrets that were about to be made public and may well, in fact, be made public. Those trade secrets are directly related to the Greater Israel plan for the Middle East and are inherent in the US dirty laundry and hubris evident in the Epstein cover-up.

I wonder what Jared Kushner would have to say about that, now that his predecessor Epstein is ostensibly eliminated?

Oh, what a wicked web we weave. Now say that five times!

 

[Smokemeal2]

Maybe so, but he is executing Nixon's "Madman Theory" in textbook fashion. I agree that it is probably not intentional on his part, but his playbook execution of the Madman Theory couldn't be any better. It's actually an interesting test of the Nixon theory which we have never really seen play out on the world stage as it now is playing out-at least since Nixon elucidated the theory.

I agree.

Yet I think the Iranians are much more intelligent than this American administration.

Just an important note, I despise these fucking Iranian extreme religious bastards who kill women for not covering their heads. They would be on fire I would not piss on them.

Yet I know these fucker are wise. And they will use all they can to bring all Middle Eastern countries to turn their backs on the US and Israel. Which in my opinion is their easiest route.

If Dubai is no longer safe. They win.

 

[CaptRenault]

The U.S. has started to hit Kharg Island off the coast of Iran. It is used to export 90% or Iran's oil so it is vital to Iran's ability to get revenue to fund their war against...well, the entire Middle East and the U.S.

US Forces Hit Iran's Kharg Island, Key to its Economy and Security. What to Know About Iran's Islands | Military.com

www.military.com

Meanwhile a few thousand U.S. Marines and their support forces are on their way to the Middle East. If the U.S. does attack Iran with ground forces, I think the main target would be Kharg Island.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

I'm sure all the people who support preemptive war with Iran can explain all the different and contradicting reasons the Trump administration has given for the attack--if they can keep up with all of them, that is. When even George W Bush looks better for at least making a public case for war (even if it was greatly flawed), think of how quickly America has declined in this century.

Secondly, one of the many reasons that got Trump in power in the first place was his so-called opposition to war. I say so-called because this was never true: he told Howard Stern he was for the Iraq War. Furthermore, several military incursions that he wanted in his first term with Venezuela and Mexico were only foiled thanks to adults like Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.

But let’s say for argument's sake Trump is against war and nation building as he has said many times. He was able to garner support over the matter because the country greatly soured over Iraq. The current VP is anti-interventionist thanks to the Iraq boondoggle. So why choose to go to war and unlearn the tragedy?

Nothing that has happened so far suggests attacking was a sound move, but more like opening a can of worms. Of course, Iranians within the country and the diaspora will celebrate that a despot is dead (just to be replaced by another despot), but this misses the fact that every repressive regime has its loyalists too.

With a halfway responsible and principled president who knows what he's doing and isn't easily manipulated (Netanyahu was touting in the White House just last year that he nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize), despite the Trump stance reversal on regime change, the chances for success are greater. In the hands of a man who is saying he should get to decide who Iran's next leader is (as if Iran will agree to that and that's how the Ayatollah came to power in the first place) and says he'll know when the war will end when he "feels it in his bones," if you think he's equipped to handle this moment, then I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I don't think regime change is a legitimate objective here, but I do think that destruction of Iran's military/nuclear stockpile is a legitimate objective so as to thwart the dissemination of the stockpile to the Iranian proxies who are causing murder, mayhem and terrorism and are a threat to stability in the Middle East. Economic sanctions did not work and only hurt the citizens.The world simply should not sit idly by while these stockpiles were constantly being increased and exported according to all international intelligence.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

I don't think regime change is a legitimate objective here, but I do think that destruction of Iran's military/nuclear stockpile is a legitimate objective so as to thwart the dissemination of the stockpile to the Iranian proxies who are causing murder, mayhem and terrorism and are a threat to stability in the Middle East. Economic sanctions did not work and only hurt the citizens.The world simply should not sit idly by while these stockpiles were constantly being increased and exported according to all international intelligence.

You can't put a square peg in a round hole. Who was the Stable Genius who blew up the JCPOA again? Even Trump's first Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, was trying to fix the Iran Deal rather than nuking it (pun unintended). I haven't even touched how Trump and town drunk Hegseth said Iran's nuclear capabilities have been "totally obliterated" just last year.

Meanwhile, in more shows of pure incompetence, Trump asks other countries to jump to help in for his own boneheaded decision.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/trump-says-many-countries-will-send-warships-keep-strait-hormuz-open-2026-03-14/

 

[mauricevachon]

Even when they hit girls school and kill hundreds ?
Evidently Trump denies that and told that it was an Iranien Tomahawk missile. Did IRAN buyed those missiles on AMAZON ?

Preliminary DOD report:

• The preliminary findings attribute the strike to a U.S. Tomahawk cruise missile, resulting from a "targeting error" based on outdated Defense Intelligence Agency data that misidentified the school building (adjacent to an IRGC naval base) as part of the military facility.
• This contradicts initial public statements (including from President Trump) suggesting Iranian responsibility.
• The investigation has been elevated due to the incident's severity, but no final conclusions or declassified document has been issued.
• The Pentagon has acknowledged the probe but has not commented on specifics of the preliminary results, stating only that the matter is under review and that the U.S. does not intentionally target civilians.

 

[CaptRenault]

I'm sure all the people who support preemptive war with Iran can explain all the different and contradicting reasons the Trump administration has given for the attack--if they can keep up with all of them, that is.

I already listed all the reasons here. Iran has been at war with the U.S. since 1979. The U.S. is finally hitting back. That's all that matters to me.

 

[CaptRenault]

trying to fix the Iran Deal rather than nuking it

There was as much hope of "fixing the Iran deal" as there would have been of "fixing" the infamous Munich agreement of 1938.

 

[minutemenX]

I already listed all the reasons here. Iran has been at war with the U.S. since 1979. The U.S. is finally hitting back. That's all that matters to me.

To be clear, Iranian war is not entirely Trump’s war. Military does not work on election cycles. The operation has been in planning during several republican and democratic administrations. Trump just had the guts to push the button when the time was right. The US strategy is clever and clear. Iran can’t survive as a country without oil export. After the destruction of the main military assets and military production capacity US will take the physical hold of the Iran main oil export terminals. About 90% are just on Kharg island and other 10% in some new port that is also not difficult to seize. Iran does not have capacity to defend Kharg and would not dare to bomb it as it is equivalent to seppuku that will destroy its oil export capacity forever. I don’t think US will seize the money from Iran’s oil, however. Money can be simply put in the US controlled escrow account and release to Iran if it behaves “properly”, i.e. stops nuclear and missile development.

 

[EagerBeaver]

There was as much hope of "fixing the Iran deal" as there would have been of "fixing" the infamous Munich agreement of 1938.

From that summary on the Munich Agreement:
"During negotiations for the Iran nuclear agreement [in 2015] mediated by Secretary of State John Kerry, Representative John Culberson, a Texas Republican Representative, tweeted the message "Worse than Munich." Kerry had himself invoked Munich in a speech in France advocating military action in Syria by saying, "This is our Munich moment." This supports the following assertion:

The operation has been in planning during several republican and democratic administrations.

This is also why Congress has chosen not to step on Trump's war powers in Iran, as they had already concluded enough was enough:

US Senate vote fails to rein in Trump war powers on Iran

The measure, passed largely along party lines, would halt US military action until approved by Congress.

www.bbc.com

In summary, most of us, apart from the usual posters who have medically untreated/unmedicated TDS, can fairly conclude that the Iran War is a predictable result of US foreign policy over the last 45 years, and this:

Trump just had the guts to push the button when the time was right.

 

[Smokemeal2]

To be clear, Iranian war is not entirely Trump’s war. Military does not work on election cycles. The operation has been in planning during several republican and democratic administrations. Trump just had the guts to push the button when the time was right. The US strategy is clever and clear. Iran can’t survive as a country without oil export. After the destruction of the main military assets and military production capacity US will take the physical hold of the Iran main oil export terminals. About 90% are just on Kharg island and other 10% in some new port that is also not difficult to seize. Iran does not have capacity to defend Kharg and would not dare to bomb it as it is equivalent to seppuku that will destroy its oil export capacity forever. I don’t think US will seize the money from Iran’s oil, however. Money can be simply put in the US controlled escrow account and release to Iran if it behaves “properly”, i.e. stops nuclear and missile development.

Strategy?? Its all about covering Trump's ass from the Epstein file.

The US will lose its rich Middle East allies as they are the ones being hit right now. Once Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, UAE lose their peace stamps they will turn quickly against Israel and the US.

And why the hell should money from Iran's oil be put under US control?? You are nuts dude.

Trump will diminish US power to a level it will never come back. Trump is a fraud, a lifelong fraud. Now on top of it he is full dementia.

 

[minutemenX]

Strategy?? Its all about covering Trump's ass from the Epstein file.

The US will lose its rich Middle East allies as they are the ones being hit right now. Once Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, UAE lose their peace stamps they will turn quickly against Israel and the US.

And why the hell should money from Iran's oil be put under US control?? You are nuts dude.

Trump will diminish US power to a level it will never come back. Trump is a fraud, a lifelong fraud. Now on top of it he is full dementia.

"In summary, most of us, apart from the usual posters who have medically untreated/unmedicated TDS, ..." by EB. You are a typical case of TDS if I corectly undrstand what it means

 

[CaptRenault]

The significance of Kharg Island:

Iran blocks technical staff from evacuating Kharg Island | The Jerusalem Post

Fires are still burning in parts of the island, with regime authorities insisting that operations at Iran's most critical oil export terminal must continue without interruption.

www.jpost.com

 

[Womaniser]

I didn't know they let girls go to school in Iran...Just kidding!

It probably was a Tomahawk that went awry, which is unfortunate but an inevitable kind of accident in any war. It doesn't bother me and I blame the Iranians for provoking Israel and the U.S. into a war. Also, the killing of "hundreds" is just Iranian propaganda. One missile might cause a dozen dead and wounded, if that. It took a whole bunch of missiles to kill only 40 mullahs and military leaders.

It's amazing how precise and relatively safe modern weapons are (well, U.S. and Israeli weapons anyway).

During the Allied bombing of German forces in France prior to the D Day landings, more than 20,000 French citizens died from Allied bombs. Nevertheless the French welcomed their liberators when they pushed the Germans out of Normandy. As (Civil War) Union General William Sherman said: "War is cruelty and you cannot refine it."

So yeah, even when the U.S. accidentally hit a girls' school with a Tomahawk, I still love to see them launched against the Mullahs and their supporters.

USA relied on at least ten years old info on that attack with a Tomahawk missile.

 

[Smokemeal2]

"In summary, most of us, apart from the usual posters who have medically untreated/unmedicated TDS, ..." by EB. You are a typical case of TDS if I corectly undrstand what it means

I prefer by far to have TDS. And that does not contradict my post, which is right.

Trump is a lifetime fraud. And now in full dementia (have you seen his posture).

Absolutely nothing good will come out of Trump.

 

[Smokemeal2]

"In summary, most of us, apart from the usual posters who have medically untreated/unmedicated TDS, ..." by EB. You are a typical case of TDS if I corectly undrstand what it means

Just by that, I now know EB is an American, and most probably you as well, right?

 

[Womaniser]

USA relied on at least ten years old info on that attack with a Tomahawk missile.

Trump is realizing that he has been played by ISRAEL in his war with Iran.
He can do nothing to reopen the Armouz straight and ask the help of allied and almost threathen them if they don't obey.
Does he remember that USA didn't help against Hitler attack until they were themselves attacked by Japan 2 YEARS later !