Weapons in USA

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Let's come back to facts. In the last 6 months, 316 mass shootings (4 people and more injured or killed, excluding the shooter).
In the link provided, you get all the details,

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org

 

[Carmine Falcone]

I came back to the thread to talk about Monday's shooting only to find out I've been missing some truly amazing doozies like when CLOUD500 said being searched for weapons before entering a Detroit club is a tactic from Communist so and so place.

As apocryphal as your suggestion is, Cloud, being searched for guns is exactly what you get for living in a country where the solution to every gun tragedy and conflict resolution for most people is the same thing: guns. I was dragged to a megachurch by a friend that was in town in June. The first thing we did before entering service area was pass through metal detectors. I also went to a concert last month. Before I entered the venue, I first had to empty my pockets and pass through a metal detector. Searching people for weapons before entering large public spaces isn't some braindead attempt to "take the guns away." It's exactly the same security measure you encounter at the airport. Several courthouses have metal detectors before entering.

We live in a society where we can be shot at anytime, so making people pass through metal detectors in unassuming places like church and concert venues is a security measure to keep respective churchgoers and concert attendees safe. That's the same reason why you get searched for guns in Detroit or even some strip clubs around here.

Now, regarding Monday's shooting what are the people that routinely blame mental illness saying about the ease of getting a gun in the US? The idiot that took 7 lives and turned one toddler into an orphan attempted suicide in 2019. He later threatened to kill every family member later that year. Despite his suicide attempt being treated as a mental health emergency and police being called to both events, neither incident barred him on any database from buying five guns.

Other countries also have mentally ill people. But if you're mentally ill and want to shoot people, there's no industrialized country that makes it easier to do than the US.

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
What you suggest is paradoxical, if civilians cannot be trusted with guns what makes you think the government can be. What happened in Uvalde justifies citizens being armed. To put your life in the faith of police means you do not value your own life much or are seriously misguided about guns. People kill people, not guns. A gun is merely a tool like any other. A hundred years ago gun laws were not much lax but mass shootings were unheard off, so what changed? Explain this I bet you cannot. There is something else going on and it is not about guns. Progressives are just politically hijacking this to push their own agenda. Many other countries also protect the right to bear arms, so where are the mass shootings in those countries? I also bet you cannot answer this one. And one last thing, you also are misguided in thinking if more strict gun laws will do anything because it will not. Criminals do not follow the law, whenever there is prohibition the black market will fulfill those needs. And if you think mentally ill people will not be able to get a hold of guns, I suggest you think long and hard about that one because otherwise prohibition would have stopped all those regular people from getting heroin and fentanyl. The USA is one of the most Capitalistic countries in the world where the mighty dollar drives everything, a black market will always fulfill the needs where there is prohibition, I guarantee it.

 

[gallantca]

Many other countries also protect the right to bear arms, so where are the mass shootings in those countries? I also bet you cannot answer this one.

Name a modern society that allows an 18 year old to buy an AR15 without restrictions. I bet you cannot answer this one.

 

[sene5hos]

Name a modern society that allows an 18 year old to buy an AR15 without restrictions. I bet you cannot answer this one.

You said what I meant.
Thank you.

 

[gallantca]

You said what I meant.
Thank you.

I guess I won my bet. Lots of big statements but he is unable to back them up.

 

[sene5hos]

Update at High land Park:
7 dead and 35 injured.

He fired 70 times.
His father gave him weapons.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I guess I won my bet. Lots of big statements but he is unable to back them up. But he is good with the HAHA emoji, so there is that.

Your post does not deserve a response. I am still awaiting on Carmine Falcone's response. Do keep posting irrelevant posts, none of which will get a response. Perhaps you can answer to my original query I asked Carmine. I want facts, not more ideology. Time to back your big statements.

 

[Jacob91]

The high land park shooter had mass shooter written all over him.
And yet he obtained his weapons soooo easily. This is the problem in the US, its too easy to obtain them.
In virtually every other country in the world, there are licensing requirements, strict background checks etc needed to obtain a gun.
The US is one of only 2 countries in the world where this is not the case, hence why they have the highest numbers of mass shootings globally. This is the one denominator that separates the US.
Mental illness? Social media? Depression? These are all things that every other country has. So those cant be the primary factors for these mass shootings which seem to have become completely normal now in the US.

 

[gallantca]

Your post is nonsensical, it does not deserve a response. I am still waiting on Carmine Falcone's response.

Nonsensical ? You said "Many other countries also protect the right to bear arms".

I challenged you to name one that allows to purchase AR15s unrestricted like the US does. All I am asking is for you to back the "facts" you post. I ask you back them up with facts from the real world, not some imaginary world run by the UN and communists. I know that makes it hard.

You ask Carmine to "show mass shooting in other countries that protect the right to bear arms" but you can't name one of those countries. And i'm asking nonsensical questions ?

 

[CLOUD 500]

Nonsensical ? You said "Many other countries also protect the right to bear arms".

I challenged you to name one that allows to purchase AR15s unrestricted like the US does. All I am asking is for you to back "facts" you post.

You never bother to read and comprehend do you? Always based on emotion. The right to bear arms does not mean to carry an assault rifle, it means to have the right to carry at least a handgun for personal defense (in other words any semi-automatic handgun which means one shot at a time or a pump action or bolt action rifle/shotgun). In Canada even using pepper spray is illegal. I never promoted assault rifles, you twisted what I wrote and this is the second time you do that! To sum things up when I say the right to bear arms, it means to have the right to possess a handgun for personal defense, a rifle for hunting, etc.. The way I see it no one needs any kind of automatic weapons for personal defense. These are not for self-defense, they are designed for the sole purpose to kill many quickly.

Debate what I asked with FACTS! I ask you too, a 100 years ago US gun laws were far more lax, where were the mass shootings back then? What has changed between now and then? Btw Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the US yet the psycho got an assault rifle attacking unarmed ppl that had no defense. Stop blaming guns, the psycho is to be blamed. He wanted to kill, if it was not an assault rifle he would have used something else. The facts point to some other issue going on in American society. Tackle the underlying issue instead of politically hijacking it.

 

[gallantca]

You never bother to read and comprehend do you? Always based on emotion. The right to bear arms does not mean to carry an assault rifle, it means to have the right to carry at least a handgun for personal defense. In Canada even using pepper spray is illegal. I never promoted assault rifles, you twisted what I wrote and this is the second time you do that. Debate what I asked with FACTS! I ask you too, a 100 years ago US gun laws were far more lax, where were the mass shootings back then? What has changed between now and then? Btw Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the US yet the psycho got an assault rifle attacking unarmed ppl that had no defense. Stop blaming guns, the psycho is to be blamed. He wanted to kill, if it was not an assault rifle he would have used something else. The facts point to some other issue going on in American society. Tackle the underlying issue instead of politically hijacking it.

NO, you specifically said

"Many other countries also protect the right to bear arms, so where are the mass shootings in those countries?"

those are your words

I simply asked you to name one. Can I make the question simpler ?


And BTW, if and when you name one, look at what restrictions that country places on weapons and maybe you'll understand why they have so fewer mass shootings.

 

[sene5hos]

Stop blaming guns, the psycho is to be blamed.

If an individual has a mental illness, depression, with a toy gun instead of an AR15, are there going to be deaths?

 

[CLOUD 500]

NO, you specifically said

"Many other countries also protect the right to bear arms, so where are the mass shootings in those countries?"

those are your words

I simply asked you to name one. Can I make the question simpler ?


And BTW, if and when you name one, look at what restrictions that country places on weapons and maybe you'll understand why they have so fewer mass shootings.

I posted this some time ago. I will not do the research for you. Look it up yourself. Like I said several countries protect the right to bear arms. Some countries on this list surprised me.

Right to keep and bear arms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yemen actually has more mass shootings then the US per capita. Difference? Is the media is talking about the US and sensationalizing it.

 

[CLOUD 500]

If an individual has a mental illness, depression, with a toy gun instead of an AR15, are there going to be deaths?

The psycho will rent a van and ram as many people as he can like the incel did in Toronto. If someone wants to kill they will find a way. Your point is mute.

Also this statement is nonsensical, a psycho will not use a toy gun.

 

[CLOUD 500]

And BTW, if and when you name one, look at what restrictions that country places on weapons and maybe you'll understand why they have so fewer mass shootings.

Even if you ban guns, it will fail. That is the point. All you do is punish law abiding gun owners. When will people learn that prohibition is a big fail. See how well Prohibition Era worked in the 1920s. Did the war on drugs work? Those who want it can get heroin and cocaine easily. So banning guns will drive it all underground to the black market. The way the US is so Capitalistic, the Black market will thrive. Being a psycho does not mean stupid, he can be resourceful to get the gun illegally.

 

[gallantca]

I posted this some time ago. I will not do the research for you.

just type me 3 or 4 civilized countries that don't have gun restrictions.

It is restrictions you're against, right ? We should be able to carry automatic weapons to defend ourselves, right ?

You will find that even countries that allow to own a weapon have restrictions that reduce (not eliminate) the probability the weapon will be used to kill innocent people. The US could learn from these countries if they get their head out of their

 

[Jacob91]

I posted this some time ago. I will not do the research for you. Look it up yourself. Like I said several countries protect the right to bear arms. Some countries on this list surprised me.

Right to keep and bear arms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yemen actually has more mass shootings then the US per capita. Difference? Is the media is talking about the US and sensationalizing it.

Cloud,
Yemen is a bad example, as they are one of the few countries that allow unrestricted access to guns, like the US, in fact they are the second most heavily armed country after the US! Thats y they have many mass shootings.
Most other countries with guns and "allow the right to bear arms" have sensible laws like licensing requirements.
Will it completely 100% eliminate mass shootings? Of course not, thats a strawman.
But you can bet itll at least make it harder for the crazies to obtain guns, while allow normal citizens to bear arms, and lower the number of gun deaths.

 

[sene5hos]

So banning guns will drive it all underground to the black market.

So there is nothing to do.

We just have to watch the innocent die or suffer in the United States.

I modify the quote: kill each other.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Cloud,
Yemen is a bad example, as they are one of the few countries that allow unrestricted access to guns, like the US, in fact they are the second most heavily armed country after the US! Thats y they have many mass shootings.
Most other countries with guns and "allow the right to bear arms" have sensible laws like licensing requirements.
Will it completely 100% eliminate mass shootings? Of course not, thats a strawman.
But you can bet itll at least make it harder for the crazies to obtain guns, while allow normal citizens to bear arms, and lower the number of gun deaths.

I am all for licensing requirements and background checks. Why I mention Yemen is because the point is that the problem is more deeply routed in society of that country. But you see how the media never talk about Yemen. Your last sentence is golden and it exactly what I am talking about. But some hardcore Liberals got very emotional and try to taunt and provoke me because it is the complete opposite of their political beliefs. I always base on facts, not emotions.