Okay, Lily. I really think that it would liven up the board a bit. Sometimes Merb goes days with nothing interesting happening on it, despite BookerL introducing some crazy new topic. I really don't think that it would descend into nothing but self-promotion because people are far too cynical to allow that to happen. I would love to hear more from the escort side & even though indies like you post every now and again, I wish that you would do it more often!
Unlimited Posting for Escorts?
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Okay, Lily. I really think that it would liven up the board a bit. Sometimes Merb goes days with nothing interesting happening on it, despite BookerL introducing some crazy new topic. I really don't think that it would descend into nothing but self-promotion because people are far too cynical to allow that to happen. I would love to hear more from the escort side & even though indies like you post every now and again, I wish that you would do it more often!
I said you didn't know what you are talking about and you don't. Knowing the history here is important and you don't know it. There isn't much more to say. It has nothing to do with subhumanism it is not knowing anything about the subject on which you are opining, which is very disrespectful to past Moderators who spent a lot of time dealing with this issue and also fighting with me on this issue.
Maybe one or more of the Moderators would like to chime in, then...?
Maybe one or more of the Moderators would like to chime in, then...?
The Moderator whose post I quoted earlier is no longer on duty. He left duty because of differences of opinion on the very subject you have started. He is chiefly responsible for all MERB jurisprudence on the subject. As I noted previously I fought with him on many of these rules at the time they were implemented.
The Moderator whose post I quoted earlier is no longer on duty. He left duty because of differences of opinion on the very subject you have started. He is chiefly responsible for all MERB jurisprudence on the subject. As I noted previously I fought with him on many of these rules at the time they were implemented.
Okay. I'm not sure that I understand why you're so vehemently defending these rules now if you fought against them so strenuously in the past.
Okay. I'm not sure that I understand why you're so vehemently defending these rules now if you fought against them so strenuously in the past.
I am not defending the rules but rather the enforcement of them, once they were enacted, with which I happened to agree with Mod 8. After the violators left MERB there was no need to enforce them.
I am not defending the rules but rather the enforcement of them, once they were enacted, with which I happened to agree with Mod 8. After the violators left MERB there was no need to enforce them.
It seems a little antispetic. I think what I'm saying is that I would rather see a wild free-for-all than a dull board. It's too bad I wasn't around for that old fight.
L
Lily from Montreal
Well ,me I am glad because I would write even less...I do not like confrontation and since in a board setting it is anonymous it gets very easily out of control...I see Merb lounge as my recreation ground from kindergarden,not the high school turf war...
When a thread does turn into a war (as this one is seemingly going to ) I just stop writing...
And just a thought here,you seems to think that agency girls are pinning to be able to write here? On what ground are you basing your suggestion? Indies like me have the time and ,some like me has the inclinaison, to chat and the mind setting to do her own talking, an agency girl angle (if you may ) is having someone else handle hers affairs,agencies already do that ...
When a thread does turn into a war (as this one is seemingly going to ) I just stop writing...
And just a thought here,you seems to think that agency girls are pinning to be able to write here? On what ground are you basing your suggestion? Indies like me have the time and ,some like me has the inclinaison, to chat and the mind setting to do her own talking, an agency girl angle (if you may ) is having someone else handle hers affairs,agencies already do that ...
It has always been the rule that agencies are paying for the advertising and they are the voice that gets to respond on bad reviews etc.
It happened a few years ago that an agency SP from Eleganza responded rather harshly to a negative review, which was the first she had after a number of positive reviews. In her harsh response, she made strong personal criticism of the reviewer, mostly having to do with his hygiene and appearance. Her posts were caustic and sarcastic, but also informational. The reviewer replied, and there was an exchange. The Mods later deleted all of the posts, an action which I was extremely critical of. The Mods defended, saying to allow such posts would chill reviews from being posted, as posters would fear retaliatory posts from negative reviews. I countered that if reviewers reacted that way, they were pussies, and we didn't need to read the reviews of pussies anyway. I also argued that what that lady had posted was information hobbyists could use as to the SP's preferences in matters of personal appearance and hygiene. The Mods allowed my criticism, and retorted that if this were allowed to happen, review threads would become free for alls and they would be moderating them 24/7/365. Rule was subsequently enacted precluding agency SP response in review thread, but allowing agency operator to respond. This issue has been hashed and rehashed since then, and the Moderator position has prevailed. In retrospect what it boils down to is there would be free for alls and there probably is not enough time in the day for the current Mods to moderate them all. They are not paid for your entertainment. Or for anything else they do.
Agency SPs DO post, however. Aspen has posted for a long time and has been the single most important SP contributor in the Montreal restaurant thread, and has also posted informatively elsewhere. I have met Aspen a few times in person and she is an extremely classy person with a rich knowledge of restaurants in Montreal.
It happened a few years ago that an agency SP from Eleganza responded rather harshly to a negative review, which was the first she had after a number of positive reviews. In her harsh response, she made strong personal criticism of the reviewer, mostly having to do with his hygiene and appearance. Her posts were caustic and sarcastic, but also informational. The reviewer replied, and there was an exchange. The Mods later deleted all of the posts, an action which I was extremely critical of. The Mods defended, saying to allow such posts would chill reviews from being posted, as posters would fear retaliatory posts from negative reviews. I countered that if reviewers reacted that way, they were pussies, and we didn't need to read the reviews of pussies anyway. I also argued that what that lady had posted was information hobbyists could use as to the SP's preferences in matters of personal appearance and hygiene. The Mods allowed my criticism, and retorted that if this were allowed to happen, review threads would become free for alls and they would be moderating them 24/7/365. Rule was subsequently enacted precluding agency SP response in review thread, but allowing agency operator to respond. This issue has been hashed and rehashed since then, and the Moderator position has prevailed. In retrospect what it boils down to is there would be free for alls and there probably is not enough time in the day for the current Mods to moderate them all. They are not paid for your entertainment. Or for anything else they do.
Agency SPs DO post, however. Aspen has posted for a long time and has been the single most important SP contributor in the Montreal restaurant thread, and has also posted informatively elsewhere. I have met Aspen a few times in person and she is an extremely classy person with a rich knowledge of restaurants in Montreal.
Well ,me I am glad because I would write even less...I do not like confrontation and since in a board setting it is anonymous it gets very easily out of control...I see Merb lounge as my recreation ground from kindergarden,not the high school turf war...
When a thread does turn into a war (as this one is seemingly going to ) I just stop writing...
And just a thought here,you seems to think that agency girls are pinning to be able to write here? On what ground are you basing your suggestion? Indies like me have the time and ,some like me has the inclinaison, to chat and the mind setting to do her own talking, an agency girl angle (if you may ) is having someone else handle hers affairs,agencies already do that ...
I certainly don't want to turn this into a war. I've seen discussions that descend into childishness & don't want to see that happen. As far as what I've based my suggestion on, I've based it on the fact that no agency girls ever post here (except Aspen, as EB has pointed out.) I didn't mean to suggest that all girls who work for agencies are dying to post on Merb, but I'm sure some of them want to and feel restrained. Different people have different personalities. I didn't take a poll of all escorts in Montreal. I'm just basing this on the numbers. It's simply not possible that 100% of all agency escorts in Montreal don't want to post on the board.
The Mods allowed my criticism, and retorted that if this were allowed to happen, review threads would become free for alls and they would be moderating them 24/7/365.
I think of everyone that uses the board as a mini-Mod. There's no reason why this can't be mostly self-regulating. I would rather see the wild west than today's reality, which is, when you go to the board, page one has posts back to three days ago. On Terb, page one has posts back to three hours ago. Something is wrong here.
Comparing MERB and TERB is another inappropriate comparison. TERB has ALWAYS had far more traffic than MERB. There is more money and more SPs in Toronto which is the financial capital of Canada. TERB AND MERB are both owned and operated and run from the same office in Toronto by the same guy who is using the SAME rules on both boards (I think the servers were moved overseas however). The TER comparison doesnt work and the TERB comparison doesn't work.
Comparing MERB and TERB is another inappropriate comparison. TERB has ALWAYS had far more traffic than MERB. There is more money and more SPs in Toronto which is the financial capital of Canada. TERB AND MERB are both owned and operated and run from the same office in Toronto by the same guy who is using the SAME rules on both boards (I think the servers were moved overseas however). The TER comparison doesnt work and the TERB comparison doesn't work.
Why do you have to always be so contrary? I think some people are afraid of being attacked if they make some kind of out of the ordinary suggestion. I know that Merb has 1/2 as many users as Terb. I can see it right there when I get to the web site. This doesn't mean that they should have 1/5 as many posts. I think 66,000 people can come up with some topics, for crying out loud. Why is everyone so afraid to post here?
Hi EB and allComparing MERB and TERB is another inappropriate comparison. TERB has ALWAYS had far more traffic than MERB. There is more money and more SPs in Toronto which is the financial capital of Canada. TERB AND MERB are both owned and operated and run from the same office in Toronto by the same guy who is using the SAME rules on both boards (I think the servers were moved overseas however). The TER comparison doesnt work and the TERB comparison doesn't work.
The negative factors where fully discussed ,
Would you have any suggestion to improve animation ?
That would not create a free for all and be a 24/7/365 Mod nightmare ?
You do have a vast experience of Forums and more after all ,its a reality that I do respect
Cheers
Booker
Why is everyone so afraid to post here?
It has nothing to do with fear. Montreal is a smaller market than Toronto. I am not being contrary, just posting relevant facts of which you don't seem to be aware. Nothing has changed as far as TERB or MERB and the traffic on these boards. Fred has even commented on it more than a few times. And your TER comparison was off base. The only valid comparison is TBD as I previously explained. It was a free membership board that had a board for Montreal. Before MERB it was TBD and Canbest, which I forgot about, which were the only free membership boards. Both went down the toilet due to a complete lack of moderation. That is the history that is applicable.
The negative factors where fully discussed ,
Would you have any suggestion to improve animation ?
That would not create a free for all and be a 24/7/365 Mod nightmare ?
You do have a vast experience of Forums and more after all ,its a reality that I do respect
I made a lot of suggestions, and they were generally rejected for reasons I already discussed. I kind of think, after the years I have been on the board, that there was more merit to the Moderator position than I initially believed.
Lily mentioned previously that a lot of agency SPs have no interest in posting and that is not anything any of us can change. The biggest factor in chilling agency SP participation IMHO is negative reviews. You cannot take those away, however. I don't post them, but others have lobbied hard for the right to post them. I think that is the single biggest chill in SP participation. It creates an adversarial perception. I have gotten a lot of feedback from agency SPs and many of them "hate" MERB because they feel the reviews posted on them are patently unfair.
It has nothing to do with fear.
Okay. I just wanted to point this out, though: you really do attack people. You do!
Why was my TER comparison off-base, though. You didn't explain that. Is it because TER isn't free? I can't even remember what I pay to be a member of TER. What's the difference if it's for-pay or free? I'm not exactly going into the poor house because I'm paying for TER. They don't charge that much. How does this affect the freedom of the escorts?
Gurgeh85,
This discussion is going in circles. I did not attack you I said your TER comparison was off base. It is off base for one reason and one reason alone, you pay to read reviews. I have been a paying TER member and all I ever read is reviews. I never read a single SP post there in 13 years. I am guessing the majority pay for the same things I pay for as far as TER. When I come to MERB it is not necessarily to read the reviews and it also doesn't cost me anything although I am a supporting member and donated. And based on being a supporting member I can state my opinion on the subject and my opinion is that the TER comparison is way off base, and the only valid comparisons are TBD and Canbest which both went out of business fairly rapidly after adopting your business model. And for the reasons/concerns Lily also stated if your approach were followed. It would have the opposite effect of driving SPs (and hobbyists) away if it was an unregulated free for all. There is no free for all on TER, there is a review database and that is what I pay for, everything else there is not relevant to me.
This discussion is going in circles. I did not attack you I said your TER comparison was off base. It is off base for one reason and one reason alone, you pay to read reviews. I have been a paying TER member and all I ever read is reviews. I never read a single SP post there in 13 years. I am guessing the majority pay for the same things I pay for as far as TER. When I come to MERB it is not necessarily to read the reviews and it also doesn't cost me anything although I am a supporting member and donated. And based on being a supporting member I can state my opinion on the subject and my opinion is that the TER comparison is way off base, and the only valid comparisons are TBD and Canbest which both went out of business fairly rapidly after adopting your business model. And for the reasons/concerns Lily also stated if your approach were followed. It would have the opposite effect of driving SPs (and hobbyists) away if it was an unregulated free for all. There is no free for all on TER, there is a review database and that is what I pay for, everything else there is not relevant to me.
Gurgeh85,
There is no free for all on TER, there is a review database and that is what I pay for, everything else there is not relevant to me.
P.S., there IS a free for all on TER. Just because you care to ignore it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Gentlemen,
Ahhhhhhhh reviews. If reviews are the purpose of a board then why have some run up extreme post counts while seeming to purposely swear off their share of reviews? Well, we know why. This board will say healthy if members who have had meeting opportunities provided a fair due proportion of what the board is designed for. You can't call something BS while being poorly remiss in making contributions, as many have been, while still benefiting from what other members have contributed.
So you have passed up the primary source of seeing just who we are dealing with. Having seen what some ladies write on this board they have helped with some very successful decisions.
You make it sound like a swamp of corruption, but your exaggeration for effect.
Exactly! You can get to know a lot more about a lady who is posting, and a lot more about how things are done if they can post freely without breaking the advertising rules. My 7-years with one of the best escorts ever began because she was putting out opinions freely on a board, hwich continued on this one. I got to know about who she is and things went on from there until it became something very special.
The only way one could really say Iggy isn't directly linked is it's not specifically official with the agency, but who doesn't link him with one, and it sure is about promotion, so how can EB or anyone claim that has not been going on.I'm not objecting, that's just how it is. From how long this has been happening we can see the mods are fine with it and so is Fred, and so it would be fair for all other agencies to take that cue and use it in like manner within the same limits.
Yes, it has been going on for a long time and it's perplexing how such a senior 10,500-post member somehow seems to think it hasn't. Several intelligent ladies have become well know and more respected and admired for their frequent contributions on many opinions and that has given more life to this board. I believe what gurgeh is trying to do is highlight those contributions with the hope of encouraging more ladies to do the same and add to the life of this board. How is anyone against that???
We, the open-minded, applaud BookerL for trying to bring a large shot of energy to this board, and now I and hopefully others applaud gurgeh for trying to encourage more participation.
I'd say that stopping anonymous intimidation is part of what this thread is about, making it clear that you and others like you have the same rights and know you are welcome without having to go through anything that makes you feel unwelcome.
Cheers,
Merlot
...TER is funded by dues paying members who are paying not to read any of the BS you are referring to but rather the reviews.
Ahhhhhhhh reviews. If reviews are the purpose of a board then why have some run up extreme post counts while seeming to purposely swear off their share of reviews? Well, we know why. This board will say healthy if members who have had meeting opportunities provided a fair due proportion of what the board is designed for. You can't call something BS while being poorly remiss in making contributions, as many have been, while still benefiting from what other members have contributed.
I have been a paying and review posting member on TER on and off for almost 13 years and never read a single SP post.
So you have passed up the primary source of seeing just who we are dealing with. Having seen what some ladies write on this board they have helped with some very successful decisions.
In the past which you were not here for, allowing this type of posting led directly to a lot of problems due to widespread abuse and self posting.
You make it sound like a swamp of corruption, but your exaggeration for effect.
Seriously Laila Mccole/Plaisir Rebels ain't advertising on merb and still i have the feeling to know her/her agency better than some of the ones advertising.... :lol: She never put a direct link, or never pushy push the name of her agency, but she talked so much about how she runs thing, what happen there, and so on, and yet Mods never warned her(i hope i not gonna be the killswtich, remember this is NOT a complaint, this is just realizing)
Exactly! You can get to know a lot more about a lady who is posting, and a lot more about how things are done if they can post freely without breaking the advertising rules. My 7-years with one of the best escorts ever began because she was putting out opinions freely on a board, hwich continued on this one. I got to know about who she is and things went on from there until it became something very special.
I see many other indies posting, i see sometimes agencies... Hell MTL GFE was able to create the Halloween Party thread and post in it... so is Iggy for GG despite not being directly link at the agency, thats still a "promotional event"
So yeah our advertisers can participate in the lounge, and thats all damn fine, and i wish they can keep doing so, sometimes its really helpfull, sometimes its just fun to chat with them. I like to able to interact with the girls socially, as much at paries as on the board. But i would not like over-advertisement like anybody, and i think Mods can make sure this does not happen.
The only way one could really say Iggy isn't directly linked is it's not specifically official with the agency, but who doesn't link him with one, and it sure is about promotion, so how can EB or anyone claim that has not been going on.I'm not objecting, that's just how it is. From how long this has been happening we can see the mods are fine with it and so is Fred, and so it would be fair for all other agencies to take that cue and use it in like manner within the same limits.
I'm with Mike on this one. As far as I know the escorts and agencies are free to participate in Lounge posts as long as they're not promoting themselves. They are however free to express their personalities, senses of humour etc etc
Has this changed in the last day or so?
Yes, it has been going on for a long time and it's perplexing how such a senior 10,500-post member somehow seems to think it hasn't. Several intelligent ladies have become well know and more respected and admired for their frequent contributions on many opinions and that has given more life to this board. I believe what gurgeh is trying to do is highlight those contributions with the hope of encouraging more ladies to do the same and add to the life of this board. How is anyone against that???
We, the open-minded, applaud BookerL for trying to bring a large shot of energy to this board, and now I and hopefully others applaud gurgeh for trying to encourage more participation.
Well ,me I am glad because I would write even less...I do not like confrontation and since in a board setting it is anonymous it gets very easily out of control...
I'd say that stopping anonymous intimidation is part of what this thread is about, making it clear that you and others like you have the same rights and know you are welcome without having to go through anything that makes you feel unwelcome.
Cheers,
Merlot
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